HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is an example of sarcasm.

I'm dead serious. What do you find sarcastic about this deal?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dach has far less potential than EP, clearly in my opinion, but he comes with a 3.5 million dollar contract that will soon expire.

The Habs have enough cap space and trade capital to acquire one great player, in my opinion. It does depend on who's available as you say, but my preference would be a young RHD or an old impact forward going for one last hurrah.

This is not solely based on Dach vs EP. Both Dach and Newhook are RFA control after their contracts. Matheson would be a UFA after his deal yes. The intent with this trade is to send a center back (sending two of them) and they get a chance to reach their potential with the Canucks. Then they get two very valuable 1st rounders as the sweetener.

Habs have plenty of cap space bud. We didn't even have to put Price on LTIR to start the season and we have most of our core locked up. Only Hutson and Demidov to sign for big deals in the next 2 seasons and the cap will be $95M+ very soon.

2C: Dach+Newhook+Matheson cap hits = EP's cap hit. This is a lateral cap space hit move.

RHD: That's Price's salary

 

[Sorinth]

I'd be very worried about trading Matheson in such a deal. We just saw how much a difference Carrier vs Barron had on the team. Trading Matheson more then undos all that improvement and I'm not sure EP can counteract it because playing in your own end due to a lack of quality D hurts forwards the most.

 

[The Last Red]

I'm dead serious. What do you find sarcastic about this deal?

What you’re offering Vancouver for an apparent head case.
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Same thing happening to me, HF is bugging out with the reply to quote system
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I just think it’s a massive overpay for a seeming head case. I wouldn’t make that offer if he was firing on all cylinders, which he’s not.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Our team doctors would be able to figure that out. Done at age 26? Doubt it very much. Same was said with Eichel.

I totally understand the concerns. What about the concern about waiting for Dach to be the player we think he can be and it taking years to find out? There is a risk there too right?

Do you think there will be another chance to add a player with EP's skill? Either through trade or UFA?


I'm dead serious. What's wrong with it in your opinion?


1) No. Look again. In this deal I have Vancouver retaining 3 million to get him down to 8.6 for us.

2) I'm giving them rebuild assests. That team isn't winning anything or going anywhere.

The quote reply got messed up somehow.

Canucks will not be retaining for 7 years. You can forget about that idea.

I don't think they want to rebuild. I think they want to retool. My offer helps them retool and rebuild. It hits a lot of context for both sides which is how trades happen. A rebuild will be forced on them in about 3 years IMO.

Well that's why I'm offering so much, for the retention. Without the retention I don't even want him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In fairness, I remember people thinking that Ovechkin was done back around 2011 or so when he got fat. He was in fact a lesser player then, he finished a season around -40 and was getting relatively few playoff minutes, he had a 13 year 9 million dollar contract and people thought he was done.

But he overcame.

The time to acquire great forwards is when they're on a low.

YES! Being overly conservative will turn our team into a mid pack team for far too long.

EP's has size/skating and an elite level shot (like Laine). He's not coming to Montreal on an island by himself (Like Laine). If we can pull it off and not touch our core, make it happen!

 

[sampollock]

EP has lit the fire on this thread.

KH what are you up too? lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well that's why I'm offering so much, for the retention. Without the retention I don't even want him.

I'm offering more without retention

I very much doubt they will be open to retaining for 7 years.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Apparently, Islanders are in the Pettersson sweepstakes. Rumors are Dobson & Danny Nelson.

That's actually a really good offer. Canucks need someone behind Hughes - Hronek to move the puck & help set up offense.

Canucks could play Hronek-Dobson-Willander as they're RD next season, which is a vast improvement over what they have this year.

NYI don't have the cap space for Petey this season, but they do next season.

Nelson is a 3rd/4th line center depth, but a decent prospect.

 

[sampollock]

YES! Being overly conservative will turn our team into a mid pack team for far too long.

EP's has size/skating and an elite level shot (like Laine). He's not coming to Montreal on an island by himself (Like Laine). If we can pull it of and not touch our core, make it happen!

totally agree.

