HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think we need ROR anyways he's turning 34 in a week. Don't really wanna give those LITR anchor deal for a team not playoffs ready

Only way I would do it is if we can flip Dach for a RD (similar in age and team control) and then it makes sense. ROR for two years while Hage develops. A bit risky if Hage is not a 2C though. IMO, Hage is the guy we want Dach to be today

Personally, I would not have plans to acquire ROR and play him 3C. I don't think he is interested in that lower role and reduced min's

 

[Habs Halifax]

What are looking for in return?

I would imagine they are after D. Not sure a Newhook/1st offer would work. They likely still believe in Byfield like we believed in Kotkaniemi in the 1st few years.

Pretty sure they would target Reinbacher and we can't do that. Newhook and Mailloux? Newhook replaces Byfield and Mailloux is close to NHL ready. Offer a 2nd on top? Value is probably not far off but probably won't work

 

[Habs Halifax]

It is definitely a real thing that he has been acquiring Quartexx players every season. It's TBD if that is a problem though.

Matheson worries me because he is Hughes' favorite player/person and I'm not sure if Hughes will be willing to deal him without doing a favor to the player. Hughes would love to give Matheson a big contract extension. I think he'll wait until next season so he can negotiate a sign and trade to ensure his friends come out okay.

Newhook is another one of his best bud's and Hughes visited Nova Scotia when Newhook brought the Cup there.

He's not going to be cuthroat when it comes to these guys

I don't think Hughes is going to offer bloated contracts like Bergevin did. I'd be shocked

 

[yianik]

I'm thinking we need to hold onto our assets in case we need to trade for a 2C. And a prospect D is probably low on priorities.

But. How interesting is Nemec ? Between him and Reinbacher are we basically guaranteed one will be a top pair RHD ?

And how close does the Calgary 1st, Evans, Struble and retained Josh Anderson get us ?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm thinking we need to hold onto our assets in case we need to trade for a 2C. And a prospect D is probably low on priorities.

But. How interesting is Nemec ? Between him and Reinbacher are we basically guaranteed one will be a top pair RHD ?

And how close does the Calgary 1st, Evans, Struble and retained Josh Anderson get us ?

Jersey fans have high value on Nemec at this stage so not sure it works. I tried yesterday with a Dach offer. They think Nemec is still close to Slaf value when he has only played 69 games and his development is meh. It's going OK... not good, not bad. Interesting to see how Nemec does in the next year. He has to play some NHL games. I believe he will be a top 4D but not top pairing. How long does it take him? Probably another 2 years

About 2 weeks ago, I offered Evans (sign/trade), One of our 1sts, and one of Beck or Mailloux. Several thought that value was fair but some fans said, they rather get B Tkachuk instead . Yeah, the Habs are the only ones who overrate their own eh?

If the Habs drafted Nemec #2 OA and he was in the AHL at age 20, just imagine what other fans say his value is? Regardless of how deep they are at RD and want him to play more min's.

I hope Nemec demands a trade. Make them scramble

 

[domiwroze]

It's pretty clear what our biggest needs are; Top pair RHD and #1 goalie.

Top pair RHD : the current situation is that Reinbacher will take Savard's spot after the trade deadline and he will not play 22 to 25minutes a night right off the bat if we want to compete next year.
We still need someone that can play those 20+ min a night on the right side. Adding Pionk or Andersson would be lovely for that but MY GUY would be Parayko. He just fits for us perfectly.
Hutson - Parayko 22-24min
Guhle - Carrier 19-21min
Xhakej - Reinbacher 16-19min

Once Reinbacher takes over, that defense will be solid and all 3 pairs can play on 200ft.

Which brings us to our Goalies current situation ; Monty is a stop gap, everyone knows it. He had his chance this year to be a real #1 but instead he proved that he can't be. He is a solid #2 tho. Which tells me that we will start to see more of Dobes since the future is a tandem of Fowler 50ish and Dobes 32ish games.

