HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[Gustave]

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Includes some RFAs, like Bouchard, Dobson, but that's a whole lot of nothing.

Habs to get a good RD is through trade and you're likely looking at Reinbacher being part of the package for a guy like Seider, or potentially Bouchard/Dobson next year. That's also just the RD without a contract.

If the Habs did swing big for Bouchard they could put Hutson in that deal, but those are big time deals.

Jesus how bad is the RD pool in the NHL? I’ve been perusing the potential targets and it’s a sad collection honestly. Not hard to understand why all three top rated RD went before any and all top rated LD this draft (last three drafts if you want to extend your research).

We’ll have to pay to get a good one for the long term. This is where I’m ok with « losing » the trade to make one. Let’s see if Hugo can prevail and go where MB refused to when getting the needed position ( C in MB’s days) to prop up the team.

When a David Savard is a top option even at this point in his career, you know the RD pool is terrible league wide.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Jesus how bad is the RD pool in the NHL? I’ve been perusing the potential targets and it’s a sad collection honestly. Not hard to understand why all three top rated RD went before any and all top rated LD this draft (last three drafts if you want to extend your research).

We’ll have to pay to get a good one for the long term. This is where I’m ok with « losing » the trade to make one. Let’s see if Hugo can prevail and go where MB refused to when getting the needed position ( C in MB’s days) to prop up the team.

When a David Savard is a top option even at this point in his career, you know the RD pool is terrible league wide.

Most of us are right handed and learn to shoot left when holding a hockey stick. It's just natural. There are exceptions where right handed people shoot right. It's rare. Why would NHL players be any different. RDs have always been a hot commodity in the NHL, along with tall physical centers and generational goalies.

 

[HuGort]

Trading Caufield is definitely a possibility. We can't fall in love with our players. The goal is a cup.

What? Why?

Jesus how bad is the RD pool in the NHL? I’ve been perusing the potential targets and it’s a sad collection honestly. Not hard to understand why all three top rated RD went before any and all top rated LD this draft (last three drafts if you want to extend your research).

We’ll have to pay to get a good one for the long term. This is where I’m ok with « losing » the trade to make one. Let’s see if Hugo can prevail and go where MB refused to when getting the needed position ( C in MB’s days) to prop up the team.

When a David Savard is a top option even at this point in his career, you know the RD pool is terrible league wide.

Probably going to have to overpay to get stud right D. I like Bouchard. He's big, mobile, high offensive, plays better under pressure and from here.

 

[Sunfyre]

What? Why?


Probably going to have to overpay to get stud right D. I like Bouchard. He's big, mobile, high offensive, plays better under pressure and from here.

Bouchard is resigning with Edm, so 0 chance. Doubt Hugo would be even interested. Paying him 10+ mil for his questionable defence and his offensive numbers won’t be anywhere close to last seasons when not playing on that Edmontons overpowered 1PP. He’s just a slightly better, younger, RD version of Mike Matheson with similar flaws

 

[Habs Halifax]

Bouchard is resigning with Edm, so 0 chance. Doubt Hugo would be even interested. Paying him 10+ mil for his questionable defence and his offensive numbers won’t be anywhere close to last seasons when not playing on that Edmontons overpowered 1PP. He’s just a slightly better, younger, RD version of Mike Matheson with similar flaws

Yup, lots of fans pumping up Bouchard and his padded stats by playing on a stacked PP. Make no mistake, he's young and improving and playing well but I see it being overblown.

Bouchard is not a complete Dman. Certainly a solid top 4D who is still maturing but he's not a top pairing stud. You put him on the Habs last season and the results are night and day difference. Bouchard has lots to learn to provide steady D. He still has lots of time to improve in that area but today, he is not the star on D some fans think he is.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

What? Why?


Probably going to have to overpay to get stud right D. I like Bouchard. He's big, mobile, high offensive, plays better under pressure and from here.

Bouchard is from Oakville, although he did take French immersion until grade 10.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Probably going to have to overpay to get stud right D. I like Bouchard. He's big, mobile, high offensive, plays better under pressure and from here.

Maybe I'm not seeing what other posters here see, but to this writer, Bouchard is far from being mobile. In fact, it was Bouchard's lack of mobility that was so devastatingly exploited by Florida during the finals last year. The efforts to compare Bouchard to Matheson is really off base. I can't think of two defenceman who are more dissimilar. One (Matheson) whose game is built around his elite skating ability and the other (Bouchard) around his elite offensive vision and skill. If we could marry Bouchard's skill set to Matheson's skating, we would have another Makar.

 

[CaptnNemo]

Most of us are right handed and learn to shoot left when holding a hockey stick. It's just natural. There are exceptions where right handed people shoot right. It's rare. Why would NHL players be any different. RDs have always been a hot commodity in the NHL, along with tall physical centers and generational goalies.

Too bad I'm 49 I'd be a commodity
I'm a natural right handed person and shoot right with the stick.

I also throw with the right but used to bat both sides when playing ball in my teens.

 

[Deebs]

Maybe I'm not seeing what other posters here see, but to this writer, Bouchard is far from being mobile. In fact, it was Bouchard's lack of mobility that was so devastatingly exploited by Florida during the finals last year. The efforts to compare Bouchard to Matheson is really off base. I can't think of two defenceman who are more dissimilar. One (Matheson) whose game is built around his elite skating ability and the other (Bouchard) around his elite offensive vision and skill. If we could marry Bouchard's skill set to Matheson's skating, we would have another Makar.

