Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Adam Michaels]

A CBJ fans on the main board propose Eric Robinson vs Joël Armia

Am I the only one who would make that deal ?

If no salary retained yes.

3 years of Armia @ 3.4M
2 years of Robinson @ 1.6M

You save 1.8M for 2 years and get all of Amia's 3.4M off the books on year 3.

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

A CBJ fans on the main board propose Eric Robinson vs Joël Armia

Am I the only one who would make that deal ?

Call league office before he changes his mind

 

[HuGort]

Since he's here, each offseason where hopping that Drouin will pick it up and it doesn't happen. At this point, going to Arizona is probably the best thing that could happen for Drouin himself.

If he trades Drouin to free up caproom we definitely competing next year. Won't be in the Bedard sweepstakes

I'm not saying Montreal can develop players better now with a new front office, I'm saying they'll need to be, since there is no alternative.

I want Montreal win a cup in my lifetime. I don't care if they're ass for a decade, I want to witness them winning a cup. It is basically impossible to that without elite players and the vast majority of elite players are obtained through the draft. Montreal simply doesn't have the cap space to acquire them elsewhere either.

We also don't know what Suzuki and Caufield will be. Like many other Habs prospects, they stagnated this year. Hopefully the jump under MSL isn't an abberation. Romanov has stagnated. We don't know if Wright will even be 1st line/1b center. Or if they pick someone else, they'll hit either. They have no D prospects that project as a #1 D and Guhle is probably the only one that may be a #2 D. So the fix is taking Montreal's non existant cap space and using it on a winger that had a career year, throwing in a top prospect and pick that is likely going to be top 10 or better.

Arguing that the only proven sustainable way to build a contender is in fact not sustainable makes no god damn sense. You just don't want to risk a chance at being the 15/16th best team in the NHL.

I also don't know what you're talking about "this god awful development regime we’ve had for the last 30 years", Montreal was one of the best draft and develop teams in the NHL for most of the Gainey era. They just never had the premium picks or excess picks except for 2007, which is arguably the best draft classes of any team in the cap era.

I imagine last spring closest you'll be getting to a Cup. Hard to do.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Suzuki and Caufield?

Weber.

 

[FF de Mars]

Call league office before he changes his mind

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If no salary retained yes.

3 years of Armia @ 3.4M
2 years of Robinson @ 1.6M

You save 1.8M for 2 years and get all of Amia's 3.4M off the books on year 3.

Armia's heroics at the World Championship raised his value. Good news.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I could not care less what's best for Drouin the hockey player's career. What matter is what is best for the Habs at this point.

Is it worth dumping Drouin's contract along Weber's for a (possibly meagre) return or holding onto Drouin and hoping you can generate more at the deadline? What about Byron?

I would just hang on to Drouin for now. Ride out the final year of the contract for now, as there will be little or no asset return for him this offseason. He's coming off wrist surgery, so no team is giving up anything for him until he can demonstrate the injury doesn't affect him any longer.

If he shows something during the season, he may get a minor return at the TDL. If not, he's gone at the end of the season anyway.

 

[Vachon23]

If no salary retained yes.

3 years of Armia @ 3.4M
2 years of Robinson @ 1.6M

You save 1.8M for 2 years and get all of Amia's 3.4M off the books on year 3.

Call league office before he changes his mind

And Robinson is a really good skater heavy on the forecheck and can play on PK (what we don’t have a ton)

I think Robinson fit more our new identity that the new management want to bring and we save 1.8m and 1 yrs. I think it would be a good trade

 

[jrom]

If he trades Drouin to free up caproom we definitely competing next year. Won't be in the Bedard sweepstakes

We are not competing or tanking next year, we’re focusing on developing our young players.

That should mean enough defeats to be lottery eligible but the goal is not to finish last (it’s just the likely outcome of focusing on player dev).

 

[ArtPeur]

Weber.

Too old. OP was talking about players in their twenties too. Imo, a core player is a guy that will play for roughly 10 years for the organization. You build the team around them. Weber came in later in his career and, even then, we knew he wouldn't last his whole contract. We also traded a core player to get him.

 

[BLONG7]

We are not competing or tanking next year, we’re focusing on developing our young players.

That should mean enough defeats to be lottery eligible but the goal is not to finish last (it’s just the likely outcome of focusing on player dev).

Drouin LTIR it's that simple.

 

[DAChampion]

Drouin LTIR it's that simple.

Can they really have three major contracts on LTIR?

 

[BLONG7]

Can they really have three major contracts on LTIR?

If they can't play, I would think so..................

