Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 61

[sampollock]

I agree completely. As well, you're not going through a rebuild with Price, Gallagher or Petry on the roster.

2 of them have to go

 

[417]

On a good team yes, hence why some competitive team might still be interested in him despite in poor play last playoff and this season.

Gallagher is a declining asset, and he doesn't raise his game during the playoffs despite being a heart and soul kind of player. To top it off, he won't be useful to us in the short-term unless you highly value his leadership qualities.

We might as well cash in on him while is value is still not negative (and this is arguable), his stock is probably going to drop fast if he stays with the Habs since he won't be in an environment to play to the best of his abilities.

Despite his bad contract, he is one of the best asset the Habs available to trade, and it could help this team in the long run.

Don’t disagree here…but if you know this and I know this…..

 

[417]

I agree completely. As well, you're not going through a rebuild with Price, Gallagher or Petry on the roster.

Why?
I feel like this is something people just say but there’s no reason why it HAS to be true.

They can be part of the rebuild just like they can be used to “fund it”.

 

[Schwang]

Is the salary retention and whatever return worth it?

Gallagher on a good team is still a good bet for 20-25 goals.


I’m not convinced but I also wouldn’t be opposed to moving him.

He won't be down for a rebuild. I just think you're expecting too much for him and of him. 20-25 goals? I highly doubt that. Watch the guy play, even last year. He's clearly declined.

 

[sampollock]

funny some posters say CP has a chance, which is their opinion.
yet they are trashed , hmmmmm just a opinion gents

 

[Schwang]

Why?
I feel like this is something people just say but there’s no reason why it HAS to be true.

They can be part of the rebuild just like they can be used to “fund it”.

Their massive contracts. Lack of desire to be involved in a rebuild. Trading them gets much needed assets. Diminishing returns from all of them. There's 4 good reasons.

 

[417]

He won't be down for a rebuild. I just think you're expecting too much for him and of him. 20-25 goals? I highly doubt that. Watch the guy play, even last year. He's clearly declined.

I don’t think I even got into what I expect from him, so not sure what expectations you think I have for him.

I just try tone realistic…I have serious doubts, mainly for the reasons you outlined, that the Habs are gonna get a package that makes it appealing to move him.

And ice very much against retaining salary on any trade involving Price/Petry/Gallagher…they’ve got way too much term left and they’re all still very capable.

Those aren’t the variables that make salary retention plausible.

 

[ottawa]

I don't think we see a trade aside from maybe Chiarot for a 1st or 2nd, it'll mostly be off-season moves.

 

[Mandalorian]

Don’t disagree here…but if you know this and I know this…..

I know they were UFA, but Foligno and Savard were traded for 1st round pick last TDL and they could qualify as declining assets. Even Palmieri and Zajac had some value and they were definitely not hitting their prime. There was salary retention in all case which made them much more interesting despite that fact, because contender always look to add grit, talent and character to their team from top 6-9 forward/top 4 d and Gallagher fits that mold.

 

[417]

Their massive contracts. Lack of desire to be involved in a rebuild. Trading them gets much needed assets. Diminishing returns from all of them. There's 4 good reasons.

Massive is just a way you choose to describe them…their contracts are in line with the roles they have and comparable to their peers.

Again…I’m not opposed to moving either of them. But give me hockey deals. I’m not retaining salary

 

[Schwang]

I don’t think I even got into what I expect from him, so not sure what expectations you think I have for him.

I just try tone realistic…I have serious doubts, mainly for the reasons you outlined, that the Habs are gonna get a package that makes it appealing to move him.

And ice very much against retaining salary on any trade involving Price/Petry/Gallagher…they’ve got way too much term left and they’re all still very capable.

Those aren’t the variables that make salary retention plausible.

You did say 20-25 goals for Gallagher. I think the point is moot anyway. None of them will want to be part of a rebuild. They have to be moved along with others. Regardless of the deals, I think it's happening.

 

[Mandalorian]

Massive is just a way you choose to describe them…their contracts are in line with the roles they have and comparable to their peers.

Again…I’m not opposed to moving either of them. But give me hockey deals. I’m not retaining salary

Then you will have to take on some bad contracts if you don't want to retain. In a cap world, contenders are most of the time close to the cap, and they won't trade us immediate help that they themselves need to compete just to make cap room.

 

[417]

I know they were UFA, but Foligno and Savard were traded for 1st round pick last TDL and they could qualify as declining assets. Even Palmieri and Zajac had some value and they were definitely not hitting their prime. There was salary retention in all case which made them much more interesting despite that fact, because contender always look to add grit, talent and character to their team from top 6-9 forward/top 4 d and Gallagher fits that mold.

This isn’t a negligible variable

 

[Schwang]

Massive is just a way you choose to describe them…their contracts are in line with the roles they have and comparable to their peers.

Again…I’m not opposed to moving either of them. But give me hockey deals. I’m not retaining salary

Gallagher was paid for what he did in the past, not for what he'll do. He's not worth that contract.

 

[417]

You did say 20-25 goals for Gallagher. I think the point is moot anyway. None of them will want to be part of a rebuild. They have to be moved along with others. Regardless of the deals, I think it's happening.

