HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs Halifax]

I am talking about comparison because it was stated we have one of the top bottom 6 scoring lines in the league, and I was providing context that they are also likely one of the most expensive. I wasn't "shitting" on them. I have been singing the praises of our bottom 6 the entire season.

I understand. Didn't say you were crapping on them. I just think we need to put the overpaid part in the past. Let them play reduced roles and if we have the better bottom 6 in the NHL at the same time we have unused cap space, so be it.

No doubt in my mind that the Habs are going to get lots of phone calls for this so called "deadweight". When you look across the NHL, there are so many contenders with depth issues.

While you are probably right, the patient in this regard is certainly starting to breathe heavily.

Won't be anything wrong if Roy ends up a middle 6F type. It doesn't have to be a top 6 vs bottom 6 definitive line with Beck, Kapanen, and Roy. The 3rd line is important too and sometimes, you spread your talent over those 3 lines and someone like Roy would be "listed" on the 2nd line.

I'm still a Roy hopeful.

 

[Benstheman]

It's a dream of mind and I do think Crosby picks either the Avs or Habs if he decides to leave the Pens. With that NMC, it does play into our favor a bit.

Pens are not making a good long term decision if they choose rebuild too late. They have assets they can trade now for futures that accelerate a rebuild. It's a good opportunity but something tells me their pride will get in the way

If Pittsburgh don't make the playoffs this season, they will tear it down this summer so they have a good shot at McKenna in 2026 and Dupont in 2027.

And I'm part of the group of people that think Crosby's contract is constructed to facilitate a trade. And he will accept to be traded because he knows that's what's best for the franchise going forward.

Now with what team he will accept to be traded, your guess is good as mine. Maybe if Habs makes the playoffs this season and do relatively good, and with Demidov's coming, he might think it's a great idea to finish his career here with a certain chance at the cup.

 

[Goalfield13]

I understand. Didn't say you were crapping on them. I just think we need to put the overpaid part in the past. Let them play reduced roles and if we have the better bottom 6 in the NHL at the same time we have unused cap space, so be it.

No doubt in my mind that the Habs are going to get lots of phone calls for this so called "deadweight". When you look across the NHL, there are so many contenders with depth issues.



Won't be anything wrong if Roy ends up a middle 6F type. It doesn't have to be a top 6 vs bottom 6 definitive line. The 3rd line is important too and sometimes, you spread your talent over those 3 lines and someone like Roy would be "listed" on the 2nd line.

I'm still a Roy hopeful.

If we continue as we are, I only see Dvorak and Savard being traded. Beck can and should replace Dvorak.

 

[salbutera]

If we continue as we are, I only see Dvorak and Savard being traded. Beck can and should replace Dvorak.

Wouldn’t it be something if Toews is deemed good to return to NHL level play by scouts & HuGo manage to ink him to a contract for this season…

 

[sampollock]

To be fair, I bet our bottom 6 is also one of the most expensive.

Gallagher $6.5
Anderson $5.5
Dvorak $4.45
Armia $3.4
Evans $1.7
Heineman $0.8975
Total: $22.4475

It's a luxury we can afford right now, which is nice.

Dvoark gone
armia gone


evans pay raise

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we continue as we are, I only see Dvorak and Savard being traded. Beck can and should replace Dvorak.

I think Gorton/Hughes are also concerned about taking talent from Laval for their run as well.

Dvorak might stay and expire because the offer might be a 4th or worse. I see more value with letting Beck finish his season in Laval then a 4th for Dvorak.

With Savard, we picked up Carrier which was smart. If Savard is traded, does Struble take the spot and who do we call up?

 

[salbutera]

Dvoark gone
armia gone


evans pay raise

Not sure Armia’s necessarily gonzo

 

[sampollock]

Not sure Armia’s necessarily gonzo

stays for less money then
2 mill for 3 years

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not sure Armia’s necessarily gonzo

I agree. I think there is a fair chance he stays on a very good team friendly deal.

 

[Rapala]

If Pittsburgh don't make the playoffs this season, they will tear it down this summer so they have a good shot at McKenna in 2026 and Dupont in 2027.

And I'm part of the group of people that think Crosby's contract is constructed to facilitate a trade. And he will accept to be traded because he knows that's what's best for the franchise going forward.

Now with what team he will accept to be traded, your guess is good as mine. Maybe if Habs makes the playoffs this season and do relatively good, and with Demidov's coming, he might think it's a great idea to finish his career here with a certain chance at the cup.

I think Crosby stays and Malkin is the bait.

