HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Kosseca]

Just to say. I don't like any top 6 that don't include Demidov next season

yeah, me neither...

 

[Benstheman]

No matter what happens with our top 6 between now and next season, Dach getting back on track is pivotal for us. We then have a good problem on our hands. Do we keep him as a good 2nd line center that wouldn't cost us too much in terms of salary or do we use him and his revigorated value to get a solid upgrade?

 

[le_sean]

Would O'Reilly be a logical target if we are either in the playoffs or in the mix? He has another year beyond this one and would be under control for next year.

Get rid of Dvo for pretty much anything and insert O'Reilly. He wins faceoffs as well and is miles better offensively.

We could use him as a trade chip next year as well worst comes to absolute worst.

He’s my ideal target. Perfect centre for a rookie Demidov next year. Good centre for Laine as well. PK would improve even more. No longer need to throw Dvorak out there for important faceoffs. Veteran leader for a young team.

 

[Garry Valk]

He’s my ideal target. Perfect centre for a rookie Demidov next year. Good centre for Laine as well. PK would improve even more. No longer need to throw Dvorak out there for important faceoffs. Veteran leader for a young team.

He wanted to play in Montreal as well, did he not? If a veteran winner like O’Reilly is available, we gotta chase him. His impact in our younger players would be fantastic.

 

[waitin425]

No matter what happens with our top 6 between now and next season, Dach getting back on track is pivotal for us. We then have a good problem on our hands. Do we keep him as a good 2nd line center that wouldn't cost us too much in terms of salary or do we use him and his revigorated value to get a solid upgrade?

Third option....we keep him as a 2nd line centre....probably earning between 5-6 million AAV long-term, and then slide him down to 3rd line role, in two years when Hage earns the 2nd line centre role!

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Assuming the picks mostly hold around this range, I'd consider using them to get a target player the Habs love in the draft (i.e., move up), or otherwise use at least one of them to secure a professional asset elsewhere.

Habs currently have 12 picks if my count is correct, definitely don't think we need all of them at this point.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Assuming the picks mostly hold around this range, I'd consider using them to get a target player the Habs love in the draft, or otherwise use at least one of them to secure a professional asset from elsewhere.

Habs currently have 12 picks if my count is correct, definitely don't think we need all of them at this point.

Nope, look for value trades like the Bjorkstrand/Buchnevich/Burakovsky moves of past years.. or just be aggressive in moving up the draft board, quality over quantity.

 

[salbutera]

HuGo might go after a rental or 2 but they won't give up any valuable assets for them. 4th round to 7th round pick value probably.

I don’t see HuGo “buying” any asset other than a veteran 13th F to replace Pezz-dispenser and maybe a veteran backup if Dobes bubble burts which I don’t think will be the case

 

[JeffreyLFC]

The Habs are in very good position.
Yes we would need ideally another top 6 center or top 4 RD but even then, it's still better to not force it unless it is clear BPA. We should be aggressive and try trading up as we did last year. We don't need to draft with all our picks. We could package our 2nd to move up a couple spot in the first round or even offer both our first for a top 5 pick (very doubtful we can pull that out but it would be worth a try)

 

[morhilane]

.. It's going to be one of the worst TDL ever.
....

It's been like that for a few seasons now.

Thanks to the "bubble teams" not wanting to buy because they know they sucks, but they are also not really into selling because they think they can make it anyway and only one small retool from contending the next season so no point moving pieces for rentals. And the contenders have no cap space.

 

[salbutera]

He wanted to play in Montreal as well, did he not? If a veteran winner like O’Reilly is available, we gotta chase him. His impact in our younger players would be fantastic.

Nope - wants nothing to do with playing in a Cdn market after his Make Beliefs experience, was open enough to state so publicly. It’s why he didn’t resign w Toronto, and why Trotz said he’s treating ROR situation as having a full NTC

Should ROR be of interest, this would be a good litmus test on whether HuGo can sell Mtl and whether going to a playoff team is a game changer from a players perspective.

 

[The Great Weal]

He’s my ideal target. Perfect centre for a rookie Demidov next year. Good centre for Laine as well. PK would improve even more. No longer need to throw Dvorak out there for important faceoffs. Veteran leader for a young team.

I think ROR wanted out of Toronto because of the media attention so I doubt he'd want to come here. Even if he doesn't have trade protection, there's no point in trading for a vet who doesn't want to be here. However, if we can convince him that'd be awesome. I'd ship Newhook out for him easily and Trotz's being indecisive with his team's direction might make it enticing for him.

I don't think Newhook is this bad normally, I was a huge fan last year, but even if he rebounds I don't see where he has a place on the team in the future. He's not beating out CC/Slaf/Laine/Demidov, and isn't physical/good enough defensively to be a third-liner. I also wouldn't oppose a Struble for Lauzon trade either in hopes of it becoming a Barron for Carrier 2.0 trade.

At the very least Dvorak can PK and win faceoffs and would be fine as a 13th forward, it's his last year anyway.

 

[waitin425]

Package them to move up and get the player we like most.

