HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024 Off-Season Thread

[DAChampion]

I want to see dach play 70 games this year. I don’t even count him in the top 6 right now.

A lot of the same posters who are assuming that the Habs' entire top six will be healthy are also assuming that Laine will never again be healthy.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Roy - Dach - Laine
Gallagher - Newhook - Armia (did great in 2023-24)
Pez - Evan's - Dvo

Pezzetta is not a regular NHL caliber player.
He's ok as an extra, but if he starts the season on the top12, they're in trouble.

But anyway, my main point is not who would replace Anderson, but the good assets that would be wasted just to get rid of him.
I don't see Hugues doing this at all.
No GM wants to do this unless they're really desperate. Like Calgary with the Monahan trade when they wanted to sign Kadri and needed the cap space.
And Anderson has a NTC.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Don’t you think this is easily resolved?

If it's so easily resolved, why didn't you resolve it yet?

 

[Habby4Life]

Roy is totally meh to me. Not big. Not fast. Like. Meh. And lot have him in the top six. lol.

He is an ok prospect thats all. In the top 6, lol, if so, the top six is hot GARBAGE.

 

[ReHabs]

Roy is totally meh to me. Not big. Not fast. Like. Meh. And lot have him in the top six. lol.

I want his success of course. Hope he kicks ass but he needs to earn it organically… giving him a guaranteed spot is strange. And if he fails to get a spot we shouldn’t run with Anderson or Gallagher stinkin’ up the top6.

Earlier I mused maybe Pacioretty wouldn’t be bad as a bit part low-cost acquisition for a year but he’s a big time family man and wouldn’t want to drag his family back to Canada and at that point I dunno if he’s got the wheels left.

Maybe some middle6ers are available after or as all the RFAs are signings happen.

If it's so easily resolved, why didn't you resolve it yet?

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[Rapala]

I think that a lot of posters on here who lack life experience exaggerate how unique the Montreal market is.

Back when Jagr was a free agent, some people said he would sign here because Montreal has a casino (I'm serious). What those posters didn't realize is that they also have casinos in other markets.

Similarly here, some may think that Montreal is unique in making drugs, alcohol, clubbing, etc available to good looking millionaire athletes. It's not.

Stress is what I was actually referring to not any of the other stuff.
The pressure a player making 8.5 million dollars will put on himself in our market.
It takes a certain mind set to cope in our market a mind set I'm not sure Patrik has.

 

[Deus ex machina]

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I've asked you who would you replace Anderson with and you implied that it would be easy to find but you failed to give a name.
Is this another type of simple question that you're unable to answer?

 

[DAChampion]

I've asked you who would you replace Anderson with and you implied that it would be easy to find but you failed to give a name.
Is this another type of simple question that you're unable to answer?

Anderson has checked out, guys like him are available on the waiver wire every October.

 

[Deebs]

Anderson has checked out, guys like him are available on the waiver wire every October.

Not sure about that just yet. We'll see how he is during the fist month of the season and then adjust accordingly

 

[26Mats]

Pezzetta is not a regular NHL caliber player.
He's ok as an extra, but if he starts the season on the top12, they're in trouble.

But anyway, my main point is not who would replace Anderson, but the good assets that would be wasted just to get rid of him.
I don't see Hugues doing this at all.
No GM wants to do this unless they're really desperate. Like Calgary with the Monahan trade when they wanted to sign Kadri and needed the cap space.
And Anderson has a NTC.

I was more thinking it might cost a 1st to land Laine, and not just a 2nd. But Columbus may take back Amderson to balance the salaries.

With what Huges did with the Chiarot and Monhan 1sts (Newhook and Hage), I don't want to lose that 1st. But if Hughes thinks Laine will be a redemption case and even better than Newhook, I'm ok with giving up a late 1st - especially of we get to move Anderson too. If Laone works out, that's enough of a good use of a 1st. If he doesn't moving Anderson's extra year of a contract out isn't that bad. Hughes could do a lot with an extra 5.5M in cap space in a year we should be contending (2026-27).

Bit yeah, you don't give up a 1st to get rid of Anderson. You do it if you believe Laine can turn it back around and be a core piece, a finisher for playmaker Dach to play with.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Demidov - Dach - Laine
Roy - Hage - Newhook

 

[Sterling Archer]

Anderson has checked out, guys like him are available on the waiver wire every October.

I think this is the play well or get traded year. If he doesn’t rebound like the last off year he had, I can’t imagine he’ll be back next year.

 

[Habby4Life]

Anderson has checked out, guys like him are available on the waiver wire every October.

If he isn’t going to score or play physical, any call up from Laval can replace him. A Zero production player is easy to find.

 

[ReHabs]

I've asked you who would you replace Anderson with and you implied that it would be easy to find but you failed to give a name.
Is this another type of simple question that you're unable to answer?

I think it can be solved by Hughes easily. I am not checked in on the NHL trade market though to name names. You don’t think Hughes can solve it?

 

[Whalers Fan]

I don't see how getting Laine for Anderson really helps anything... I don't love the Anderson contract obviously, but he has way less red flags. It's not like we need the cap space right away...

We will see but I get the feeling Columbus is not dealing from a position of strength... I doubt the demand is very high for Laine..

Laine for Anderson is an easy YES for the Habs, but I cannot see Columbus agreeing to such a deal (and Anderson may have them on his no-trade list). Laine's contract is one year less than Anderson's, which easily outweighs the couple million dollar per year difference. Laine would at least have the potential, if he can stay healthy, to contribute offensively. At this point, Anderson realistically contributes almost nothing.

It's a moot point, though, because such a trade isn't happening.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I want to see dach play 70 games this year. I don’t even count him in the top 6 right now.

