HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[ChesterNimitz]

Damn Chester - you're hard on Mailloux. Lol

I trust your scouting, so im down on his potential, but.. considering RHD is a position of scarcity, should he not be someone we fit in to the #5 slot? Or is he not at all an NHL player?

I’ve often posted about Mailloux over the past three years. My posts have identified Mailloux’s strengths ( great offensive vision, the best first pass I’ve seen since Subban, good size and a heavy shot) and the bad ( limited defensive acumen and less than stellar skating). My pessimism about Mailloux’s potential is rooted in his poor skating. He is unable to beat / avoid the forecheck and cannot consistently transport the puck from his defensive zone through neutral ice into the offensive zone. That lack of mobility will always materially limit Mailloux’s impact at the next level.

Unless he can gain that extra needed level of speed ( which at this stage is highly unlikely) I can’t see Mailloux being anything more than a fringe NHL defenceman. I have often suggested that Mailloux be converted to a forward to capitalize on his attributes. Bottom line, if a reasonable offer comes through, I move Mailloux without hesitation.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

I think he is worth a claim.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Nah.

Doesn't fit with our style.

 

[themilosh]

I’ve often posted about Mailloux over the past three years. My posts have identified Mailloux’s strengths ( great offensive vision, the best first pass I’ve seen since Subban, good size and a heavy shot) and the bad ( limited defensive acumen and less than stellar skating). My pessimism about Mailloux’s potential is rooted in his poor skating. He is unable to beat / avoid the forecheck and cannot consistently transport the puck from his defensive zone through neutral ice into the offensive zone. That lack of mobility will always materially limit Mailloux’s impact at the next level.

Unless he can gain that extra needed level of speed ( which at this stage is highly unlikely) I can’t see Mailloux being anything more than a fringe NHL defenceman. I have often suggested that Mailloux be converted to a forward to capitalize on his attributes. Bottom line, if a reasonable offer comes through, I move Mailloux without hesitation.

I've always enjoyed your takes/scouting, clear and present danger!

Thing is, i think other team Scouts also read your takes. so we aren't getting anything for Mailloux!! Ughh.. we gotta just hope you're wrong, just this one time..

 

[Engelwood]

Dach has been better lately but I would love to upgrade our 2C.

I’m torn on Petterson though

I would love to get Petterson if it could come for:
Kirby Dach
Logan Mailloux
The worst of the Calgary/MTL picks
Maybe Roy/Mesar

It would leave us with an interesting lineup next year. Hopefully lock up Evans for a contract similar to Armia's last contract 4 year 3.5/Yr, if you can't get him I would resign Armia for a veteran contract

Demidov Petterson Laine
Slaf Suzuki Caufield

Keep Evans
Newhook Evans Anderson
Hieneman Beck Gallagher

Keep Armia
Hieneman Newhook Armia
Anderson Beck Gallagher

Defense
Matheson Hutson
Guhle Carrier
Xjekaj Reinbacker(Free agent)

Gives us a 1A and 1B lines. and either way 2 solid bottom 6 lines.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I don’t think Kaliyev is a bad hockey player, I think he’s a terrific offensive player but his 200 foot game is severely lacking, and I’m not sure about his work ethic. Perhaps a change in scenery would serve him well.

If Laine’s injury is worse than predicted, perhaps Hughes would put in a claim. You’re playing with house money at that point. That’s the only scenario where I envision that Kaliyev is picked up by the Habs.

 

[HuGort]

Small sample size but since we got Carrier Savards TOI has dropped, and now he has missed a couple games. And the D is doing alright. In other words it looks like the Habs are okay without Savard, so he is tradeable.

Moving all of Evans , Armia and Dvo would be a problem, and especially on the PK. My sense of Hughes is that Evans would be signed by now if Hughes thinks he fits as part of the team going forward and the contract fits. So I'm thinking there is a contract impasse, and Evans is on his way out.

I think Evans and Savard each can get a couple seconds and up to a 1st.

We will have a lot of assets , including possibly 4 1sts to make moves this off season. If Dach hasn't turned it around we will need a 2C and while not urgent, we may be on the look out for a top pair RHD if Hughes doesn't think Matheson fits longer term.

