HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Rapala]

Suspect Beck is already the 13th forward, they are just keeping him stable in the AHL for now.

Beck will never be a 13th forward.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A 1st for Evans is very tempting but what kind of message would that send to the team if they are in a playoff hunt and they trade away someone as impactful as Evans?

Hard time seeing them trade Evans unless we're out of the race. I think Hugo decides to keep him with intention of re-signing. And if Evans prices himself out and walks after playoffs, I think it would still be worth it for Habs

Savard id be happy if we could get a 2nd. You're right tho you never know - If a team is stupid enough to give us a 1st I would be floored lol

Only thing I can see the players OK with is if they know Evans wants to explore his UFA options and at the same time, the Habs don't want to loose him for nothing.

A lot more information will come in the next two months.

 

[Treb]

Lots of time left for Roy. Let him stay hungry and this is the best for his development.

Heineman stole Roy's "spot" but is 2 years older and had to clear waivers if we sent him down. I have zero problems with Roy playing Laval to mature his game.

Heineman is waiver exempt.

And as I said, Roy has to catch up because he put himself in a position where he has to steal a spot from someone else.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The problem is that you're never happy and constantly shit on the team. Not sure you're even a Hab fan since I don't think I've ever seen you say anything positive.

He is partially right though. Dach and Newhook are fine. Gallagher, Armia, Dvorak and Armia are too many guys who can't score on an empty net. And when one of the scorers like Laine is out Pezzetta makes 5 stone hands. Once Beck and Demidov arrive though Habs will be deep enough to survive injuries.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Heineman is waiver exempt.

And as I said, Roy has to catch up because he put himself in a position where he has to steal a spot from someone else.

Heineman is still waivers exempt? I assumed he wasn't at the age of 23 but I guess he was 22 heading into the season now that I look harder.

Anyways, I think Roy will be fine and end up a middle 6F type like Heineman.

But if we end up with clutter or project clutter today, Roy and a 1st is a great offer if we get into a trade for a C or RD. Roy is well known in our pool. More than others due to his WJC with Bedard. His trade value would be relatively high IMO

 

[Treb]

Heineman is still waivers exempt? I assumed he wasn't at the age of 23 but I guess he was 22 heading into the season now that I look harder.

Anyways, I think Roy will be fine and end up a middle 6F type like Heineman.

Signed his ELC at age 21. He will not be exempt next year.

Roy will be eligible in 2026-2027.

Possible, but as I said unless he takes Newhook's or Heineman's spot it won't be in Montreal.

That is not even counting all the ones pushing in his back.

 

[Rapala]

I meant i farmed enough money from betting against them in the last years i know that this team is still poorly structured offensively and need major changes , and it's not by keeping everyone that will change.

Out of curiosity and because you bring up your betting often enough on this site.
Have you been getting hammered lately betting against the Habs.

 

[Rapala]

Heineman is waiver exempt.

And as I said, Roy has to catch up because he put himself in a position where he has to steal a spot from someone else.

I agree.
They are not even close to being the same type of player and are not in competition for a roster spot.
The Habs have no intentions of moving a Heineman who is bringing so many different elements to the table on a nightly basis.
Next season Roy would probably have to beat out Newhook for a third line role I don't see him as a replacement for Armia.
He's at a huge disadvantage with his skating at this point given the pace Marty seems to want to play at.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Out of curiosity and because you bring up your betting often enough on this site.
Have you been getting hammered lately betting against the Habs.

He apparently lost a decent amount last night.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I hope you're correct. But after watching Roy closely this year, his lack of skating is such that he's even a half-step behind the play in the AHL. Unless Roy can gain that missing extra gear, his chances of making any impact at the next level are becoming increasingly remote. With the sudden emergence of Heinemen and Evans, the acquisition of Laine, the approaching wave of dynamic/promising prospects (Demidov, Hage, Beck, Kapanen, Davidson and Tuch) and those 3 first round and 4 second round choices over the next 2 years, I think there will be little room for a speed challenged, solely offensive oriented forward.

Unless there is the necessary speed increase, Roy simply doesn't bring enough to the mix.

But again, I hope I'm wrong.

Is he slow or taking shifts off and not moving his feet? Or both?

 

[yianik]

Dvoark gone
armia gone


evans pay raise

And it's a reason why as much as we all love the guy, Hughes has to let Evans go if he is looking for north of $4M.

 

[SOLR]

Roy won't make it. Heineman will be good in the bottom 6.

Ok.

Beck will never be a 13th forward.