 

[Deebs]

Not sure Armia’s necessarily gonzo

He better be.

 

[Habs Halifax]

stays for less money then

I can't remember where I heard or read this but Armia wants to stay and that might mean he knows that it has to make sense for the team. He would be dumb if he thinks we are offering him a UFA competitive contract.

2 years at $2.5M AAV (max offer). That's a good bridge to allow time for our youth to develop more. This whole blocking narrative is BS. Let those secondary parts develop in Laval... just like Heineman and Evans did.

I think Crosby stays and Malkin is the bait.

Yes probably true but Malkin would be the first of the dominions. Crosby can try to convince himself all he wants that he is OK loosing games and playing with more youth but he's lying to himself. He's way to competitive to do that for a prolonged period of time.

 

[sampollock]

KH will strike when a team is low and out....
KH will and I say WILL use a 1st round pick + to make a deal for a centre.

book it

 

[ChesterNimitz]

IWon't be anything wrong if Roy ends up a middle 6F type. It doesn't have to be a top 6 vs bottom 6 definitive line with Beck, Kapanen, and Roy. The 3rd line is important too and sometimes, you spread your talent over those 3 lines and someone like Roy would be "listed" on the 2nd line.

I'm still a Roy hopeful.

I hope you're correct. But after watching Roy closely this year, his lack of skating is such that he's even a half-step behind the play in the AHL. Unless Roy can gain that missing extra gear, his chances of making any impact at the next level are becoming increasingly remote. With the sudden emergence of Heinemen and Evans, the acquisition of Laine, the approaching wave of dynamic/promising prospects (Demidov, Hage, Beck, Kapanen, Davidson and Tuch) and those 3 first round and 4 second round choices over the next 2 years, I think there will be little room for a speed challenged, solely offensive oriented forward.

Unless there is the necessary speed increase, Roy simply doesn't bring enough to the mix.

But again, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Treb]

I understand. Didn't say you were crapping on them. I just think we need to put the overpaid part in the past. Let them play reduced roles and if we have the better bottom 6 in the NHL at the same time we have unused cap space, so be it.

No doubt in my mind that the Habs are going to get lots of phone calls for this so called "deadweight". When you look across the NHL, there are so many contenders with depth issues.



Won't be anything wrong if Roy ends up a middle 6F type. It doesn't have to be a top 6 vs bottom 6 definitive line with Beck, Kapanen, and Roy. The 3rd line is important too and sometimes, you spread your talent over those 3 lines and someone like Roy would be "listed" on the 2nd line.

I'm still a Roy hopeful.

If we re-sign Laine (or get anyone else to replace him), one of Newhook, Heineman and Roy will be traded away.

With Heineman stealing his spot this year, Roy has to catch up or the decision will be easy.

 

[Treb]

KH will strike when a team is low and out....
KH will and I say WILL use a 1st round pick + to make a deal for a centre.

book it

I'd prefer if he'd get a RD instead.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we re-sign Laine (or get anyone else to replace him), one of Newhook, Heineman and Roy will be traded away.

With Heineman stealing his spot this year, Roy has to catch up or the decision will be easy.

Lots of time left for Roy. Let him stay hungry and this is the best for his development.

Heineman stole Roy's "spot" but is 2 years older and had to clear waivers if we sent him down. I have zero problems with Roy playing Laval to mature his game.

 

[HabzSauce]

Especially if the offers are 3rd or 4th rounders. Why the hell move Armia in this case? I hear he wants to stay and I bet we can get him for 3 years on a good value contract. We will need guys like this while our youth is developing. Look at how much it hurt with Kova being traded on the RD side

I agree on all points. Not worth losing the Beast for a couple mid round picks. And id definitely like to keep him for a 3yr term if he keeps playing with emotion. He's such an animal lol always loved him

Jake Evans I would also keep and try to re-sign. Having both these guys for the next 3-4 years would be great for the kids when they eventually come up

It's more that Beck is Evans replacement and playing the 21-22 years old who can match 80% of the performance is better asset management and be better than Evans in 2-3 years. We need 1sts for trades.