Doubt we get much for Savard. Probably rather keep him for depth. If we stay in the mix

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don’t think Kaliyev is a bad hockey player, I think he’s a terrific offensive player but his 200 foot game is severely lacking, and I’m not sure about his work ethic. Perhaps a change in scenery would serve him well.

If Laine’s injury is worse than predicted, perhaps Hughes would put in a claim. You’re playing with house money at that point. That’s the only scenario where I envision that Kaliyev is picked up by the Habs.

Hes lazy as all get out. Can't imagine they'd be interested at all.

 

[yianik]

Umm No.
We can't have Mike Matheson playing 28 minutes a game so if we want to move a right D we'd better have a roster ready experienced replacement.
Things would eventually unravel very very quickly otherwise.

Yeah last 2 games Matheson has played 28 minutes TOI. I had looked at the games before that where it had dropped much less than that.

 

[yianik]

Doubt we get much for Savard. Probably rather keep him for depth. If we stay in the mix

If he is isn't worth that much and we are fighting for a spot I agree. This team would greatly benefit by getting to the post season as it would be an accomplishment and also needed experience. Even fighting for a spot for a change is beneficial.

 

[Guy Larose]

I don’t think Kaliyev is a bad hockey player, I think he’s a terrific offensive player but his 200 foot game is severely lacking, and I’m not sure about his work ethic. Perhaps a change in scenery would serve him well.

If Laine’s injury is worse than predicted, perhaps Hughes would put in a claim. You’re playing with house money at that point. That’s the only scenario where I envision that Kaliyev is picked up by the Habs.

Laine's injury? He had the flu for back to back games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's for EP?

He is a great player and is an upgrade at centre for sure but I suspect no matter how good he would be in a Habs uniform we would all be here dogging that cap hit and HuGo for taking it on.

I also think Van wouldn't want that deal. Seems like a quantity over quality thing to me. I bet they would want one of CC, Slaf or Demidov to start.

Extreme high offer to gain interest. I don't think it would be that high in price but it won't be far off IMO. Just goes to show that the Habs are in a good position to make an offer and acquire.

That package is a combo of quantity and quality IMO

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would love to get Petterson if it could come for:
Kirby Dach
Logan Mailloux
The worst of the Calgary/MTL picks
Maybe Roy/Mesar

It would leave us with an interesting lineup next year. Hopefully lock up Evans for a contract similar to Armia's last contract 4 year 3.5/Yr, if you can't get him I would resign Armia for a veteran contract

Demidov Petterson Laine
Slaf Suzuki Caufield

Keep Evans
Newhook Evans Anderson
Hieneman Beck Gallagher

Keep Armia
Hieneman Newhook Armia
Anderson Beck Gallagher

Defense
Matheson Hutson
Guhle Carrier
Xjekaj Reinbacker(Free agent)

Gives us a 1A and 1B lines. and either way 2 solid bottom 6 lines.

Yup, If we are able to get EP and not touch our core, we should do it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Doubt we get much for Savard. Probably rather keep him for depth. If we stay in the mix

If there is a lot of RD available, then yeah, Savard won't return much. However, there is not much RD available (especially with this experience). What's going to happen here is teams will want him but only want to acquire with 2nd rounder and B prospect but there will be 3-5 teams and then the price goes up because one team don't want him going to a team they might face in the playoffs.

Teams looking for an edge at the TDL is always evident. D and C will be targeted and the Habs have Savard and Evans. Not sure where we will be in the standings at the TDL so it will be interesting to see how this is managed and also how aggressive other teams are when they call.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In terms of EP with 7 more years left at $11.6M and a proven pt/game center, do we have a past trade comparable for what this returns for a 26 year old at the beginning of their prime? I can't think of any centers and the closest one I can think about (not a center) is PK Subban. I believe he was traded at age 26 with 6 years left on his contract. J Eichel is the other one but that was a unique case with his looming surgery

 

[BergevinBurner]

In terms of EP with 7 more years left at $11.6M and a proven pt/game center, do we have a past trade comparable for what this returns for a 26 year old at the beginning of their prime? I can't think of any centers and the closest one I can think about (not a center) is PK Subban. I believe he was traded at age 26 with 6 years left on his contract. J Eichel is the other one but that was a unique case with his looming surgery

I think Eichel is probably the best comparison. Pettersson's been dealing with injury problems the last year now and his skating speed and shot have both seemingly fallen off a cliff. I'd argue he's almost more of a risk than Eichel was pre surgery.