Yes I said I think on a good team he’s still good for those totals…I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

He’s still a good player despite his declining value (which is mostly tied into the term on his deal).

 

[417]

Then you will have to take on some bad contracts if you don't want to retain. In a cap world, contenders are most of the time close to the cap, and they won't trade us immediate help that they themselves need to compete just to make cap room.

Well that’s my point of why it makes it highly unlikely they’ll be moving any time soon

 

[Mandalorian]

This isn’t a negligible variable

If the Wild was able to buy out Parise and Suter contract and lose more than 40M$ long term on the cap hit to make room for their future, I don't see why an organization like the Canadiens de Montréal couldn't retain 12-15M$ long-term to improve their team in the futur.

 

[417]

Gallagher was paid for what he did in the past, not for what he'll do. He's not worth that contract.

As most veterans are…again, I don’t disagree with you in principle.

But this is why any trade is highly unlikely.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Around that ballpark is fair value, considering what Savard got as a UFA.

Savard return might be an anomaly due to how close Tampa was to another cup. But that don't mean that Chiarot will get a low return either. It's just too hard to nail down for each trade deadline cause they can vary.

What I do know is that Chiarot is a legit top 4D at this stage. Not offensively but in terms of reliability, trust, physicality, and skating, Chiarot is more value than Savard. No doubt teams want to add Chiarot.

 

[417]

If the Wild was able to buy out Parise and Suter and loose more than 40M$ long term on the cap hit to make space for their future, I don't see why an organisation llike the Canadiens de Montréal couldn't retain 12-15M$ long-term to improve their team in the futur.

These are the same circumstances…

If Molson wants to buyout Price or Gallagher…by all means.

but we all know that ain’t happening.

Footing the bill for another team to add a top flight goalie in their cup conquest?

no way

 

[Habs Halifax]

As much as I agree that moving on from all 3 would be a full-on commitment to a rebuild, there's no way they do 3 retained salary trades and fill up all available slots. If they do retained salary trades involving multi-year contracts there will only be 1 or 2 to allow flexibility to retain on future trades in subsequent years

I keep saying it. It would be a historical move by the Habs to retain that much and for 3-5 years. Am I banking on it? No. But if Molson was open to it and I was GM, I would send the memo out that all 3 are available up to 50% retention if we get the futures return we want.

It takes guts to make difficult decisions and I think tough decisions are required if we are going to do a proper rebuild.

 

[417]

Savard return might be an anomaly due to how close Tampa was to another cup. But that don't mean that Chiarot will get a low return either. It's just too hard to nail down for each trade deadline cause they can vary.

What I do know is that Chiarot is a legit top 4D at this stage. Not offensively but in terms of reliability, trust, physicality, and skating, Chiarot is more value than Savard. No doubt teams want to add Chiarot.

Man if the Leafs had Chiarot and were shopping him

we’d be reading daily reports from the insiders of how desired he is and how valuable he is.

But he plays on the Habs so it’s “maybe a 1st round pick”

 

[Sterling Archer]

If I'm dealing with Edmonton, I try to pry Holloway from them.

Problem with Holloway is he’s already had two wrist surgeries and hasn’t played in the past 9 months and only played 29 games in the past 21 months. I’d be worried that with that much missed development he’s falling into the Juulsen/Brooks category. Buyer beware there. I’d be targeting Bourgault.

 

[Mandalorian]

These are the same circumstances…

If Molson wants to buyout Price or Gallagher…by all means.

but we all know that ain’t happening.

Footing the bill for another team to add a top flight goalie in their cup conquest?

no way

Parise was a better player than Gallagher( I would agree this is arguable) and Suter a better defenseman than Petry, and they were bought out probably because they weren't even able to get something for them on the trade deadline, otherwise they probably would have done it.

It the Habs are lucky enough to find a partner that his willing to give assets such as 1st rounder and good prospect for the 3 big Habs contracts, you take them and run if you are a rebuilding team like they are. You have to give to get, what happens with the others team after that isn't important. Price, Gallagher and Petry are probably going to be irrelevant when the Habs are finally going to be seriously competing for the cup.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree completely. As well, you're not going through a rebuild with Price, Gallagher or Petry on the roster.

We see it the same. Trying to rebuild around the edges results in a rebuild that takes longer than some fans realize. We are not going to exit from this as contenders without going through growing pains and not making tough decisions on guys like Price, Gallagher, and Petry.

I don't get how some fans think we can rebuild but keep Price, Gallagher, and Petry. That kind of rebuild turns into a bubble playoff team (again). We are shooting higher than this right? . If the answer is yes, then it requires tough decisions to make now. If you are too afraid to make tough decisions, then you should also be too afraid to tank and play the draft lottery. Worrisome strategy where we play middle safe ground will get us nowhere

Price, Gallagher, and Petry didn't extend their contracts with the Habs so we can rebuild during years they are chasing a cup. No way they will want to drown in a rebuild like Lundqvist. Gallagher himself has said he would be open to a trade if the Habs choose a rebuild direction. Gallagher wants to win and he's not waiting 3-5 years for it either.