Goalies are weird tho. But i'd bet my right nut that Fowler is a #1 goalie in the NHL. Dobes has a chance to prove his talent in the show while Fowler has to wait next year and at the very least 40 AHL games. With all that said, it brings me to Primeau. I doubt we will get anything for Cayden but it's clear that he's gone, specially since next year Fowler is coming over for that #1 AHL spot.

Anyway, i'd overpay for Parayko.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's pretty clear what our biggest needs are; Top pair RHD and #1 goalie.

Top pair RHD : the current situation is that Reinbacher will take Savard's spot after the trade deadline and he will not play 22 to 25minutes a night right off the bat if we want to compete next year.
We still need someone that can play those 20+ min a night on the right side. Adding Pionk or Andersson would be lovely for that but MY GUY would be Parayko. He just fits for us perfectly.
Hutson - Parayko 22-24min
Guhle - Carrier 19-21min
Xhakej - Reinbacher 16-19min

Once Reinbacher takes over, that defense will be solid and all 3 pairs can play on 200ft.

Which brings us to our Goalies current situation ; Monty is a stop gap, everyone knows it. He had his chance this year to be a real #1 but instead he proved that he can't be. He is a solid #2 tho. Which tells me that we will start to see more of Dobes since the future is a tandem of Fowler 50ish and Dobes 32ish games.

Goalies are weird tho. But i'd bet my right nut that Fowler is a #1 goalie in the NHL. Dobes has a chance to prove his talent in the show while Fowler has to wait next year and at the very least 40 AHL games. With all that said, it brings me to Primeau. I doubt we will get anything for Cayden but it's clear that he's gone, specially since next year Fowler is coming over for that #1 AHL spot.

Anyway, i'd overpay for Parayko.

If goalie is a need, might as well add 2C to that needs list as well. Both areas are stable and with futures coming

Dach vs Hage, Beck, Kapanen

Monty vs Dobes and Fowler

The RD appears to be the biggest need. Many of us are low on Mailloux but I think we need to be a bit more patient. Might turn into another Barron situation or not. We just don't know. Parayko, Puluck, or R Andersson could be targets yes.

 

[yianik]

Jersey fans have high value on Nemec at this stage so not sure it works. I tried yesterday with a Dach offer. They think Nemec is still close to Slaf value when he has only played 69 games and his development is meh. It's going OK... not good, not bad. Interesting to see how Nemec does in the next year. He has to play some NHL games. I believe he will be a top 4D but not top pairing. How long does it take him? Probably another 2 years

About 2 weeks ago, I offered Evans (sign/trade), One of our 1sts, and one of Beck or Mailloux. Several thought that value was fair but some fans said, they rather get B Tkachuk instead . Yeah, the Habs are the only ones who overrate their own eh?

If the Habs drafted Nemec #2 OA and he was in the AHL at age 20, just imagine what other fans say his value is? Regardless of how deep they are at RD and want him to play more min's.

I hope Nemec demands a trade. Make them scramble

Well if all it took was adding Mailloux I'm good. Beck I want to keep. But as I say, we probably should just wait to see if we need to pay up for a 2C. Half a dozen teams anyway are looking for a 2C.

 

[Habs Icing]

Matheson rushed the puck instead of backing off. Instead of playing the 1v1 they went into a 2v0
pretty stupid play overall. This and literally dumping the puck on the same OT.

He's actually so lost everytime he touches the puck or when he shoots it , he shoots on someone

I don't think we're talking about the same play. I'm referring to Jersey's goal in OT. But if we're talking about the same play, I suggest you take another look. If Laine's pass had been anywhere near Matheson it would have been a 3 V 1 in Jersey's zone. Laine botched his pass. Considering the short distance it had to travel and the lack of pressure on Laine, it was a terrible pass. Those things happen, but to blame Matheson for that is a little too much. You're revealing your emotional dislike of a player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well if all it took was adding Mailloux I'm good. Beck I want to keep. But as I say, we probably should just wait to see if we need to pay up for a 2C. Half a dozen teams anyway are looking for a 2C.

Interesting context between Mailloux and Nemec for their age 20 seasons... I feel our herd is a bit guilty of being too low on Mailloux.