I will say this. KH always said. he would spend assets. lets see

 

[Habs Halifax]

EP has lit the fire on this thread.

KH what are you up too? lol

Cheap talk but it's fun as long as some stay chill.

Is EP really on the trade market? We can only guess.

 

[salbutera]

I would only point out Eichel was acquired for Krebs + Tuch + 1st + 2nd rounder

Unless it’s a healthy McDavid being dealt, cap hit factor limits teams ability to acquire a player, let alone underperformance, thus driving down acquisition cost

There’s only a handful # of teams able to acquire EP, and even fewer willing & able to surender assets usually being sought re: NHL ready ELC / 2nd contract types.

Then there’s EPs NMC factor which kicks in July 1st for those seeking a potential way out in the future…

 

[Habs Halifax]

Apparently, Islanders are in the Pettersson sweepstakes. Rumors are Dobson & Danny Nelson.

That's actually a really good offer. Canucks need someone behind Hughes - Hronek to move the puck & help set up offense.

Canucks could play Hronek-Dobson-Willander as they're RD next season, which is a vast improvement over what they have this year.

NYI don't have the cap space for Petey this season, but they do next season.

Nelson is a 3rd/4th line center depth, but a decent prospect.

Look at the Canucks center depth with and without EP? You will see that they will want a center in return. Dobson is a great offer and they do need a D but their center depth is horrible (even with EP).

totally agree.

I will say this. KH always said. he would spend assets. lets see

It really depends on what direction the Canucks want to take. Would they like a Cozens/Byram or Barzal+ return better?

Imagine if Dach was on pace for 70 pts and 25 goals this season. I'd be curious to see what our herd says then. Probably say no to Dach and Flames/Panthers 1st for EP.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I'm offering more without retention

I very much doubt they will be open to retaining for 7 years.

They wouldn’t. Unless they wanted to rebuild. My deal gives them 2 sure fire NHL centers + a few magic beans.

 

[Rapala]

Look at the Canucks center depth with and without EP? You will see that they will want a center in return. Dobson is a great offer and they do need a D but their center depth is horrible (even with EP).



It really depends on what direction the Canucks want to take. Would they like a Cozens/Byram or Barzal+ return better?

Imagine if Dach was on pace for 70 pts and 25 goals this season. I'd be curious to see what our herd says then. Probably say no to Dach and Flames/Panthers 1st for EP.

What would you give for JT Miller because he's the one that is most likely to move.

 

[salbutera]

What would you give for JT Miller because he's the one that is most likely to move.

Doesn’t matter - Miller reportedly won’t play for another Cdn market

 

[Runner77]

1. EP is playing bad and has a monster contract
2. EP would cost the CH so many assets that hey have compiled, no thanks
3. KH needs a centre but not this way with VAN
4. So many posters here dissed the PL rumors and we only have up a D man and got a 2nd back
5. Just think of what posters here would do if we gutted the farm to get EP and he floats out there
6. This server would die

We may not even have to make a move depending on Dach and Hage showing that they are viable top 6 centers at the NHL level. Dach may ultimately settle in as a winger, who knows, so Hage may be the ticket behind Suzuki.

That’s obviously a lot cheaper than chasing an established player at the highest end of the AAV scale but will the Habs have enough patience for an internal or homegrown C solution to flourish?

 

[sampollock]

Cheap talk but it's fun as long as some stay chill.

Is EP really on the trade market? We can only guess.

SURE IS
love the banter... good for the chatter on this site.
every fan has a opinion makes us fans

 

[Sorinth]

I wonder if Vancouver would actually value Gallagher. This whole situation in Vancouver stems from a lack of leadership so bringing in a leader like Gallagher who would also probably mesh stylistically with Miller and double down on the attitude that they should want to instill of being a hard working team. And of course he's a local with SCF experience. It know doubt comes down to how much Gallagher's resurgence this past year+ is seen by other teams.