 

[Destopcorner]

No doubt Drouin and Weber are great contracts for Arizona. Especially if they think Drouin can return something at the dealine. Imo Hugo is looking to make a bigget deal here. Adding Mailloux amd Calgary's 1st to the mix should get the conversation going for Crouse and/or Chychrun.

What kind of value would Arizona look for here?

 

[Sebastien]

No doubt Drouin and Weber are great contracts for Arizona. Especially if they think Drouin can return something at the dealine. Imo Hugo is looking to make a bigget deal here. Adding Mailloux amd Calgary's 1st to the mix should get the conversation going for Crouse and/or Chychrun.

What kind of value would Arizona look for here?

Arizona wouldn't want mailloux after the fallout of Miller with them. Allt teams wouldn't want mailboxes. Crouse get a 1st and b prospect easily or more. Chychrun gets two 1st round picks and top prospect easily. So drouin and Weber are seen as negative and Arizona wouldn't waste either player value to take on bad contract, contracts

 

[Mister Hab]

Not sure if this is the right place for this??

But...Filip Johansson (Rightie D-man) a former 1st round pick was not signed by Minn. He's available. Do any of you know anything about Filip? Should Habs sign him? More UPside than our Norlinder? (Or, not?).

Wild leave 2018 first-round pick Filip Johansson unsigned

www.msn.com

 

[HuGort]

We are not competing or tanking next year, we’re focusing on developing our young players.

That should mean enough defeats to be lottery eligible but the goal is not to finish last (it’s just the likely outcome of focusing on player dev).

Habs going to have to give up a solid asset to move Drouin. Likely Flames first or Panthers first. Leafs gave up a late first to Canes to move Marleau. Without giving Drouin a chance under St.Louis. Habs want that cap space bad. Hughes going to sign a top player or take one in trade. He's not just developing player paying a first. Makes no sense otherwise for him to throw a first away

 

[TannedBum]

And Robinson is a really good skater heavy on the forecheck and can play on PK (what we don’t have a ton)

I think Robinson fit more our new identity that the new management want to bring and we save 1.8m and 1 yrs. I think it would be a good trade

Armia is one of the most effective players in the league when it comes to forecheck, retrieving pucks and PK. This team is going nowhere for the next few years and you want to save 1.8M for a hilariously lesser player ?

What's the "new identity" ? To acquire a culture of losing from Columbus as much as possible ? Yup, Anderson also sucks big time in important games.

 

[ReHabs]

Weber.

Bergevin replaced one core player for another. That's not adding, that's swapping.

 

[BLONG7]

Bergevin replaced one core player for another. That's not adding, that's swapping.

He absolutely loved............swapping! It was the fanboys mantra, Bergy wins all his trades!! LOL

 

[Habs Halifax]

Can they really have three major contracts on LTIR?

3 LTIR contracts is the max I believe.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Bergevin replaced one core player for another. That's not adding, that's swapping.

...and he swapped a core piece in Pacioretty for Suzuki, too. No one's complaining about that one.

 

[Whalers Fan]

No doubt Drouin and Weber are great contracts for Arizona. Especially if they think Drouin can return something at the dealine. Imo Hugo is looking to make a bigget deal here. Adding Mailloux amd Calgary's 1st to the mix should get the conversation going for Crouse and/or Chychrun.

What kind of value would Arizona look for here?

While Weber is a great contract for Arizona, Drouin comes at a greater risk. There is no guarantee he will return as a useful player after his wrist surgery -- the guy hasn't played much in the past two seasons due to injury & personal issues. There is a good chance he will be worthless at the TDL. I cannot see the Yotes giving up anything significant for Drouin.

Weber, on the other hand, gives them a lot of cap money to reach the cap floor without paying out much real money for the next four seasons.

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

Drouin LTIR it's that simple.

Can they really have three major contracts on LTIR?

Drouin is healthy, he said it and repeated it, he will be there for start of season
Unless a new injury, odds that he will play
Let's just hope he manages to have positive value by TDL

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Armia is one of the most effective players in the league when it comes to forecheck, retrieving pucks and PK. This team is going nowhere for the next few years and you want to save 1.8M for a hilariously lesser player ?

What's the "new identity" ? To acquire a culture of losing from Columbus as much as possible ? Yup, Anderson also sucks big time in important games.

Robinson had 27 points last year, which is 1 less than Armia has the last 2 seasons combined.

The benefit of that proposed trade would be more to clear cap space in year 3, when hopefully the team will be more competitive and battling for a playoff spot.

 

[CHfan1]

3 LTIR contracts is the max I believe.

From the CBA:

No Club shall be limited in the number of times it may invoke the Bona- Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception in any League Year, provided that the Exception is at all times invoked in full compliance with this Section 50.10(d).