Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Kudo Shinichi]

No, I wouldn't. Not this year.

I want a high draft pick in 2023. This is crucial to avoid the same fate we've had since the f***ing mid-1990s.

I'm in my late-30s, I've HAD IT with the bullshit that "You can't lose in Montreal". f*** whoever says that shit. We've been losing for 29 years so clearly, it's not true.

Enough with this shit.

We don't need to get Dubois this year. We could get him next summer or in 2 years as a free agent.

 

[BenchBrawl]

We don't need to get Dubois this year. We could get him next summer or in 2 years as a free agent.

Sure, then that's fine.

 

[CaptainKirk]

Suzuki, PLD and Wright as top 3 centers would leave us weak in other areas.

I think the decision needs to be made now.

The NHL should really come up with a system where teams can exchange players between other teams to swap abundance with weakness. Although maybe not in the playoffs. You could have a deadline near the end of the season to stop this from happening. Some sort of Swap Cutoff.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Definitely not the most used way to acquire an asset. Bergevin bungled the Aho offer sheet and got rewarded by getting rid of KK for it. I'm just looking at Colorado having Makar and Girard both signed long term and I'm wondering if there is an opportunity to poach him, especially when MacKinnon is due up next summer. And with free agency coming after the draft, we would have our 23 1st rd pick secured so there would be no risk to losing a Bedard etc.

They'll trade Girard. They don't need him.

 

[OldCraig71]

We don't need to get Dubois this year. We could get him next summer or in 2 years as a free agent.

I think that it would be wise to stay away from a guy about to move on from his second NHL team because he doesn't want to be there, it would be tougher here. Red flag for me, we don't need more drama, especially with a young roster trying to find it's way.

 

[26Mats]

They'll trade Girard. They don't need him.

Avs fans seem to be against it. From the outside, it seems they should prioritize a top 4 of Makar, Toews, Byram, and Manson. And Girard should be moved to have enough cap room to keep a good forward corps.

But Avs fans, and Sakic, seem attached to Girard. When the cap crunch happens this summer, maybe things will change...

 

[Darkstorm]

It might not be via trade, but I’d like to see the Habs sign Deslauriers, we need someone like him to protect our youth

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

The issue I have with waiting 2 years for PLD is this #1 overall pick should not be a center then but a winger or defenseman to help round out the group.

You either trade for PLD around Calgary’s pick + and draft Slaf, or draft Wright and forget about PLD.

Suzuki, PLD and Wright as top 3 centers would leave us weak in other areas.

I think the decision needs to be made now.

Unless there is appetite to be able to shift Suzuki to the wing but then let’s go for Bedard next year

PLD is better on the wing imo

 

[hvac412]

It might not be via trade, but I’d like to see the Habs sign Deslauriers, we need someone like him to protect our youth

Never understood why they got rid of him, I'm guessing Julien didn't like him.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

It might not be via trade, but I’d like to see the Habs sign Deslauriers, we need someone like him to protect our youth

No thanks. Unless that player is playing on the same line as our youth, it won't make much of a difference.

 

[Deebs]

It might not be via trade, but I’d like to see the Habs sign Deslauriers, we need someone like him to protect our youth

Him and Pez on the 4th line would be fun to watch. I'd welcome him back

 

[jrom]

The NHL should really come up with a system where teams can exchange players between other teams to swap abundance with weakness. Although maybe not in the playoffs. You could have a deadline near the end of the season to stop this from happening. Some sort of Swap Cutoff.

The last place team should get a compliance buyout !

 

[1909]

Him and Pez on the 4th line would be fun to watch. I'd welcome him back

MSL is not too crazy about Pezz. If they get DLo, he is the one who's gonna play full time LW on the 4th line.

 

[Gravity]

No, I wouldn't. Not this year.

I want a high draft pick in 2023. This is crucial to avoid the same fate we've had since the f***ing mid-1990s.

I'm in my late-30s, I've HAD IT with the bullshit that "You can't lose in Montreal". f*** whoever says that shit. We've been losing for 29 years so clearly, it's not true.

Enough with this shit.

God bless you for being rational and not falling for the shiny new toy syndrome.

Can someone link the Petry returning a 1st rounder tweet by Lebrun?

