HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[McGuires Corndog]

so trade savard, trade for letang, sign crosby after contract?

The last thing the Habs need is Letang.

 

[Ieatsht4brkfst]

The last thing the Habs need is Letang.

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

Only if the Pens take Anderson or Gallagher at full pop and retain 50% on Letang.

 

[Kwikwi]

Caufield hitting 35-40 goals would be huge too

Caufiled just need a good shot % this year. Not insane, but last year it was way low

 

[salbutera]

Buff seemed to be a guy that played hockey because he happened to be good at it.

I think he would rather be on a boat somewhere catching fish and just decided that he had enough hockey.

Buff said precisely that when he announced he was done w NHL pro hockey, he wanted to stay on his boat and go fishing. He still occasionally subs / plays in the summer league NHLers have in Minny w other pro sports athletes also joining in…. think it’s called Da Beauty League. John Scott is the player / Commish and Danny Kristo (remember him?) is one of the coaches

 

[DAChampion]

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

Is Crosby a sidekick?

 

[Scintillating10]

so trade savard, trade for letang, sign crosby after contract?

I imagine many Habs fans would do that in a second. Lol

If Letang helps acquire Crosby at deadline I'm all for it. Probably package Savard in this trade? If he fetchs a first Pitt can flip him. Same as giving Pens a first. Maybe include Dvorak? Same as giving them a 2nd. That's a first and second for Crosby plus take on Letang

 

[Captain Mountain]

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

How's the deal work out and what contract is Crosby going for?

Because moves like those change the math for Montreal dramatically. Letang is signed through his age 40 season, its pretty risky that the game of a guy with his medical history will age better than almost every elite to near elite D-man of the last 30 years. You also have to sign Crosby at 38 for definitely big salary (zero problem with that) and potentially term (may be an issue). What's adding 16-20 mil in AAV do to this team in one offseason, especially when it lines up to new contracts for other guys?

You'd need at least 50% retention on Letang while not giving up anything of value and you probably end up trading Dach somewhere. You're also basically committed to that path moving forward with no flexibility for the next couple of years.

I just don't see how it could work in a way that Pittburgh would be on board with.

I imagine many Habs fans would do that in a second. Lol

If Letang helps acquire Crosby at deadline I'm all for it. Probably package Savard in this trade? If he fetchs a first Pitt can flip him. Same as giving Pens a first. Maybe include Dvorak? Same as giving them a 2nd. That's a first and second for Crosby plus take on Letang

Dubas would piss himself laughing at that offer. There is a very slight chance Savard would have the value of a 1st as a rental, there is almost no chance Dvorak will have the value of a 2nd. And if Pittburgh is selling, they're not taking guys to flip, they're taking futures. Montreal would need to do the legwork.

 

[Deus ex machina]

How's the deal work out and what contract is Crosby going for?

Because moves like those change the math for Montreal dramatically. Letang is signed through his age 40 season, its pretty risky that the game of a guy with his medical history will age better than almost every elite to near elite D-man of the last 30 years. You also have to sign Crosby at 38 for definitely big salary (zero problem with that) and potentially term (may be an issue). What's adding 16-20 mil in AAV do to this team in one offseason, especially when it lines up to new contracts for other guys?

You'd need at least 50% retention on Letang while not giving up anything of value and you probably end up trading Dach somewhere. You're also basically committed to that path moving forward with no flexibility for the next couple of years.

I just don't see how it could work in a way that Pittburgh would be on board with.



Dubas would piss himself laughing at that offer. There is a very slight chance Savard would have the value of a 1st as a rental, there is almost no chance Dvorak will have the value of a 2nd. And if Pittburgh is selling, they're not taking guys to flip, they're taking futures. Montreal would need to do the legwork.

Crosby, like Letang, has a full no move clause. He can decide where he will go, removing all leverage for Dubas.
If the Habs take Letang's contract along with Crosby, that should also lessen any return PIT may get for Crosby.
It's more about granting the wishes of those guys anyway, out of respect.
Like with Patrick Kane when Chicago traded him to NYR for only a 2nd, or something like that.
That's the only way i can see the Habs doing this, if those guys force their way to MTL.
I don't think they'd give significant assets for a short term fix.

I think Letang medical history could be used as an advantage. He'd have a good justification to go on LTIR after 2 years.
Otherwise it doesn't work for the Habs.

Not sure why the Habs would have to trade Dach. They'd need him to play with Crosby.
But i agree that Savard doesn't make sense for PIT.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Crosby, like Letang, has a full no move clause. He can decide where he will go, removing all leverage for Dubas.
If the Habs take Letang's contract along with Crosby, that should also lessen any return PIT may get for Crosby.
It's more about granting the wishes of those guys anyway, out of respect.
Like with Patrick Kane when Chicago traded him to NYR for only a 2nd, or something like that.
That's the only way i can see the Habs doing this, if those guys force their way to MTL.
I don't think they'd give significant assets for a short term fix.

I think Letang medical history could be used as an advantage. He'd have a good justification to go on LTIR after 2 years.
Otherwise it doesn't work for the Habs.

Not sure why the Habs would have to trade Dach. They'd need him to play with Crosby.
But i agree that Savard doesn't make sense for PIT.

If Crosby is being traded at the deadline/in season, it will be to win a cup. Kane wanted to win a cup, not go to one specific team (which is why he's not still a Ranger).

Letang also has the history that lets him just retire, which would completely screw Montreal. And you don't want to trade for anyone mid rebuild at that cap hit if you're already thinking about LTIRetirement.