Nemec (24/25):
* Age 20 season
* 19 pts with 5 goals in 29 AHL games
* +8 rating
* Comets are 27th in the AHL

Mailloux (23/24):
* Age 20 season
* 47 pts with 14 goals in 72 games
* -8 rating
* Laval was 22nd in the AHL that year

What stands out there to me is Nemec is better on the D side but Mailloux has a bit more offense. However, I do think Mailloux has improve on the D side in his 2nd AHL season.

Nemec has played 69 NHL games (0.29 pts/game with a -9 rating)

Mailloux has played 6 NHL games (0.67 pts/game with a -3 rating)

 

[therocket9]

It's pretty clear what our biggest needs are; Top pair RHD and #1 goalie.

Top pair RHD : the current situation is that Reinbacher will take Savard's spot after the trade deadline and he will not play 22 to 25minutes a night right off the bat if we want to compete next year.
We still need someone that can play those 20+ min a night on the right side. Adding Pionk or Andersson would be lovely for that but MY GUY would be Parayko. He just fits for us perfectly.
Hutson - Parayko 22-24min
Guhle - Carrier 19-21min
Xhakej - Reinbacher 16-19min

Once Reinbacher takes over, that defense will be solid and all 3 pairs can play on 200ft.

Which brings us to our Goalies current situation ; Monty is a stop gap, everyone knows it. He had his chance this year to be a real #1 but instead he proved that he can't be. He is a solid #2 tho. Which tells me that we will start to see more of Dobes since the future is a tandem of Fowler 50ish and Dobes 32ish games.

Goalies are weird tho. But i'd bet my right nut that Fowler is a #1 goalie in the NHL. Dobes has a chance to prove his talent in the show while Fowler has to wait next year and at the very least 40 AHL games. With all that said, it brings me to Primeau. I doubt we will get anything for Cayden but it's clear that he's gone, specially since next year Fowler is coming over for that #1 AHL spot.

Anyway, i'd overpay for Parayko.

I think it is more likey Weegar would waive his NMC to come to Montreal than Parayko.......Weegar is from Ottawa and played in the QMJHL and throws a ton of hits blocks a ton of shots and logs big minutes.

 

[Treb]

At 50% an acquiring team is paying Gallagher 3.25 mil. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that (unless MB can get Blake to take him). Just buy him out.

I don't think 3.25 M is that bad for Gallagher 15-20 goals 30-40 points.

Not a bargain but it would be tradeable.

 

[sampollock]

If Pittsburgh blows it up and are sellers would you be interested in Malkin?

He is making 6.1 million this year and next and is then a UFA. He is way past his prime but would he be a great mentor for one year for Demidov next year?

It would bump Dach down to third line center or he could play on the wing in the top six.

Suzuki, Caufield, Malkin, Demidov, Dach, Slafkovsky would make up the top six.

If Pittsburgh blows it up I’m sure they would be looking for futures in which the Habs have lots.

Now I am not sure on the value. What would you think Pittsburgh’s asking price would be?

Malkin man is hurt now
Posters don't like getting injury prone players

It's pretty clear what our biggest needs are; Top pair RHD and #1 goalie.

Top pair RHD : the current situation is that Reinbacher will take Savard's spot after the trade deadline and he will not play 22 to 25minutes a night right off the bat if we want to compete next year.
We still need someone that can play those 20+ min a night on the right side. Adding Pionk or Andersson would be lovely for that but MY GUY would be Parayko. He just fits for us perfectly.
Hutson - Parayko 22-24min
Guhle - Carrier 19-21min
Xhakej - Reinbacher 16-19min

Once Reinbacher takes over, that defense will be solid and all 3 pairs can play on 200ft.

Which brings us to our Goalies current situation ; Monty is a stop gap, everyone knows it. He had his chance this year to be a real #1 but instead he proved that he can't be. He is a solid #2 tho. Which tells me that we will start to see more of Dobes since the future is a tandem of Fowler 50ish and Dobes 32ish games.