 

[ZUKI]

Suzuki is already overpaid for his production level — PLD at 8m+ would be ludicrous.

Neither have hit even 70 points!

Suzuki made 1,325,833$ last season.

The 8m$ is a projection of what the player will do vs what the market will be at the middle/end of the 8 years term. At first he will be overpaid, but next he will be underpaid at the end of his contract

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

Suzuki made 1,325,833$ last season.

The 8m$ is a projection of what the player will do vs what the market will be at the middle/end of the 8 years term. At first he will be overpaid, but next he will be underpaid at the end of his contract

I'm confident in Suzuki making this contract worthwhile sooner than later, but there's a chance Caufield and Wright surpass his production before their second contact are signed, and this worries me a bit. I hope the cap raises enough so we don't repeat the Toronto situation (and incidentally, I hope there's not another pandemic during the habs window )

 

[MtlSars]

I'm confident in Suzuki making this contract worthwhile sooner than later, but there's a chance Caufield and Wright surpass his production before their second contact are signed, and this worries me a bit. I hope the cap raises enough so we don't repeat the Toronto situation (and incidentally, I hope there's not another pandemic during the habs window )

LOL don't worry too much. Wright isn't even a part of the team yet and we have 3 ELC years so we'll start with those. If he gets something similar to Suzuki with inflation it means he'll have done enough to deserve it and more than likely also if he gets more(cap will go up at some point).

Caufield has superstar potential......but he'll never bring much outside of goals and assists. No toughness and hits and intangibles and unless he develops some backcheck/2-way to his game suddenly... he needs a 40 goal season or some to get 8+. if he gets 30+ goals he gets 7ish long term which is what he's worth. 8 years for 56m would be great for the kid and us moving forward.

I'd rather pay my top line than my fourth liners 3.5m

 

[Twisted Sinister]

No, I wouldn't. Not this year.

I want a high draft pick in 2023. This is crucial to avoid the same fate we've had since the f***ing mid-1990s.

I'm in my late-30s, I've HAD IT with the bullshit that "You can't lose in Montreal". f*** whoever says that shit. We've been losing for 29 years so clearly, it's not true.

Enough with this shit.

This x 1000

I want everyone that wants a quick turnaround and to be "competitive" next year to go look at every cup winner since the cap era started and see what they all have in common except MAYBE the Bruins: Rebuilds. You don't win cups without top-end talent.

Maybe we can finally stop settling for immediate gratification and start thinking a little long-term. Just for once.

 

[BenchBrawl]

This x 1000

I want everyone that wants a quick turnaround and to be "competitive" next year to go look at every cup winner since the cap era started and see what they all have in common except MAYBE the Bruins: Rebuilds. You don't win cups without top-end talent.

Maybe we can finally stop settling for immediate gratification and start thinking a little long-term. Just for once.

Yeah, and the Bruins made arguably the greatest Free Agent signing of the modern era in Zdeno Chara. Good luck reproducing that.

 

[HuGort]

Why trade for a player entering his prime now? We are three years away, more likely five.

I really, really don't like all this Dubois talk. I wouldn't even get him for free, nevermind trading for him. I'll take him in 5 years if he's still relevant. Now he's just gonna push us to that 15th-in-the-league no man's land with no franchise player to show for it despite getting a 1st overall because we were unlucky to get one in one of the worst draft years at the top in recent memory.

If HuGo does this then I know they're not serious about rebuilding and are trying to compete next year, which is an atrocious strategy the likes of which we have tried for 30 years with the results we all know.

On top of all that, Dubois is a very boring player, same is true of Suzuki, and of Wright. Can we get some exciting players with real offense please? Jesus f***ing Christ. Yeah, yeah, I want to win too, but I want some buzz and looking forward to watch games. Caufield alone won't give us that.

We need Connor Bedard.

Dubois is 60 points, 28 goals with 105 penalty minutes at 23 years old. He's not good fit here now because we are rebuilding. In two years, he be a UFA, I would pay big for him.

 

[blarneylad]

Definitely would hate to be proactive and add a young PWF to our core. It always works for Montreal to sit around and wait for players to come to us, nothing will change in the next two years.