Yup this. Just because we're already loaded with picks doesn't mean we can't use any extras. It's all trade bait at the end of the day. Can use those extra 1sts for a real big fish someday

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree on all points. Not worth losing the Beast for a couple mid round picks. And id definitely like to keep him for a 3yr term if he keeps playing with emotion. He's such an animal lol always loved him

Jake Evans I would also keep and try to re-sign. Having both these guys for the next 3-4 years would be great for the kids when they eventually come up


Yup this. Just because we're already loaded with picks doesn't mean we can't use any extras. It's all trade bait at the end of the day. Can use those extra 1sts for a real big fish someday

Evans might get a 1st. Available list of centers at this TDL appears low and his cap hit is ideal while he is trending very well. Very curious to see how the Habs managed this. It's possible that Hutson's performance and potential future contract might have taken cap space away for someone like Evans. I think Evans would like to stay but might want that 4 or 5 year term and we might only be able to off 3. Time will tell and I trust Gorton/Hughes to manage this well.

Savard probably does not get a 1st this time around. However, once again... the list of available RD's is low so you never know. Make no mistake, there will be 6 or more teams trying to trade for Savard to shore up their depth. Remember, Tampa paid a 1st and played Savard on the bottom paring. Rare circumstance but you never know

Armia and Dvorak won't get good offers. Maybe Armia returns a 2nd like Kulak but not sure. Dvorak would be lucky to return a 4th.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

You either haven't watched a game this season or this is bait. Gonna go with the latter.

Well I disagree , i made enough money from that team to know that they the lines are completely messed up and that some players had some good stretch and went invisible for the rest of the season.

We have so many overpaid players and unskilled players in our line up , I don't know why people are happy with this lol.

Dvorak Newhook Anderson Dach Armia Gallagher , some had a good 5-10 games stretch then nothing offensively.

Offensive has been centered to Hutson Suzuki Caufield and Laine PP.
Heineman is a good surprise.

I know we have some high lvl copium because we won 5 of our last 7 games because but we are still on a 5 defeat streak to comeback exactly where we were a month ago.

 

[DAChampion]

Well I disagree , i made enough money from that team

???

 

[HabzSauce]

Evans might get a 1st. Available list of centers at this TDL appears low and his cap hit is ideal while he is trending very well. Very curious to see how the Habs managed this. It's possible that Hutson's performance and potential future contract might have taken cap space away for someone like Evans. I think Evans would like to stay but might want that 4 or 5 year term and we might only be able to off 3. Time will tell and I trust Gorton/Hughes to manage this well.

Savard probably does not get a 1st this time around. However, once again... the list of available RD's is low so you never know. Make no mistake, there will be 6 or more teams trying to trade for Savard to shore up their depth. Remember, Tampa paid a 1st and played Savard on the bottom paring. Rare circumstance but you never know

Armia and Dvorak won't get good offers. Maybe Armia returns a 2nd like Kulak but not sure. Dvorak would be lucky to return a 4th.

A 1st for Evans is very tempting but what kind of message would that send to the team if they are in a playoff hunt and they trade away someone as impactful as Evans?

Hard time seeing them trade Evans unless we're out of the race. I think Hugo decides to keep him with intention of re-signing. And if Evans prices himself out and walks after playoffs, I think it would still be worth it for Habs

Savard id be happy if we could get a 2nd. You're right tho you never know - If a team is stupid enough to give us a 1st I would be floored lol

 

[Guy Larose]

Well I disagree , i made enough money from that team to know that they the lines are completely messed up and that some players had some good stretch and went invisible for the rest of the season.

We have so many overpaid players and unskilled players in our line up , I don't know why people are happy with this lol.

Dvorak Newhook Anderson Dach Armia Gallagher , some had a good 5-10 games stretch then nothing offensively.

Offensive has been centered to Hutson Suzuki Caufield and Laine PP.
Heineman is a good surprise.

I know we have some high lvl copium because we won 5 of our last 7 games because but we are still on a 5 defeat streak to comeback exactly where we were a month ago.

The problem is that you're never happy and constantly shit on the team. Not sure you're even a Hab fan since I don't think I've ever seen you say anything positive.

 

[Rapala]

ROR doesn't have trade protection. Surprising.
Probably a more realistic option than Pettersson.

He's almost 34 though and has 2 more years on his contract.
But if the Habs think he still has enough gas in the tank, he could be a good fit and a stopgap until a guy like Hage is ready.
He'd be pushing Dach to the wing on the second line, or at least take the faceoffs. And he's a lefty.

But if he's made available, i suspect a lot of contenders will be after him.
I'm not sure the Habs would be ready to pay the price at this point, unless they're well into a playoff spot at the TDL.

Not for me thank you.
We have never done well signing a player we've already missed the boat once on.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

???

I meant i farmed enough money from betting against them in the last years i know that this team is still poorly structured offensively and need major changes , and it's not by keeping everyone that will change.