 

[ReHabs]

In terms of EP with 7 more years left at $11.6M and a proven pt/game center, do we have a past trade comparable for what this returns for a 26 year old at the beginning of their prime? I can't think of any centers and the closest one I can think about (not a center) is PK Subban. I believe he was traded at age 26 with 6 years left on his contract. J Eichel is the other one but that was a unique case with his looming surgery

Eichel is a good comp. EP is currently a 67-70pt player, not a 100pt player. You’d never acquire a 70pt player at 11.6m… not even for free… but you would kick the can on a 80-90pt player at 11.6m, if the price is good.

 

[Rapala]

I don’t think so but I do believe they’d value hometown boy Jake Evans

Agreed they already have their Gallagher in Kiefer Sherwood who is 3yrs younger a bigger body at 1.5M.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I might be wrong, but it feels like with the team doing well right now, HuGo might take a wait and see approach for a while. Trade talks may only pick back up closer to the deadline, where they'll know if this is a playoff situation or not.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Eichel is a good comp. EP is currently a 67-70pt player, not a 100pt player. You’d never acquire a 70pt player at 11.6m… not even for free… but you would kick the can on a 80-90pt player at 11.6m, if the price is good.

EP is a pt/game player right now. 440 pts in 441 games and he's 26 and just at the beginning of his prime. No doubt in my mind he is a 80-100 pts center type. If he was with the Habs playing with Laine and Demidov next year, he's putting up 80-100 pts IMO.

 

[sampollock]

Brock Nelson... a centre
thoughts? of a trade

 

[OldCraig71]

It would take Suzuki to get Petterson. Why would Vancouver do it for less?

 

[sampollock]

It would take Suzuki to get Petterson. Why would Vancouver do it for less?

agreed

so let's look elsewhere
NYI is needing to start again.... Nelson?

 

[ReHabs]

EP is a pt/game player right now. 440 pts in 441 games and he's 26 and just at the beginning of his prime. No doubt in my mind he is a 80-100 pts center type. If he was with the Habs playing with Laine and Demidov next year, he's putting up 80-100 pts IMO.

This season he’s not PPG. He’s underperforming big time from 100pt expectations. He’s been rather pedestrian (70pt pace) since signing his deal.

The question is: who is the real Pettersson?

I think he’s a PPG+ player who is very smart and would work super well with Suzuki in a 1-2 punch. I also think his cap hit is brutal given the fact he isn’t a physical player.

My inclination is that of Dach or Slafkovsky would have to go the other way in the trade package. The Dach package would be obviously a lot more involved; a few days ago I figured it would look like Evans + Mailloux +. Xhekaj +Dach, but I think that’s an overpayment given the cap hit EP carries.

EP for Slafkvosky is an interesting one to chew on. Not sure how to make heads or tails of it.

It would take Suzuki to get Petterson. Why would Vancouver do it for less?

VAN doesn’t like how he plays and they might want to get out from under than massive cap hit… basically, the assumption is they have cold feet.

They don’t want to rebuild though, so what can they do?

 

[Habs Halifax]

This season he’s not PPG. He’s underperforming big time from 100pt expectations. He’s been rather pedestrian (70pt pace) since signing his deal.

The question is: who is the real Pettersson?

I think he’s a PPG+ player who is very smart and would work super well with Suzuki in a 1-2 punch. I also think his cap hit is brutal given the fact he isn’t a physical player.

My inclination is that of Dach or Slafkovsky would have to go the other way in the trade package. The Dach package would be obviously a lot more involved; a few days ago I figured it would look like Evans + Mailloux +. Xhekaj +Dach, but I think that’s an overpayment given the cap hit EP carries.

EP for Slafkvosky is an interesting one to chew on. Not sure how to make heads or tails of it.

He's 26 and is a pt/game player up to this point in time. Fact

If we have to touch any part of our core, I pass. Pieces on the table for me are (Not all of them but a serious package can be made from this list):
* Dach
* 1st round picks in 2025
* Newhook
* Matheson
* Possibly Hage, Beck, Kapanen, Roy, Reinbacher, Mailloux

If they request one of Hutson, Demidov, Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, I pass.