HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[Lafleurs Guy]

You should have stopped your post after NMC.

Crosby is not leaving Pittsburgh. He's been clear he wants to do a Lemieux/Yzerman.

The Crosby talk started with me. And it's pure pie in the sky stuff, nothing behind it.

All players say they want to stay forever but it's not always the case (though it may be the case here.) If I were Montreal, I'd enquire about him. He is a fan of the team, the Pens aren't going anywhere and if he came here he might actually have a shot at another cup.

As for the Pens, they should do something like this. Crosby's time is coming to an end. They need to rebuild again and this would be a great way to do it.

 

[japhi27returns]

I'm sure they won't go backward. But as they stated so often, they won't spend for a quick fix. They'll try to hit a real long term solution at C and right D. The point is they aren't in a position to rush anything, or to panic. It's year 4, they knows that. I'd guess if they can't hit a long term solution, that may try to overpay a UFA for 2 years, OR to acquire a "bad contract", as they did with Monahan.

Who suggested they panic?

If they let Evans walk they have no proven 2 or 3 C. They will need to staff that position, which will require moving picks or prospects. That won’t mean they are giving up on the rebuild.

They aren’t going into next year with Beck, Kapanen, some plug after Suzuki. We are STACKED with picks and prospects, failing to move some to fill a glaring hole would be a sign of incompetence from mgmt.

 

[calder candidate]

I assume we keep Dvorak (Dach injury and not much centers in Laval to replace), and Savard (Guhle's injury...), but we trade Armia and Evans.

If we can get any value out of Dvorak we trade him regardless, We have zero use for Dvorak even if we trade Evan…

 

[TomKosto]

Which prospects and which 38 year old player?

Mailloux for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach for Crosby -- you say no?
Mailloux, Mešar, Dach, Struble, and a 1st round pick for Crosby -- you say no?

Everything is a matter of degrees, obviously you'd take Crosby for free so what price is the price point that we can afford to give up in exchange for him?

Another comment: I don't subscribe to "mentorship" talk but Demidov is a hockey freak and super professional, it would be very very cool to have a legendary player in the lockerroom when he first joins. We don't have such a veteran presence at the moment. I imagine it would also benefit Slafkovsky, Beck, etc.

Acquiring Crosby would also send a huge message to players on our roster and across the NHL that we're a serious, ambitious, big-boy team. The question again becomes: how much is that worth?

Lots of team will beat those offers lmfao, it’s not like the Pens GM can only negociate with us.

Mesar has no value
Dach is damaged goods
Mailloux is ok
Late pick wont make it

 

[Koivu11]

 

[Agalloch]

2nd round pick or bust.

 

[TheArch]

If we can get any value out of Dvorak we trade him regardless, We have zero use for Dvorak even if we trade Evan…

Dvorak, for white some time now, is the C of an incredibly effective line. They don't score much, but they bring the puck the other side, they harass, they hit, and they don't get scored often. Dvorak is someone I'd consider to offer a cheap 1-2 years deal, so you stabilize your bottom 6 at zero cost.

Then you have a competition between Beck, Newhook, Kapanen and even Dach to fill the other bottom 6 C.

And finally, you try to land a legitimate 1C or elite 2C for the long run.

 

[BLONG7]

The Crosby talk started with me. And it's pure pie in the sky stuff, nothing behind it.

All players say they want to stay forever but it's not always the case (though it may be the case here.) If I were Montreal, I'd enquire about him. He is a fan of the team, the Pens aren't going anywhere and if he came here he might actually have a shot at another cup.

As for the Pens, they should do something like this. Crosby's time is coming to an end. They need to rebuild again and this would be a great way to do it.

Crosby, if he stays in Pitt will finish his career out of the playoffs 5 years in a row............the Pens are about to gut their team...............if he was smart he would ask to be traded to the Avs or the Habs.
This will be his 3rd year out of the show, and they will be nowhere close the next two so...................what will he do??
I think he is saying he is staying so it doesn't hurt his trade value.....he could be dealt this offseason.......just a hunch.

 

[sampollock]

2nd round pick or bust.

or a 3rd and a prospect

 

[Agalloch]

or a 3rd and a prospect

A good prospect or I don't see the point.

 

[TomKosto]

Crosby, if he stays in Pitt will finish his career out of the playoffs 5 years in a row............the Pens are about to gut their team...............if he was smart he would ask to be traded to the Avs or the Habs.
This will be his 3rd year out of the show, and they will be nowhere close the next two so...................what will he do??
I think he is saying he is staying so it doesn't hurt his trade value.....he could be dealt this offseason.......just a hunch.

Crosby has win it all… Maybe he wants to retire as a Pens?

 

[Agalloch]

Dvorak, for white some time now, is the C of an incredibly effective line. They don't score much, but they bring the puck the other side, they harass, they hit, and they don't get scored often. Dvorak is someone I'd consider to offer a cheap 1-2 years deal, so you stabilize your bottom 6 at zero cost.

Then you have a competition between Beck, Newhook, Kapanen and even Dach to fill the other bottom 6 C.

And finally, you try to land a legitimate 1C or elite 2C for the long run.

For sure we need centers for next year, we can't begin the year with Suzuki, Kapanen, Beck as centers... we badly need 1-2 centers. Kapanen and Beck will battle for 4th line duties. That's why keeping Dvorak or Evans should be considered. I know it's weird, but I would also consider signing Dvorak for 2-3 years at 3.5$, something like that and trade Evans, or Evans could also sign the same thing... I would keep him and trade Dvorak (or let him go).