 

[FerrisRox]

Looking forward, it seems quite clear that the TDL strategy will be framed by where the team stand in the standing at that time.

Regardless of where the Canadiens are in the standings, they will be looking to move out UFA players they don't intend to extend.

If they were to make the playoffs this year, it would be a "bonus" and a great learning experience for the young core, but the management will stay the course and stick to the plan regardless of where they are in the standings.

 

[FerrisRox]

Nope - wants nothing to do with playing in a Cdn market after his Make Beliefs experience, was open enough to state so publicly.

This is false.

I can't "prove" how I know this, so the mods can delete if need be, but his issues with the Maple Leafs were entirely in the dressing room and not connected to the media coverage.

He may very well have not liked the media situation as well, but the reason he wasn't interested in re-signing in Toronto was because it wasn't a situation he believed in or wanted to be a part of moving forward.

He was actually thrilled to be traded to Toronto, initially, but he didn't enjoy his experience at all, and it wasn't because of the spotlight the team was under.

 

[The Great Weal]

I'd be shocked if we used both picks to draft players.

 

[Kosseca]

No matter what happens with our top 6 between now and next season, Dach getting back on track is pivotal for us. We then have a good problem on our hands. Do we keep him as a good 2nd line center that wouldn't cost us too much in terms of salary or do we use him and his revigorated value to get a solid upgrade?

I never had this much of a FOMO with a player then with Dach. Before I trade him, I would try him as a W to a more skilled C, or even as a 3C....

With O'Reilly, after reading his working habits, I do think he's a good replacement for Dvorak. But not sure he would want to come here and the price may be quite high for a 3/4C.

 

[Kosseca]

Regardless of where the Canadiens are in the standings, they will be looking to move out UFA players they don't intend to extend.

If they were to make the playoffs this year, it would be a "bonus" and a great learning experience for the young core, but the management will stay the course and stick to the plan regardless of where they are in the standings.

I agree that they will stay the course and dont dip into "rentals", but I'm not so sure they would trade Savard, Dvorak or Armia. Neither one of them can fetch more then some picks and this is the type of assets the team does not need right now. I think they will value "keeping the band together" until the end of the season higher then any asset they can get (this is assuming that no team make a crazy offer for one of them).

Also, trading one of them beg the question, who replace them in the line up, and none of them have NHL ready replacement within the organization. You can make the case that Beck can replace Dvorak or Mailloux can replace Savard, but consensus right now are that these two would benefit from staying in Laval for the rest of the season.

Regardless, MTL need to stay in the mix until TDL. If they fall behind, then I would think they would trade some of the UFA.

 

[sampollock]

I'd be shocked if we used both picks to draft players.

I am on the same thinking.
one of those is going for a centre or RD

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah that was a good argument.

I never say never on improving any position, but I am comfortable holding with our current projected forward corps for next year. The questions for me up front is who will be in the bottom 6 and who do we attempt to resign. I'd probably resign Evans and let Dvorak walk. Resign Armia as well. Promote Beck and possible Kapanen.

My biggest focus right now would be on RD. Andersson is the most likely to move target, but I would really want Dobson.

Rolling next year with this lineup.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Heinemen - Evans - Armia
Donkey - Beck - Gally

Hutson - Andersson/Dobson
Guhle - Matheson
Xhekaj - Carrier

I love Dobson's potential but when he is age 25+. Right now, Matheson gets you the same value for someone like Dobson. Go look at their hits, blocks, giveaways, takeawwys, points, Corsi for and zone starts.

He wanted to play in Montreal as well, did he not? If a veteran winner like O’Reilly is available, we gotta chase him. His impact in our younger players would be fantastic.

I like ROR's game but he's aging and I doubt this Ontario boy will bring his heart with him to play for the Habs. He said no to staying with the Leafs and I bet you he does not want to be in a hot market.

 

[Egresch]

I never had this much of a FOMO with a player then with Dach. Before I trade him, I would try him as a W to a more skilled C, or even as a 3C....

I see him more as 3W. They said he spent a ton of time in coaching room last year and I was expecting some improvement of his defense. He improved his offense recently, but he is still pretty lost on defensive coverage. I am afraid this has nothing to do with his injuries. Third line of Dach-Beck-Newhook/Heineman looks good to me.

 

[Habssince89]

I like ROR's game but he's aging and I doubt this Ontario boy will bring his heart with him to play for the Habs. He said no to staying with the Leafs and I bet you he does not want to be in a hot market.

You make a good point here but let's not forget the ROR of a few years ago sees his remaining career differently than now. Plus that leafs team is a contender at the peak of its window, and he decided to go elsewhere. Could be different with a very young team that's just about to become a playoff team, and could more easily this year if ROR joined. I doubt he comes here, but I don't think him being an Ontario boy will matter

 

[Vachon23]

 

[sampollock]

IF and I mean IF they traded for EP
the top 2 lines are not tough enough
KH needs even if they don't get EP getting some tougher players to play against

 

[ReHabs]

A man possessed. Wow, incredible stuff.

A 1-2 punch of Suzuki and EP40 would be breath-taking.