HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[General Fanager]

Demidov-EP-Laine
Slaf-Suzuki-Caufield

The best top 6 in the NHL no less.

Van isn't trading EP without at least one of those guys involved.

 

[sampollock]

EP is not coming to the Habs
KH won't pay the price it's needed and I'm not even sure the Vancouver wants to trade them

 

[Habs7631]

What about a trade with Vancouver on draft night? Depending on where our 1st land after the draft lottery, a package around our 1st+++.

Obviously the higher our pick land the less we’d have to add. Dach+Matheson+Dvorak to make the money work. Dvorak 4.5M contract is expiring so that would give Vancouver cap space right away for free agency/help re-sign Boeser/Hughes.

Say pick #5-10, Dach, Matheson, Dvorak, Michael Hage and Adam Engstrom?

We’d have Suzuki/Petey for the 2 top6 centers spot. Evans/Beck/Kapanen for the 2 bottom 6 centers spots. We can afford to trade Hage.

We already have Guhle/Hutson/Xhekaj/Struble for LD. Wouldn’t need Matheson and Engstrom anymore.

We’d still have CGY 1st, 2 2nd and 3 3rd for the draft. 6 picks in the first 3 rounds.

 

[sampollock]

We three thoughts?

 

[JustAHabFan]

Be patient and stay the course. Why the GM tell him to grow up? There seemed to be a locker room issue with Petterson. He is not doing well this year and his cap is almost 12M. Do you want to add such a player to the Habs with the potential to disrupt the harmony in the locker room? There is just too much risk with Petterson. If we are wrong, this will really negatively impact the rebuild.

 

[Vachon23]

Be patient and stay the course. Why the GM tell him to grow up? There seemed to be a locker room issue with Petterson. He is not doing well this year and his cap is almost 12M. Do you want to add such a player to the Habs with the potential to disrupt the harmony in the locker room? There is just too much risk with Petterson. If we are wrong, this will really negatively impact the rebuild.

Or it put the team to an other level if he put everything together and fit well with the team.

You need to make your research on the player and what is happening in Vancouver. It’s an answer that nobody can have here on this board

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The biggest question is, are you getting a Pettersson who puts up close to, or above 100 points, or are you getting the Pettersson who puts up just under 70.

 

[Vachon23]

The biggest question is, are you getting a Pettersson who puts up close to, or above 100 points, or are you getting the Pettersson who puts up just under 70.

And a great 2 way center not only a 100 pts player

 

[Habs7631]

Just gonna paste here, another insiders recap from the legend @Vector himself. Some stuff regarding Montreal. The part about Montreal starts at 4:40 for those who want to listen.



Montreal Canadiens

• Primary objective is to both add and subtract
• David Savard, Christian Dvorak, Joel Armia, and Jake Evans are on expiring contracts and are available
• Canadiens want to re-sign Evans
• Mike Matheson’s name is also on the trade market
• May look to make a hockey trade

New York Rangers

• Firing Laviolette may be inevitable
• Has been hearing, since the holiday freeze lifted, that the Rangers continue to explore different types of moves on the trade market
• K’Andre Miller is out there and has generated interest
• Chris Kreider and Reilly Smith are on the market
• Two people close to the organization believe Mika Zibanejad would waive his NMC for the right environment
• Rangers haven’t asked Zibanejad to waive his NMC

Vancouver Canucks

• Canucks are not afraid to make moves early
• Doesn’t know if the Canucks will go “big game hunting” like last season
• There is some speculation around Elias Pettersson’s future but wouldn’t be surprised to hear more noise about that in the summer
• Thinks Allvin’s interview was about lighting a fire under his players & letting everyone know they are interested in making some changes
• Looking for a top-4 defenceman
• Would not be shocked if they add a scoring forward
• Canucks are looking and Allvin has admitted they are engaged in trade conversations
• History suggests moves sooner rather than later
• Neither Canucks nor Brock Boeser wanted to get overly serious about an extension until later into the season; thinks talks will begin to pick up
• Canucks have called out their guys and it’s now a matter of them stepping up

New York Islanders

• Will wait a month and see where they are in the schedule before making moves
• Teams have already reached out on players
• Both Kyle Palmieri and Brock Nelson would get 1st round picks back
• Thinks the Islanders will be aggressive in free agency
• Islanders host next season’s All-Star game

 

[morhilane]

Just gonna paste here, another insiders recap from the legend @Vector himself. Some stuff regarding Montreal. The part about Montreal starts at 4:40 for those who want to listen.