We also don't have anything else in the prospects range, maybe Hage in 2 years.

Dach should be let go or play wing.

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Dach-Newhook-Demidov
Heineman-Dvorak OR Evans-Laine
Gallagher-Beck/Kapanen-Anderson

So badly need a second line center...

 

[BLONG7]

Crosby has win it all… Maybe he wants to retire as a Pens?

Possibly...............but he still has a lot of fire too..............missing the playoffs is hardly his mantra.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[le_sean]

Possibly...............but he still has a lot of fire too..............missing the playoffs is hardly his mantra.
Just my 2 cents.

66 points away from passing Mario as franchise leader in points. 81 goals away from lead in goals. I think he’s loyal to the franchise and would like those records. He’s won his Cups. His next goal is another Olympic gold.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm flabbergasted that many here wouldn't want Crosby.

I'm going to leave aside that Crosby isn't coming here.

If I'm Hughes I start with an offer that Pittsburgh has to consider, and build from there.
2025 1st
conditional 2027 1st
2025 2nd
2026 2nd
Kirby Dach or Alex Newhook

The purpose of adding Crosby is multifold. First, it instantly transitions the Habs to being a playoff team, instead of being on the bubble. Adding a point per game center has that impact. Second, it would help Laine and Demidov next year, and Suzuki for that matter by taking the pressure off his line. Third, it builds a positive influence in the locker room (like Weber was argued to be), Crosby is generational not just for talent but for willpower. He's overcome so many injuries and is now point per game at age 38. Finally he can be a stopgap until Michael Hage emerges, so that the Habs don't waste the entirety of Suzuki's contract drafting 8th overall.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

Unpopular opinion, but I think Evans is a good candidate to pass a point in negociation around the league. Hugues always plays hard on his price and maybe some will call bluff. If he sets a high Price on him and people waits and don’t buy, you keep a center in a team desperate for one and a good message for the team. I would personnaly prefer we drop for a better pick and get absolute value every time… but it’s not black or white

 

[Habssince89]

I don't think its crazy to think Evans can fetch a low 1st. No one interested in him needs him to bump their scoring, so since we can ignore that he has no weakness in terms of a rental. Cheap, young, fast, defensively responsible, faceoffs, PK, decent puck skills.

If Hughes is packaging both him and Armia, the return would be high IMO

 

[vokiel]

I don't think its crazy to think Evans can fetch a low 1st. No one interested in him needs him to bump their scoring, so since we can ignore that he has no weakness in terms of a rental. Cheap, young, fast, defensively responsible, faceoffs, PK, decent puck skills.

If Hughes is packaging both him and Armia, the return would be high IMO

Not crazy, but we also already have 12 picks in 2025, one more ain't changing much.

 

[Habssince89]

Not crazy, but we also already have 12 picks in 2025, one more ain't changing much.

I think another 1st would certainly be thrown into whatever picks package hughes is cooking up. It won't be used to select a player

 

[The Great Weal]

Think it's obvious that we're not extending him at his rumored 4x5, and we already turned down a 2nd for him in the offseason. It's hard to bluff a team about your UFA who isn't a key player and is asking for an unprecedented contract for his role.

 

[TheArch]

Unpopular opinion, but I think Evans is a good candidate to pass a point in negociation around the league. Hugues always plays hard on his price and maybe some will call bluff. If he sets a high Price on him and people waits and don’t buy, you keep a center in a team desperate for one and a good message for the team. I would personnaly prefer we drop for a better pick and get absolute value every time… but it’s not black or white

Something not mentioned much is the cap you set for your players. I mean, if you sign Evans at 4, you set the standard for other players. It's a very very bad standard. You comply to the internal cap, of you move away from the player. Evans will get 4M x 5 and a chance to run right away for a cup. It's just normal that both sides said to Lebrun they expected him to be moved. Overpaying for him would be so detrimental. Accumulate and keep your bullets for a true dominant player, not a fringe 3rd line C.

 

[Vachon23]

2nd round pick or bust.

I’m not even sure I would do it for a late 2nd round pick, especially a 2025 pick

 

[calder candidate]

Dvorak, for white some time now, is the C of an incredibly effective line. They don't score much, but they bring the puck the other side, they harass, they hit, and they don't get scored often. Dvorak is someone I'd consider to offer a cheap 1-2 years deal, so you stabilize your bottom 6 at zero cost.

Then you have a competition between Beck, Newhook, Kapanen and even Dach to fill the other bottom 6 C.

And finally, you try to land a legitimate 1C or elite 2C for the long run.

Dvorak is a legit NHL player and stability is always underrated but it still doesn’t move the needle and there are always a few underrated player available also we could still always resign him or another UFA. Getting anything for him will be worth more than him finishing the season…

 

[Schooner Guy]

It's not only the pick. It's the standing, it's the fact we're a rebuilding team. It amazes me how we look at TB management, how we are impressed, and how we forget they decided to be sellers at 3 pts from a playoff spots, and they were absolute contender.

Habs is not. Year 4, and people want to keep our UFAs for some short term fun.

Year 4.

We're likely not falling to bottom 5 anyway. For the difference of a couple of spots in the standings between 8-12, we're far better off with Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Arber, Guhle etc playing meaningful games. Also players like Suzuki deserve a bone thrown at him after being a good soldier through this rebuild. This isn't a hockey pool. Human emotions and sentiment go a long way in building a team and recruiting UFAs when we're ready to take that plunge.

 

[The Great Weal]

I’m not even sure I would do it for a late 2nd round pick, especially a 2025 pick

So you'd rather lose him for nothing?