A lot can change in 2 years. Dubois can be traded and fall in love with the new team and extend. Very presumptuous to expect him to put his life on hold for 2 years so he can be a canadien. Maybe we just wait for him to be over the hill and mid 30s?

 

[blarneylad]

This x 1000

I want everyone that wants a quick turnaround and to be "competitive" next year to go look at every cup winner since the cap era started and see what they all have in common except MAYBE the Bruins: Rebuilds. You don't win cups without top-end talent.

Maybe we can finally stop settling for immediate gratification and start thinking a little long-term. Just for once.

PLD doesn’t turn this team into a playoff team. But it does add top talent. For,et 3rd overall big under 24.

 

[26Mats]

PLD doesn’t turn this team into a playoff team. But it does add top talent. For,et 3rd overall big under 24.

All true. But I'd rather not give up the assets needed to get him: one of Suzuki, Caufield, 2022 1st OA, or 2023 1st.

 

[morhilane]

This x 1000

I want everyone that wants a quick turnaround and to be "competitive" next year to go look at every cup winner since the cap era started and see what they all have in common except MAYBE the Bruins: Rebuilds. You don't win cups without top-end talent.

Maybe we can finally stop settling for immediate gratification and start thinking a little long-term. Just for once.

The Bruins did somewhat rebuild since they got the #5 and #7 choices in 2006-2007 and the 2003-2006 drafts are where they build their "core" via amazing scouting (Bergeron, Krejic, Kessel, Lucic and Marchand). They had Thorton at #1 in 1999 a few years earlier too. And signed Chara.

They also did great job "retooling" over the years, trading players for assets and doing a good scouting jobs to find replacing parts.

 

[ReHabs]

Yes, but Suzuki's contract should also run through years during which the cap increases. The hope is that he's underpaid in the second half of the contract.

This comment has two interesting implications:

1) That Suzuki will be underpaid the his later, second half of contract, thereby implying he is either paid or overpaid in the first half of his contract. No disagreement from me about the first half, he is definitely not underpaid right now that's for sure. He is not a bargain by any measure right now.

2) What's more interesting to me is the suggestion that his contract won't get particularly more efficient in a point/caphit sense but that the general salary cap will increase thereby become less cap inefficient in general. Okay that's fine with me too.

But...

Yes the cap will rise eventually but scoring is up across the league today and Suzuki's great (albeit still under 1 PPG) production since the coaching change MSL in those dead rubber games should give us hope that he can inch closer to 1 PPG. So what's a fair price for Suzuki? I think what is fair is around 6.5m. 7,875 isn't a fair deal for the Habs. Maybe years on it'll be fair but until Suzuki hits that higher gear it'll just be a "hmm he's overpaid by a few milly, but he's good so not a priority to resolve" kind of feeling.

He's not a bargain and he's not, as of writing, a cap efficient sort of contract that allows good teams to stockpile great players. His PPG this year was 0.74 (61 in 82). I want to see it at 0.86+ (70 pts+ in 82). For the record his PPG under MSL was a terrific 0.91 which is a 75 pt pace.

In the 2021-2022 season 44 players got more than 75 points, and there are players like Schiefele and Kucherov who were well on pace for above that but were cut short due to injury. Not one Hab got close to 75 points. And in the past ten years not one Hab hit 75 points -- the closest was Max Domi. If you go by PPG I think it would be Tatar and Pacioretty who got around that much PPG wise. Among forwards this past year there 34 higher cap hits than Suzuki's upcoming cap hit (54 if you include D and G).

All this to say that should Suzuki pick up where he left off with MSL it would be fine but still not something we can point at and exclaim how lucky we are. If he hits 1 PPG then that'll be great.

tl;dr Suzuki isn't a problem but he isn't carrying a particularly inspiring contract/cap hit as of writing.

He hasn’t made $7.875 million per season yet, that deal doesn’t kick in till next season. I think he puts up at least 70 next season. Under MSL he played 37 games had 12 goals and 34 points. His production was impacted by the Habs terrible run under Ducharme (27 points in 45 games) just like Caufield’s was.

See my response above. I don't want to argue for its own sake. Of course I really do hope Suzuki does pick up where he left off and we get to enjoy a 70+ point all-situation player.

But both Suzuki and PLD at 7.875 would be too much cap inefficiency if neither hits 70 points.

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