Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 61

[Adam Michaels]

If I'm dealing with Edmonton, I try to pry Holloway from them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah like I said, I get the concept but I just don’t see it.

I think Price is highly respected but I think most teams see his contract, personal issues, age, chronic injuries as huge mitigating factors to acquiring him and I think they’ll be hesitant at including any futures when there’s so much time and money left on his deal.


That wouldn’t be rebuilding…it would destroying.

It would similar but deeper in context with what the Leafs did with Kessel and Phaneuf. Except we are retaining more and getting more in value. It's a hair cut so we can grow a new healthy hair style .

Leafs don't get Matthews if they didn't sell to start new from the bottom.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think this is madness…I’m not paying half of Price salary so he can go win 2-3 Cups in Edmonton.

Here’s a world class goalie (admittedly with his fair share of issues) at half the salary so you can keep adding other pieces to your emerging dynasty?

No thank you

You're worried too much about what they do on other teams. Look within after the trade and how we can get a star or two in the draft. The purpose of trading them with retention and for solid futures value is to let them win cups while we give our team the best shot to exit our rebuild as a legit contender for years to come.

The Roy trade hurts but with me it hurts more on what we go in return. Pretty much no futures and 3 NHL assets who were meh. That's not a return I would accept for Price if we retain

 

[417]

It would similar but deeper in context with what the Leafs did with Kessel and Phaneuf. Except we are retaining more and getting more in value. It's a hair cut so we can grow a new healthy hair style .

Kessel and Phaneuf didn’t have as much term and salary left when they were moved.

And most importantly, they weren’t chronically injured and coming out of rehab.

Circumstances are entirely different.

Leafs don't get Matthews if they didn't sell to start new from the bottom.

There’s no Matthews in this draft

 

[Habs Halifax]

For 50% retention, we better get a much better prospect than Lavoie.

Price at 5,25mil is worth a boat load.

This would be the idea I would pitch to the Oilers... I would like more but we have to start the conversation somewhere.

* Price (up to 50% retention...TBD)
for
* Koskinen (Pending UFA... cap reasons)
* Turris (Pending UFA... cap reasons)
* 2022 or 2023 1st round pick with top 3 lottery protection
* Holloway (Fringe grade A prospect)
* Lavoie (Grade B)
* Possible other picks if the Oilers win a cup (TBD)

 

[417]

You're worried too much about what they do on other teams. Look within after the trade and how we can get a star or two in the draft. The purpose of trading them with retention and for solid futures value is to let them win cups while we give our team the best shot to exit our rebuild as a legit contender for years to come.

The Roy trade hurts but with me it hurts more on what we go in return. Pretty much no futures and 3 NHL assets who were meh. That's not a return I would accept for Price if we retain

Again…I get the concept, I just don’t think it’s very practical.

I keep saying that a Jake Allen trade is FAR more likely than a Carey Price one.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Kessel and Phaneuf didn’t have as much term and salary left when they were moved.

And most importantly, they weren’t chronically injured and coming out of rehab.

Circumstances are entirely different.


There’s no Matthews in this draft

Similar to Kessel and Phaneuf. Not exactly the same yes. But you get the point and it's not just about this next draft. I get it, you are too afraid to take that risk where they might win cups with someone else while we are still paying them. I rather look within and how we can stock pile a youth core. Retaining does not hurt us during rebuild years and we will get solid futures that helps your youth core buildup in the next 3 drafts.

What am I worried about? Keeping those disgruntled guys around where they hurt our chances at top 5 picks and our rebuild takes 10 years or more.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Again…I get the concept, I just don’t think it’s very practical.

I keep saying that a Jake Allen trade is FAR more likely than a Carey Price one.

I rather use "Historical Move" vs "Not Practical". Again, no doubt about it, it would be a very tough decision to make.

I don't want a rebuild that takes 10 years cause we are not able to get consistent top 5 picks in several drafts and our futures are spread out too much.

Lets see what our new boy Gorton says about it. We are about to find out in the next 6 months.

 

[Deebs]

If I'm dealing with Edmonton, I try to pry Holloway from them.

Him, Bouchard or Broberg would be nice additions

 

[417]

Similar to Kessel and Phaneuf. Not exactly the same yes. But you get the point and it's not just about this next draft. I get it, you are too afraid to take that risk where they might win cups with someone else while we are still paying them. I rather look within and how we can stock pile a youth core. Retaining does not hurt us during rebuild years and we will get solid futures that helps your youth core buildup in the next 3 drafts.

What am I worried about? Keeping those disgruntled guys around where they hurt our chances at top 5 picks and our rebuild takes 10 years or more.

We can do that without renting out our best player to help another team win a Cup(s).


I’m all for risk taking, so it’s not that… just not a fan of renting out our best players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Him, Bouchard or Broberg would be nice additions

Personally, I would let them retain their guys on D. Not because I don't like them but because I think we have a solid group on D and we can draft a D if we want too. And when you look at their depth charts, they will want to keep their D.

I'd target 1st round pick, Holloway, and Lavoie. I think they bite if we ask for the right pieces that don't hurt their chances at winning a cup. When I put myself in their shoes, They need their D to content moving forward. Kind of like if we traded for Eichel, we couldn't trade Suzuki.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We can do that without renting out our best player to help another team win a Cup(s).