By all accounts he's fully healthy. Last year's injury was a fluke and unrelated to the wrist.

I agree it's make or break for him. If he's out for an extended period of time then we'll have to look at alternatives. But for now we should plan on him playing a full season.

We aren't a playoff team this year anyway. It's the perfect time to give him and developing players ice time to show what they can do. We have a bunch of young players who've been limited by injury. Some may not make it, some may get hurt... let's see what we have. I personally am expecting our offense to be good and our D to be very bad. The goalies probably played above their head last year and a green D is not going to help.

Hugo has said he wants help in the top six. Okay cool. But I don't think Laine is a guy I'd want to go with.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Anderson has checked out, guys like him are available on the waiver wire every October.

Yeah, at the end of last season, he seemed to be completely lost and was just playing not to get hurt again.
The season started badly for him and it snowballed.

But i'm not sure how you can conclude it'll be the same scenario next season.
I'd rather still take a chance on him than a waiver wire claim. They don't have much of a choice anyway.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Laine for Anderson is an easy YES for the Habs, but I cannot see Columbus agreeing to such a deal (and Anderson may have them on his no-trade list). Laine's contract is one year less than Anderson's, which easily outweighs the couple million dollar per year difference. Laine would at least have the potential, if he can stay healthy, to contribute offensively. At this point, Anderson realistically contributes almost nothing.

It's a moot point, though, because such a trade isn't happening.

Yeah, that move is a no brainer from our standpoint but why the hell would Columbus do it?

A dump is fine. By all means take Laine under that circumstance as he could turn into another Monahan where we trade him at the end. But to give up real assets for him? Pass. I don't think Columbus is just going to give him away.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

A lot of the same posters who are assuming that the Habs' entire top six will be healthy are also assuming that Laine will never again be healthy.

Injuries will happen, no doubt. Nobody has said otherwise.

But if injuries are your concern and you want to mitigate that risk, then it doesn't make sense to do it by adding an injury prone guy who's coming off shoulder surgery. Especially when he makes 8 mil a year.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He is an ok prospect thats all. In the top 6, lol, if so, the top six is hot GARBAGE.

We don't know what Roy's ceiling is. IMO at worst he is a very good 3rd line centre. Newhook - Dach - Roy is a good 2nd line at this point. When the Habs have 2 or 3 better forwards they will be a Cup contender.

 

[DAChampion]

Injuries will happen, no doubt. Nobody has said otherwise.

But if injuries are your concern and you want to mitigate that risk, then it doesn't make sense to do it by adding an injury prone guy who's coming off shoulder surgery. Especially when he makes 8 mil a year.

Laine is a buy low option, but if Hughes is willing to pay a steeper price (e.g. both 2025 1sts + Engstrom +Beck) for an allegedly safer bet, that works too.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We don't know what Roy's ceiling is. IMO at worst he is a very good 3rd line centre. Newhook - Dach - Roy is a good 2nd line at this point. When the Habs have 2 or 3 better forwards they will be a Cup contender.

Roy is not a sure thing. I like him and his potential but he's raw and doesn't have great skating. That's mitigated by his IQ and great hands. I'd bet on him becoming a pretty good player. I'd like to give him all the ice we can.

The other two I have full confidence in. Newhook is a secondary scorer and will be fine on the second line. Under different circumstances I think Dach may have been able to be a first line talent. He's great. Size, passing... health has gotten in the way and that's his big question mark. A healthy season though? 50 points easy. Might be 60-70. Great upside with him.

As we develop more talent guys like Newhook and Roy will be pushed dwon to the 3rd. At that point we'll have great scoring depth. Demidov is top six for sure and if Hugo adds another player then that player can either go to the 3rd or second depending on how Roy does. We're in really good shape going forward up front. Health is always the wildcard but you can't predict that.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Laine is a buy low option, but if Hughes is willing to pay a steeper price (e.g. both 2025 1sts + Engstrom +Beck) for an allegedly safer bet, that works too.

I hate the idea of trading away Beck. Hate it. I think he's going to be exactly the kind of support player you need to win in the playoffs. He's not untouchable and I'd be willing to move him but it would have to be a can't pass it up type deal.

Engstrom, draft picks (including two firsts)... it's all on the table as far as I'm concerned for the right guy. But it would have to be a really good player/prospect. Preferably a power forward. We have a crap ton to trade with including an excess of good yound depth LDs.

I would rather go in that direction than Laine.

 

[ReHabs]

We don't know what Roy's ceiling is. IMO at worst he is a very good 3rd line centre. Newhook - Dach - Roy is a good 2nd line at this point. When the Habs have 2 or 3 better forwards they will be a Cup contender.

At worst he is not quick enough for the NHL and remains a tweener. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen but penciling him in our future lineups is premature.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I think it can be solved by Hughes easily. I am not checked in on the NHL trade market though to name names. You don’t think Hughes can solve it?

It's a bit late for that. UFA market is pretty much over. Teams want to keep their NHL caliber players at this point.

 

[The Great Weal]

At worst he is not quick enough for the NHL and remains a tweener. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen but penciling him in our future lineups is premature.

I can't think of a player who has as much hockey smarts and talent as Roy who fails at becoming a 2nd liner let alone a consistent NHLer. The guy did a great job on the 2nd line at the NHL level before his injury. Obviously, he needs to work on his athleticism, but doubting his IQ and skills is silly. The number of times he looked like he was skating in mud yet always managed to make the right move with positioning and/or play consistently sets him up to contribute offensively.

He's far from a tweener and is closer to becoming a 2nd liner in my books. I expect a Tyler Toffoli-like impact in his prime.