Except Makar is also very solid defensively where the other two aren't. Makar is the best defenseman on the planet

 

[Benstheman]

We will need to go the trade route to get a solid top 4 RHD. That's ok, we have a lot of ammo to get a trade done.

 

[Egresch]

Like i said, what you do with Caufield if Laine outperform him in the next 2 years?

Laine scores 50 and Cole just 40 each season, I do nothing just enjoy the ride and extend Laine

We will need to go the trade route to get a solid top 4 RHD. That's ok, we have a lot of ammo to get a trade done.

First, they want to see how good Barron, Mailloux and Reinbacher are before making any big trade for RHD. And we still have Guhle or Engstrom among our young Ds who can play right side effectively.
I do not understand the hate on Barron if you consider how weak RHD group is in the league overall. There are just 5 defensemen in whole league who are U24 and played more games last year: Schneider, Faber, Seider, Spence, Nemec.

 

[Lockin17]

Should we try to get him ?
He ad a great year in the AHL,
6,4 , 23 years old
Could fit on our 3rd line or 4th ?

Florian-Beck-Lavoie ??

 

[Team_Spirit]

Should we try to get him ?
He ad a great year in the AHL,
6,4 , 23 years old
Could fit on our 3rd line or 4th ?

Florian-Beck-Lavoie ??

On waivers why not

Who did the picks end up being? Bergevin masterclass

https://x.com/i/web/status/1831522232700694750

 

[rahad]

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Should we try to get him ?
He ad a great year in the AHL,
6,4 , 23 years old
Could fit on our 3rd line or 4th ?

Florian-Beck-Lavoie ??

I don't believe Edmonton will trade young player right. They already lost 2 young player to the ST Louis Blues.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Beck and our first if +/- top 10 as a base for Andersson, yay or nay ?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Beck and our first if +/- top 10 as a base for Andersson, yay or nay ?

I think Beck is one of those untouchable players right now. He's a position of need moving forward with Dvo and Evans being UFA's and young and cheap. More likely to see another prospect or pick(s) as Flames are rebuilding, maybe trade them back their 1st?

 

[habsfan891]

Most of us are right handed and learn to shoot left when holding a hockey stick. It's just natural. There are exceptions where right handed people shoot right. It's rare. Why would NHL players be any different. RDs have always been a hot commodity in the NHL, along with tall physical centers and generational goalies.

Funny enough I'm left handed and shoot right.

 

[Benstheman]

Beck and our first if +/- top 10 as a base for Andersson, yay or nay ?

As a big big R.Andersson's fan, not this summer. You don't take that kind of risk for a player you are not sure you will extend long term.

Now next summer, i would do Beck + Habs 2026 1st for Andersson if he comes with an extension.

If the trade happens this summer, Matheson as to go the other way with a B prospect of their choice. Mesar, Barron, Kapanen, Struble, Engstrom kinda prospect. Maybe add a 2nd or 3rd pick.

Habs can't afford to trade a future core assets for a guy with contract uncertainty going forard.

 

[HuGort]

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Should we try to get him ?
He ad a great year in the AHL,
6,4 , 23 years old
Could fit on our 3rd line or 4th ?

Florian-Beck-Lavoie ??

I don't know. I remember his draft year having him as do not draft

 

[HuGo Sham]

Funny enough I'm left handed and shoot right.

me too. It's the rest of you that are weird.

I've had this friendly argument many times with fellow righty hockey players. why the hell wouldn't i want to place my stronger left hand and arm closer to the blade?

 

[HuGort]

Beck and our first if +/- top 10 as a base for Andersson, yay or nay ?

Probably no. May throw ton of money at Andersson though if he reaches UFA. He's quality veteran for our youth but Beck I don't want to part with. Our first I like to keep also. Having good young players on ELC going to be important on cup contender. Lets us Carry another star

 

[McGees]

Obviously you want him for free as a UFA....
but what would be your BEST offer for Crosby, knowing he will sign extension?

Would be a perfect fit moving forward.

 

[HuGort]

Obviously you want him for free as a UFA....
but what would be your BEST offer for Crosby, knowing he will sign extension?

Would be a perfect fit moving forward.

Bit of loaded question. Obviously love to have Crosby but no way Pitt trades him. Some of it according to what they want? At deadline if Pitt out of playoff picture and we in playoff race. Crosby wants to play for a Cup? Probably Mesar, Miami first, Struble?

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

me too. It's the rest of you that are weird.

I've had this friendly argument many times with fellow righty hockey players. why the hell wouldn't i want to place my stronger left hand and arm closer to the blade?

As a right handed person, shooting left with a stick I can relate.

 

[vokiel]

Obviously you want him for free as a UFA....
but what would be your BEST offer for Crosby, knowing he will sign extension?

Would be a perfect fit moving forward.

Konyushkov or Barron, Kapanen or Mesar, CGY/FLA 1st, CLB 2nd.

That's if the team is confident in making the playoffs. Sid wouldn't join otherwise I think.

Edit: With a good roster player: Newhook + CGY/FLA 1st, Habs 2nd ?