I’m all for risk taking, so it’s not that… just not a fan of renting out our best players.

I believe that if we are too hesitant to move Price, Gallagher, Petry, we end up with a rebuild that has flaws. There is no way that they will like a rebuild direction IMO. It will become a distraction and I think we can get an extra 3 1st with prospects to add on what we already have. Of course, we don't have the option to talk to them as fans like Gorton would and will do

Stock pile assets Suzuki and younger while we have a roster that will tank and give us legit lottery shots. Then add the picks and prospects we get by trading Price, Gallagher, Petry. That would be some serious youth movement in a 5 year span growing together.

If I get a 1st, Holloway, and Lavoie for Price from the Oilers, I will be content if he wins a cup with them. And I'd try my best to put conditions that we get more picks if they win cups. Hard to say how deep we can take it if we are offering Price at $5.25M - $6M range.

 

[McPhees Moustache]

It will also require Price's agreement since he has an NMC. But also, we don't know Price's situation with his knee and of course if he's in a good place mentally. So Edmonton might not want to trade for someone who isn't 100% healthy.

The way I see Gorton approach Price is the same way he approached Henrik Lundqvist when Rangers decided they were going the route of a rebuild. Gorton met with Henrik and explained to him the situation and gave him the opportunity to choose if the wants to stay or be traded. He also let him know that he may end up being the back up. Henrik chose to stay with the Rangers. So Gorton honored that and didn't trade him.

I see Gorton approach Price the same way. And in all honesty, I think he will approach all of the vets, or at least the ones that have been here for many years like Gallagher and Petry.

If Price really wants a chance to play for a cup I wonder of there's a scenario where he walks away from his current contract after next years signing bonus is paid. He'd be free to sign on with any team of his choosing, would make the same money as his current contract if he signed for 4yrs @ 6.125M and would still be an under 35 contract if signed before his August birthday. If the Canadiens/Price want to part ways I think this is actually the preferred scenario as I just can't see the Canadiens getting enough of a return from another team to consider retaining 4m/yr to make Price's contract palatable to the few teams that may be interested.

I'd assume there'd be a handshake agreement already in place before he'd do this though

 

[Deebs]

Personally, I would let them retain their guys on D. Not because I don't like them but because I think we have a solid group on D and we can draft a D if we want too. And when you look at their depth charts, they will want to keep their D.

I'd target 1st round pick, Holloway, and Lavoie. I think they bite if we ask for the right pieces that don't hurt their chances at winning a cup. When I put myself in their shoes, They need their D to content moving forward. Kind of like if we traded for Eichel, we couldn't trade Suzuki.

Our D moving forward is quite weak....every position unfortunately. Guhle and Romanov are the only, imo, guarantees and they provide minimal offense. I'd absolutely want a D in return along with a forward....plus picks

 

[Habs Halifax]

Our D moving forward is quite weak....every position unfortunately. Guhle and Romanov are the only, imo, guarantees and they provide minimal offense. I'd absolutely want a D in return along with a forward....plus picks

I don't believe our D pool is weak but there will be disappointments. We have to consider that there will be only a select few teams that Price will waive his NMC and if we play hard ball too much with the Oilers, we might end up stuck with Price or trading him for less in the end.

A 1st, Holloway, and Lavoie is a futures pill they can swallow IMO.

 

[Mandalorian]

As far as Allen vs Price goes for Edmonton.

Allen isn't as much of a proven goaltender as Price in the playoffs, even if he is pretty good himself on that aspect.

The Oilers have much deeper problems than their starting goaltender, but if they want drastic chances to go far in the playoff, they are going to need close to "Dryden-like" performance in front of the net, not just someone who can be steady. A lot of goaltender have looked bad in Edmonton for a reason.

We just saw how Carey Price can carry a bad teams in playoff, add him to a middle of the pack team and he can turn them in a contender. He is a risk right now, but he should be well rested for the playoff and can be there for 2-3 more year to give them a Stanley Cup contending window.

Yes, the problem is his contract but retaining heavily on it would make him more interesting. We aren't going to be cup contender for the time Price will be with his new team, so the Habs should'nt have to consider improving another team in the short-term as a problem. They need to be selfish and get what they can get for one of their most attractive asset they can offer on the market (that is if they retain heavily on him). We are talking 1st round pick and grade A prospect here.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

did you miss what has happened since last years playoffs?

you can't bury your head in the sand and ignore what has happened since last years playoffs,

CP hasn't played a single game since then,
CP has had mental health issues since then,
CP has had a major surgery since then,
CP has had an alcohol and/or drug addiction since then,

you can't just ignore all that and assume he will step onto the ice and go back to his playoff self,
he wasn't great last regular season, at all

If those issues are resolved then he should be even better, no?

He was like 2 wins away from a Smythe last year, now you wanna write him off even though, as you said, he hasn’t played a game since

makes zero sense

 

[Deebs]

I don't believe our D pool is weak but there will be disappointments. We have to consider that there will be only a select few teams that Price will waive his NMC and if we play hard ball too much with the Oilers, we might end up stuck with Price or trading him for less in the end.