Apparently people don't read anymore.

 

[1909]

I would not be against acquiring a vet D as #7 D, and send down Struble to Laval so he can play more.

 

[Rapala]

Ok.



Apparently people don't read anymore.

Yeah they do write what you mean correctly to begin with.
It's a bare statement you posted and a bare response.
That you had to explain yourself after is neither here nor there.

 

[ReHabs]

And it's a reason why as much as we all love the guy, Hughes has to let Evans go if he is looking for north of $4M.

Hughes should trade Evans for a bounty if he has no intention of retaining him. It would be reckless to keep Evans for an unlikely playoff run for this season.

If the Habs win out, then they win out and another player could step up to replace Evans. Our roster shouldn’t be so precious in any case. This is a rebuild.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Is he slow or taking shifts off and not moving his feet? Or both?

Regrettably, both.

Roy's hand skills, offensive vision and anticipation are excellent. Easily the best on Laval. His anticipation is buying him the time and space that his limited skating can't. While this has allowed Roy to achieve a measure of success at the AHL level, I remain doubtful that he will be able to replicate this success in the NHL where the players he will be competing against will be as skilled as Roy, but are also faster and stronger than the competition he is facing in the AHL.

I will continue to watch Roy closely, but I really believe that in Demidov, Hage, Beck, etc. the team will have much better options going forward to populate lines two and three. Even his most ardent supporters don't believe Roy can crack the top line or be an effective energy 4th liner. So that leaves Roy with six possible slots that he has to be able to fill. And since he doesn't have anywhere near the necessary skating to play center, he only realistically has 4 slots available. I think most fair minded people can already predict 4 players/wingers who are, or project to be, superior to Roy.

I think Roy's chances are, at best, poor, to be part of this team going forward.

 

[HuGort]

I think Gorton/Hughes are also concerned about taking talent from Laval for their run as well.

Dvorak might stay and expire because the offer might be a 4th or worse. I see more value with letting Beck finish his season in Laval then a 4th for Dvorak.

With Savard, we picked up Carrier which was smart. If Savard is traded, does Struble take the spot and who do we call up?

Definitely a factor. Laval having a good season with potential for lengthy playoff run is good for development. Could be beneficial if Beck stays down and we let Dvorak walk in July. In long run I mean

 

[HabzSauce]

Regrettably, both.

Roy's hand skills, offensive vision and anticipation are excellent. Easily the best on Laval. His anticipation is buying him the time and space that his limited skating can't. While this has allowed Roy to achieve a measure of success at the AHL level, I remain doubtful that he will be able to replicate this success in the NHL where the players he will be competing against will be as skilled as Roy, but are also faster and stronger than the competition he is facing in the AHL.

I will continue to watch Roy closely, but I really believe, in Demidov, Hage, Beck, etc. the team will have much better options going forward to populate lines two and three. Even his most ardent supporters don't believe Roy can crack the top line or be an effective energy 4th liner. So that leaves Roy with six possible slots that he has to be able to fill. And since he doesn't have anywhere near the necessary skating to play center, he only realistically has 4 slots available. I think most fair minded people can already predict 4 players/wingers who are, or project to be, superior to Roy.

I think Roy's chances are, at best, poor, to be part of this team going forward.

All facts here. His options are limited and we have enough guys coming up to make him redundant.

He is easy trade bait for me. One of the few prospects I wouldn't lose any sleep over if we traded him.

 

[Habs7631]

Regrettably, both.

Roy's hand skills, offensive vision and anticipation are excellent. Easily the best on Laval. His anticipation is buying him the time and space that his limited skating can't. While this has allowed Roy to achieve a measure of success at the AHL level, I remain doubtful that he will be able to replicate this success in the NHL where the players he will be competing against will be as skilled as Roy, but are also faster and stronger than the competition he is facing in the AHL.

I will continue to watch Roy closely, but I really believe, in Demidov, Hage, Beck, etc. the team will have much better options going forward to populate lines two and three. Even his most ardent supporters don't believe Roy can crack the top line or be an effective energy 4th liner. So that leaves Roy with six possible slots that he has to be able to fill. And since he doesn't have anywhere near the necessary skating to play center, he only realistically has 4 slots available. I think most fair minded people can already predict 4 players/wingers who are, or project to be, superior to Roy.

I think Roy's chances are, at best, poor, to be part of this team going forward.