Obviously wouldn't be the main piece and they will need a center going back which almost has to be Dach. But could something like Dach, Gallagher with retention, and then maybe Mailloux and a 1st isn't unreasonable.

At 50% retention on Gallagher, it offers something that many teams can't give them, capspace. Which they can in turn around and immediatly use to get one of the NYR players who are all on the trade block. And with Mailloux and the 1st added that gives them an asset base to actually make that next trade(s).

 

[Andy]

Eichel
Stone
Meier
Hertl
O'Reilly
Tkachuk/Huberdeau
JT Miller

What other big forwards were traded in recent memory? Does Reinhart count? I'm just trying to gauged the average assets exchanged in trades for productive forwards to give you a sense of what a habs package would look like.

granted not all the same circumstances for each trade.

 

[Rapala]

Doesn’t matter - Miller reportedly won’t play for another Cdn market

Good because I didn't want him.

 

[sampollock]

Eichel
Stone
Meier
Hertl
O'Reilly

What other big forwards were traded in recent memory? Does Reinhart count? I'm just trying to gauged the average assets exchanged in trades for productive forwards to give you a sense of what a habs package would look like.

yup

not many top centres get moved. draft them or ufa which never happens often.

 

[salbutera]

I wonder if Vancouver would actually value Gallagher. This whole situation in Vancouver stems from a lack of leadership so bringing in a leader like Gallagher who would also probably mesh stylistically with Miller and double down on the attitude that they should want to instill of being a hard working team. And of course he's a local with SCF experience. It know doubt comes down to how much Gallagher's resurgence this past year+ is seen by other teams.

Obviously wouldn't be the main piece and they will need a center going back which almost has to be Dach. But could something like Dach, Gallagher with retention, and then maybe Mailloux and a 1st isn't unreasonable.

At 50% retention on Gallagher, it offers something that many teams can't give them, capspace. Which they can in turn around and immediatly use to get one of the NYR players who are all on the trade block. And with Mailloux and the 1st added that gives them an asset base to actually make that next trade(s).

I don’t think so but I do believe they’d value hometown boy Jake Evans

 

[Andy]

I wonder if Vancouver would actually value Gallagher.

LOL no.

I think folks are right that Van is probably looking at Huberdeau-Tkachuk esque trade...or maybe even a PLD esque trade with a few nhl ready and productive pieces.

 

[Deus ex machina]

To be honest, I don't remember the exact multiple packages I offered over a few months talking about Laine. It was definitely higher than just Harris and there was no 2nd coming with Laine. Are you saying that you knew it would be that low? If so, you are reaching. Nobody expected it to be that low and this was about the Blue Jackets not wanting to take any salary back. I'm pretty sure I had Anderson in several of my packages and how can you forget that? Please quote the right context when trying to make a point like this. If I posted Harris for Laine/2nd, you and others would have laughed at that as well

And yes, I already said I am offering more to get the conversation started. What's your point? It's going to be much less than what Eichel return or the same? I think it will be more (if EP is traded).

Yes, i should have remembered the exact package you offered with the multiple multiple iterations you gave.
I'm pretty sure there were 4 pieces. 2 being Calgary's 1st and Struble for sure. I think the 3rd was Beck or Roy but maybe i'm wrong on that.

I told you that offer was way way too generous because Laine had negative value at full salary, but you kept trucking along.
You can go back and check on that if you want.

Did i predict the exact trade that happened or even that Hugues would pull it off?
Of course not, but i knew it wouldn't take much, if at all, given the circumstances.

I thought Columbus would have retained half and get a better return since they were at the cap floor. But it turns out the owners didn't want to retain. That was difficult to know.

But no, i wasn't surprised by the return.
Just because you were, don't assume everybody else was too.

Waddell got that return because that was the best he could get.
Kent Hugues is not some kind of genius for making that trade.
That was just Laine's market value.

You took a jab at some fans who were sceptical of the Laine acquisition ( i was not one of them, by the way ), so i'm just taking a little jab back.

I guess the point is to make you aware that you just have a tendency to give too much in your offers.