Goalies are weird tho. But i'd bet my right nut that Fowler is a #1 goalie in the NHL. Dobes has a chance to prove his talent in the show while Fowler has to wait next year and at the very least 40 AHL games. With all that said, it brings me to Primeau. I doubt we will get anything for Cayden but it's clear that he's gone, specially since next year Fowler is coming over for that #1 AHL spot.

Anyway, i'd overpay for Parayko.

So many teams want a RH D
the price is high if we make a deal.
KH has the picks to make a deal

? is
which RH D is to be had? decent age

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I don't think Hughes is going to offer bloated contracts like Bergevin did. I'd be shocked

I think he trades him over the summer or before the 2026 deadline but I’m sure Matheson would love at least a 6x6.5M contract extension as a parting gift.

He won’t let him walk for nothing and he won’t trade him to an unfavorable situation. The options are trade or extend and it’s hard to guarantee you’ll get the return you want in a trade.

Negotiating a sign and trade with Matheson after this season seems like a way to make both parties happy, I just hope it doesn’t limit his potential suitors.

 

[sampollock]

I think he trades him over the summer or before the 2026 deadline but I’m sure Matheson would love at least a 6x6.5M contract extension as a parting gift.

He won’t let him walk for nothing and he won’t trade him to an unfavorable situation. The options are trade or extend and it’s hard to guarantee you’ll get the return you want in a trade.

Negotiating a sign and trade with Matheson after this season seems like a way to make both parties happy, I just hope it doesn’t limit his potential suitors.

Math is a 5 mill D man at the best
no many mistakes. you don't get pd just because you cant skate well

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think he trades him over the summer or before the 2026 deadline but I’m sure Matheson would love at least a 6x6.5M contract extension as a parting gift.

He won’t let him walk for nothing and he won’t trade him to an unfavorable situation. The options are trade or extend and it’s hard to guarantee you’ll get the return you want in a trade.

Negotiating a sign and trade with Matheson after this season seems like a way to make both parties happy, I just hope it doesn’t limit his potential suitors.

This depends a lot on what Reinbacher, Mailloux, and BK from Russia do in the next season... all the way to 2026 TDL. Reinbacher has the inside track but what we don't know is how much Mailloux improves at the same time. I think we are overlooking Mailloux to some degree. Yes, he can end up on the Barron path but we don't know and we must see how he finishes this season and how he does next year. Everyone does not develop at the same rate.

Matheson is not one I am desperate to move out so we can bring in a slower guy making the same as what Matheson would get paid. Puck moving is a premium and we have one of the best puck movers in the NHL. And no, he is not horrible in his own end. Certainly not to the levels some fans are dwelling on. Matheson should be allowed to improve without a black cloud fan base waiting for his next mistake. If anybody has noticed, Matheson is improve in the D zone at his mature age. Just don't extend him past age 35.

Imagine, we trade for Puluck who declines faster in his 30's vs Matheson but we let Matheson go. We need to be careful here.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Math is a 5 mill D man at the best
no many mistakes. you don't get pd just because you cant skate well

Matheson is getting 55% of D zone starts while someone like Dobson is getting 60% offensive zone starts. Habs are forced to use Matheson in the D zone more and yes, he's not a shutdown stud but we are dwelling on his mistakes. There are a lot of D men that makes the same mistakes as Matheson but they are not targeted for it.

Matheson is a legit top 4D. He's worth more than $5M AAV bud. Probably $6.5M is the right number with a new cap.

 

[ML16]

100% agree. Fans need to get over it. It's not blocking us with our cap space or blocking youth. Unless if you are a fan who wants to rush our young kids to fill holes?

I concur in regards to Anderson; although overpaid, he can still be useful, especially with his new PK assignment.

As for Gallagher however, I would seriously consider finding a way to ship him elsewhere this offseason, especially if Armia can be re-signed under 3M.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I concur in regards to Anderson; although overpaid, he can still be useful, especially with his new PK assignment.

As for Gallagher however, I would seriously consider finding a way to ship him elsewhere this offseason, especially if Armia can be re-signed under 3M.

Gallagher is more of a concern vs Anderson yes. However, what are we going to do? Retain half his salary just so we can move him? Armia has like 2 or 3 good years left and yes, most of us would want him back but Gallagher may be blocking him.