Might not be the thread for this, but what do you think of Engstrom future with the Habs? Already have Hutson/Guhle/Matheson/Xhekaj/Struble for LD, you think he can beat some of them? Or trade bait?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Out of curiosity and because you bring up your betting often enough on this site.
Have you been getting hammered lately betting against the Habs.

nah i lose a bit of money but like i still stay positive due to other games. Im not gonna dump like 1000$ on Tampa because they are playing he habs for example haha

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

Dobson is an offensive D who has issue playing defense. That's not what Reinbacher is projecting as or what we him to become. We want Reinbacher to be a reliable defensive D on the right side who can much big minutes.

Ya I understand that. What I mean by Dobson not saying we want him to be Dobson. I just meant to get the production and that level of play. I know Dobson isn't necessarily the best well rounded which Reinbacher could be. I just seen Reinbacher already injured never know how it could impact him developing.

I'm not saying they are the same type of player. Just Dobson is there offensively and I believe teaching defense is always easier to reach than having a player be offensive that isn't. Defense is something that can be taught. Offensive play is an instinct thing I find isn't necessarily taught.

I just feel it could be a good deal for both sides.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Might not be the thread for this, but what do you think of Engstrom future with the Habs? Already have Hutson/Guhle/Matheson/Xhekaj/Struble for LD, you think he can beat some of them? Or trade bait?

Its a good question.

At the start of the season, I thought that Engstrom was easily the best of Laval's young defencemen (Engstrom, Mailloux, & Trudeau). He was more mobile ( both speed-wise and agility-wise) than either Mailloux and Trudeau, he could walk the line better than both and he was as creative, offensively as Mailloux, using his mobility, hand skills and vision to make excellent plays in the offensive zone. Engstrom was more defensively intuitive than Mailloux but was less physical than Trudeau. Shooting wise, he was not in Mailloux's class nor was his first pass anywhere near as impressive/effective as Mailloux's.

As the season progressed, Engstrom game plateaued and even regressed a little. He started to be plagued by turn-overs as he attempted to be too fancy and trying to make high risks plays. Overall, in my opinion, Trudeau's game caught and passed Engstrom's. Trudeau's skating almost matched that of Engstrom, his play in the offensive zone improved, he played a way more physical game than both Engstrom and Mailloux, he was very effective in the defensive zone (which improved play earned him a spot on the penalty killing unit) and his pinches were more effective and timely.

Overall, as of today, I can't see Engstrom being a more effective NHL defenceman than any of the current Montreal defencemen. In any event, I think Trudeau's upside is higher. But things change. This is still Engstrom's first season in North America and is still in an adjustment period as he tries to navigate the changes in the AHL game from the game he was use to playing in Europe. If the Canadiens are still in the playoff mix, I can't see them trading any of their current defencemen. If the team starts to fade, there may be some personnel changes occurring (with Savard probably being the defenceman most likely to being moved) and there may be resulting roster openings. Would Engstrom be the first call up? I think Trudeau would be the first choice (as of now).

Nevertheless, Engstrom remains a good prospect and may be an attractive target for another team ( think Barron) looking to upgrade their defence's overall mobility.

 

[SOLR]

Yeah they do write what you mean correctly to begin with.
It's a bare statement you posted and a bare response.
That you had to explain yourself after is neither here nor there.

Sorry you couldn't understand the statement.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Regrettably, both.

Roy's hand skills, offensive vision and anticipation are excellent. Easily the best on Laval. His anticipation is buying him the time and space that his limited skating can't. While this has allowed Roy to achieve a measure of success at the AHL level, I remain doubtful that he will be able to replicate this success in the NHL where the players he will be competing against will be as skilled as Roy, but are also faster and stronger than the competition he is facing in the AHL.

I will continue to watch Roy closely, but I really believe, in Demidov, Hage, Beck, etc. the team will have much better options going forward to populate lines two and three. Even his most ardent supporters don't believe Roy can crack the top line or be an effective energy 4th liner. So that leaves Roy with six possible slots that he has to be able to fill. And since he doesn't have anywhere near the necessary skating to play center, he only realistically has 4 slots available. I think most fair minded people can already predict 4 players/wingers who are, or project to be, superior to Roy.

I think Roy's chances are, at best, poor, to be part of this team going forward.

fair assessment...maybe target Chicago for trade where he can reunite with his WJC buddy, Bedard

 

[salbutera]

If Slaf doesn't start to show progress he should be dropped to 3rd or 4th line.I have been a big supporter of his and i know he's young but he doesn't belong on the 1st line at this point.If he wasn't picked 1st overall he would certainly not be up there with Suzuki and Cole

7pts in last 10GP, is there room for improvement? Of course