And where are you getting the space to sign Dach if you're paying Letang over 6 and Crosby likely over 10 mil? Unless Laine is not expected to be a Hab after his contract is up. I'm also not sure why you think Dach would be playing with Crosby over, say, Laine and Demidov.

Its not a slam dunk to add two late 30s players to a team mid-rebuild who just had the 5th worst record. There's got to be planning involved.

 

[vokiel]

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

If Letang commits to a sex change, I'd do it.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If Crosby is being traded at the deadline/in season, it will be to win a cup. Kane wanted to win a cup, not go to one specific team (which is why he's not still a Ranger).

Letang also has the history that lets him just retire, which would completely screw Montreal. And you don't want to trade for anyone mid rebuild at that cap hit if you're already thinking about LTIRetirement.

And where are you getting the space to sign Dach if you're paying Letang over 6 and Crosby likely over 10 mil? Unless Laine is not expected to be a Hab after his contract is up. I'm also not sure why you think Dach would be playing with Crosby over, say, Laine and Demidov.

Its not a slam dunk to add two late 30s players to a team mid-rebuild who just had the 5th worst record. There's got to be planning involved.

I'm pretty sure Kane asked to play with the Rangers specifically. That's the main reason Chicago didn't get much for him.

Letang and Kent Hugues are friends. Of course he wouldn't screw the Habs.
Like i said, if Letang wants to come to MTL, he can't count on the cap for more than 2 years. He has to go on LTIR after 2.
Habs can fit him for 2 years, but not more.

Of course, it takes planning. Habs still have a lot of cap space for this year and the next. After that, it gets more complicated.
A lot will depend on if the Habs keep Laine and Matheson. But there's a possibility to keep Crosby without trading Dach.
It wouldn't make sense to trade Dach just to keep Crosby for another year or two.

Demidov will arrive next season and will be a rookie. It's still possible he pushes Dach to the 3rd line in this scenario, or not.
I don't see this as a problem either way.

This whole scenario is to make use of the available cap space for the next 2 years, but it's not likely to happen.

 

[Scintillating10]

Dubas would piss himself laughing at that offer. There is a very slight chance Savard would have the value of a 1st as a rental, there is almost no chance Dvorak will have the value of a 2nd. And if Pittburgh is selling, they're not taking guys to flip, they're taking futures. Montreal would need to do the legwork.

That can be arranged. Thought of getting Crosby he's the veteran star for this young team.

 

[Mayday1980]

This season is now fairly simple on the trade agenda. If in February we're hunting for a playoff spot or are in a spot = no one gets traded away.

If we're heading for a bottom 10 finish then Savard, Dvo and Armia are out the door for the future picks/prospects we can gain.

If Anderson or Gallagher play well enough to garner any sort of trade interest you plug your nose and pay the other GM. (Within reason)

Then you pray that PIT stinks and Crosby waxes nostalgic about winning a cup in MTL and you sign him for 5 years at 5mill per with a guarantee we'll hunt for the cup the entire time he's here lol.

It'd be nice if some the big name UFAs make it to market in 2025 but most never do

 

[Benstheman]

I’d pay a fair amount of picks/prospects for Crosby if he wants to come here and sign a 3-4 years extension. Pittsburgh would be stupid to let this pass. They need to sell and go for McKenna in two years.

 

[eklund the clown]

We don't need Crosby or Letang .Both on the back end of their careers and cost way too much.

 

[calder candidate]

We don't need Crosby or Letang .Both on the back end of their careers and cost way too much.

We have no use for Letang we can use Crosby if he want to sign as a UFA, we can’t sacrifice or tie up too much of future cap long term on a player that will only help short term.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

We don't need Crosby or Letang .Both on the back end of their careers and cost way too much.

Even at his age Crosby would be our best player he just put up a 95 pts season…

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Caufiled just need a good shot % this year. Not insane, but last year it was way low

Even at 13 percent, he’d have had 41 goals. At 16 percent it would have been 50.

 

[Saundies]

if it guarentees you crosby, do you do it?

If it guaranteed us Crosby I'd take Letang, Malkin, and any other scrub they want to get rid of.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I’d pay a fair amount of picks/prospects for Crosby if he wants to come here and sign a 3-4 years extension. Pittsburgh would be stupid to let this pass. They need to sell and go for McKenna in two years.

Not paying anything for him. Either he comes as an FA or forget it.

 

[Nevins]

I never liked the selection of Mesar at 26nd in 2022. To say that they preferred this player to Bystedt, Kulich, Lampureux, Lambert, Firkus,Minten,Casey, Luneau, Poitras....Would you agree to trade him?

 

[Saundies]

We don't need Crosby or Letang .Both on the back end of their careers and cost way too much.

Probably the most outlandish take I've ever seen on this site.

40 year old Sidney Crosby would be the best Hab since Guy LaFleur, and that's not hyperbole.

We're not talking about getting an over-the-hill Eric Staal here. C'mon.

 

[Andrei79]

We have no use for Letang we can use Crosby if he want to sign as a UFA, we can’t sacrifice or tie up too much of future cap long term on a player that will only help short term.

I feel Crosby is exactly what this team needs actually. An old washed up Jagr did wonders to Floridas core. He'd be an incredible example to the younger players on the team. But, Crosby's a Penguins for life. Guy hasn't even changed his jockstrap yet, he won't change his team.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I never liked the selection of Mesar at 26nd in 2022. To say that they preferred this player to Bystedt, Kulich, Lampureux, Lambert, Firkus,Minten,Casey, Luneau, Poitras....Would you agree to trade him?

Only 2 or 3 of those players would be better choices.