A 1st, Holloway, and Lavoie is a futures pill they can swallow IMO.

In regards to Price, I think Colorado would be the better option myself given their chance at winning the cup. Just not sure the cap fit would work.

Byram (if healthy) and Newhook would be perfect for us

 

[Habs Halifax]

In regards to Price, I think Colorado would be the better option myself given their chance at winning the cup. Just not sure the cap fit would work.

Byram (if healthy) and Newhook would be perfect for us

Avs or Oilers are the logical landing spots. Personally, I have had more success with talking with Oilers fans than Avs fans. Would Sakic think differently than their fans?

 

[Adam Michaels]

If Price really wants a chance to play for a cup I wonder of there's a scenario where he walks away from his current contract after next years signing bonus is paid. He'd be free to sign on with any team of his choosing, would make the same money as his current contract if he signed for 4yrs @ 6.125M and would still be an under 35 contract if signed before his August birthday. If the Canadiens/Price want to part ways I think this is actually the preferred scenario as I just can't see the Canadiens getting enough of a return from another team to consider retaining 4m/yr to make Price's contract palatable to the few teams that may be interested.

I'd assume there'd be a handshake agreement already in place before he'd do this though

Price is under contract until 2026. And he has a NMC until the end of the deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

did you miss what has happened since last years playoffs?

you can't bury your head in the sand and ignore what has happened since last years playoffs,

CP hasn't played a single game since then,
CP has had mental health issues since then,
CP has had a major surgery since then,
CP has had an alcohol and/or drug addiction since then,

you can't just ignore all that and assume he will step onto the ice and go back to his playoff self,
he wasn't great last regular season, at all

Yes we can assume that a healthy Price will be the impact guy we know. The rest he is getting is a good thing for prolonging his career. Remember the 2016 World Cup? Price played how many games in 15/16? The answer is 12 games and they were all in 2015 cause he had knee surgery (more serious than the clean up surgery he had last off season). Price is a special goalie and he should be treated as such.

What you might be overlooking is that if Price had zero question marks, the asking price in return would be higher (especially if we are retaining).

Price shows up even more if he is on a team that can compete. History is there and I feel for the guy. We failed to add key pieces around him during his prime. Leaning on Price over and over again can wear on you. You put him on a contender, and it's Roy all over again

 

[Mandalorian]

In regards to Price, I think Colorado would be the better option myself given their chance at winning the cup. Just not sure the cap fit would work.

Byram (if healthy) and Newhook would be perfect for us

Doubt they give that much, they are going to need some good players on ELC because of soon to be MacKinnon new contract and Kuemper which will probably get a raise, plus Kadri is gonna leave this summer so Newhook is probably going to play a top 6 role soon in their offense (might be converted as a winger).

But they might think about it if we retain heavily on Price. That would definitely change the face of the Habs franchise for the future.

 

[Deebs]

Doubt they give that much, they are going to need some good players on ELC because of soon to be MacKinnon new contract and Kuemper which will probably get a raise, plus Kadri is gonna leave this summer so Newhook is probably going to play a top 6 role soon in their offense (might be converted as a winger).

But they might think about it if we retain heavily on Price. That would definitely change the face of the Habs franchise for the future.

For sure.

It's all speculation anyways as Price hasn't even played yet and who knows, maybe the team tells him to take the year off and see him next year.

Fun to play armchair GM

 

[417]

I believe that if we are too hesitant to move Price, Gallagher, Petry, we end up with a rebuild that has flaws. There is no way that they will like a rebuild direction IMO. It will become a distraction and I think we can get an extra 3 1st with prospects to add on what we already have. Of course, we don't have the option to talk to them as fans like Gorton would and will do

I’m not hesitant…just don’t think you move forward when you’re moving good players and eating salary, purely for draft picks.

It’s like kicking about in quicksand, you think you’re working your way out but you’re really just sinking deeper. You end up needing to spend assets to acquire the players you got rid of and are still paying.

If there’s a hockey deal to be made for those 3…ok…but they’re not Milan Lucic…I’m not desperate to unload them.

Stock pile assets Suzuki and younger while we have a roster that will tank and give us legit lottery shots. Then add the picks and prospects we get by trading Price, Gallagher, Petry. That would be some serious youth movement in a 5 year span growing together.

They’ve already started stockpiling assets and will continue to do so after this trade deadline.

that remain true regardless if those 3 stay.

I repeat re: Price/Petry/Gallagher

hockey deal yes!

Get rid of your salary at all cost deal, no!

If I get a 1st, Holloway, and Lavoie for Price from the Oilers, I will be content if he wins a cup with them. And I'd try my best to put conditions that we get more picks if they win cups. Hard to say how deep we can take it if we are offering Price at $5.25M - $6M range.

Agreed…but they’d be mad to do this, even if they could financially (which they can’t)

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Ideally we get a top 5 pick this year and a top 5 pick next year, and then we try to compete the following year.

Also get a few more 1st round picks by trading Chariot and Toffoli.

If we plan on competing in 1.5 years, then it would be better to keep Price.