Is retaining 50% on Gallagher and keeping Armia a good move? What contract do you think Armia gets? Term would be a sticking point for me. 3 years max

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Habs do need to go shopping this offseason for a veteran RD preferably a big stay at home def for Hutson

Hutson - X
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Struble

DR will obviously move up mid season or the year after but i think starting the season at 3rd pair makes sense he missed alot of hockey the past 2 years

Cant really speak for Mailloux havent watched many Rocket games but from what im reading he still struggles defensively

 

[Scriptor]

Habs do need to go shopping this offseason for a veteran RD preferably a big stay at home def for Hutson

Hutson - X
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Struble

DR will obviously move up mid season or the year after but i think starting the season at 3rd pair makes sense he missed alot of hockey the past 2 years

Cant really speak for Mailloux havent watched many Rocket games but from what im reading he still struggles defensively

Hutson - Ceci (UFA)
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

To start the year, provided we traded Matheson.

Year after:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Ceci
Xhekaj -Carrier

 

[Scriptor]

It's pretty clear what our biggest needs are; Top pair RHD and #1 goalie.

Top pair RHD : the current situation is that Reinbacher will take Savard's spot after the trade deadline and he will not play 22 to 25minutes a night right off the bat if we want to compete next year.
We still need someone that can play those 20+ min a night on the right side. Adding Pionk or Andersson would be lovely for that but MY GUY would be Parayko. He just fits for us perfectly.
Hutson - Parayko 22-24min
Guhle - Carrier 19-21min
Xhakej - Reinbacher 16-19min

Once Reinbacher takes over, that defense will be solid and all 3 pairs can play on 200ft.

Which brings us to our Goalies current situation ; Monty is a stop gap, everyone knows it. He had his chance this year to be a real #1 but instead he proved that he can't be. He is a solid #2 tho. Which tells me that we will start to see more of Dobes since the future is a tandem of Fowler 50ish and Dobes 32ish games.

Goalies are weird tho. But i'd bet my right nut that Fowler is a #1 goalie in the NHL. Dobes has a chance to prove his talent in the show while Fowler has to wait next year and at the very least 40 AHL games. With all that said, it brings me to Primeau. I doubt we will get anything for Cayden but it's clear that he's gone, specially since next year Fowler is coming over for that #1 AHL spot.

Anyway, i'd overpay for Parayko.

Paryko will be 32 at the start of next season. I'd love the player, but would definitely not overpay for a player that comes with no more than 5 years of use and maybe at a declining rate, on top of that.

At that age, you want an UFA to avoid spending assets beyond Cap space. His 6.5M Cap (6 more years after this one, though) hit isn't crazy high, though, even if he isn't a big offensive producer.

 

[phillytennis]

I would offer Cayden Primeau, and our two first picks in 2025 for Simon Nemec and Dawson Mercer.

 

[sampollock]

Matheson is getting 55% of D zone starts while someone like Dobson is getting 60% offensive zone starts. Habs are forced to use Matheson in the D zone more and yes, he's not a shutdown stud but we are dwelling on his mistakes. There are a lot of D men that makes the same mistakes as Matheson but they are not targeted for it.

Matheson is a legit top 4D. He's worth more than $5M AAV bud. Probably $6.5M is the right number with a new cap.

so all his mistakes are top 4 RD in the NHL
could be I guess, hard to figure though

can you imagine if he got 6.5 or 7 and kept making blunders? this board would fry

 

[Habs Halifax]

so all his mistakes are top 4 RD in the NHL
could be I guess, hard to figure though

can you imagine if he got 6.5 or 7 and kept making blunders? this board would fry

Well, as we speak, Team Canada is considering Matheson to replace Pietrangelo. I think our herd is guilty of devaluing Matheson and are obsessed with focusing on his mistakes.

I said it before and will say it again. Matheson should be allowed to improve as a matured Dman. There are tons of guys in the NHL that have very good age 28-35 years. Matheson is an elite level skater and helps us escape pressure more than he creates mistakes. Give the guy a break