Montreal Canadiens

• Primary objective is to both add and subtract
• David Savard, Christian Dvorak, Joel Armia, and Jake Evans are on expiring contracts and are available
• Canadiens want to re-sign Evans
• Mike Matheson’s name is also on the trade market
• May look to make a hockey trade

So Habs are on everything, got it.

 

[Habs7631]

So Habs are on everything, got it.

I don't remember which one, but one of the biggest hockey Youtubers said something along the lines of I try to cover all teams equally but Habs and Leafs videos bring me 10x more views. Must be the same for Insiders, just name dropping the Habs probably gets you a shit load of clicks/retweets/engagement.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Just gonna paste here, another insiders recap from the legend @Vector himself. Some stuff regarding Montreal. The part about Montreal starts at 4:40 for those who want to listen.



Montreal Canadiens

• Primary objective is to both add and subtract
• David Savard, Christian Dvorak, Joel Armia, and Jake Evans are on expiring contracts and are available
• Canadiens want to re-sign Evans
• Mike Matheson’s name is also on the trade market
• May look to make a hockey trade

New York Rangers

• Firing Laviolette may be inevitable
• Has been hearing, since the holiday freeze lifted, that the Rangers continue to explore different types of moves on the trade market
• K’Andre Miller is out there and has generated interest
• Chris Kreider and Reilly Smith are on the market
• Two people close to the organization believe Mika Zibanejad would waive his NMC for the right environment
• Rangers haven’t asked Zibanejad to waive his NMC

Vancouver Canucks

• Canucks are not afraid to make moves early
• Doesn’t know if the Canucks will go “big game hunting” like last season
• There is some speculation around Elias Pettersson’s future but wouldn’t be surprised to hear more noise about that in the summer
• Thinks Allvin’s interview was about lighting a fire under his players & letting everyone know they are interested in making some changes
• Looking for a top-4 defenceman
• Would not be shocked if they add a scoring forward
• Canucks are looking and Allvin has admitted they are engaged in trade conversations
• History suggests moves sooner rather than later
• Neither Canucks nor Brock Boeser wanted to get overly serious about an extension until later into the season; thinks talks will begin to pick up
• Canucks have called out their guys and it’s now a matter of them stepping up

New York Islanders

• Will wait a month and see where they are in the schedule before making moves
• Teams have already reached out on players
• Both Kyle Palmieri and Brock Nelson would get 1st round picks back
• Thinks the Islanders will be aggressive in free agency
• Islanders host next season’s All-Star game

You could have just said he said jack shit that's new.

 

[Garry Valk]

If Petersson really is available, we gotta make that move. We have the assets, and he’s the right age.

 

[MarkJ]

Pagnotta is a true hack. Seravalli is the best Goombah.

 

[Miller Time]

Not sure that Suzuki is doing more with less... he's not playing with a Caufield and Slafkovski. Pius Suter and Debrusk are not as good at all imo.

Are you suggesting you exp

 

[HuGort]

Just gonna paste here, another insiders recap from the legend @Vector himself. Some stuff regarding Montreal. The part about Montreal starts at 4:40 for those who want to listen.



Montreal Canadiens

• Primary objective is to both add and subtract
• David Savard, Christian Dvorak, Joel Armia, and Jake Evans are on expiring contracts and are available
• Canadiens want to re-sign Evans
• Mike Matheson’s name is also on the trade market
• May look to make a hockey trade

New York Rangers

• Firing Laviolette may be inevitable
• Has been hearing, since the holiday freeze lifted, that the Rangers continue to explore different types of moves on the trade market
• K’Andre Miller is out there and has generated interest
• Chris Kreider and Reilly Smith are on the market
• Two people close to the organization believe Mika Zibanejad would waive his NMC for the right environment
• Rangers haven’t asked Zibanejad to waive his NMC

Vancouver Canucks

• Canucks are not afraid to make moves early
• Doesn’t know if the Canucks will go “big game hunting” like last season
• There is some speculation around Elias Pettersson’s future but wouldn’t be surprised to hear more noise about that in the summer
• Thinks Allvin’s interview was about lighting a fire under his players & letting everyone know they are interested in making some changes
• Looking for a top-4 defenceman
• Would not be shocked if they add a scoring forward
• Canucks are looking and Allvin has admitted they are engaged in trade conversations
• History suggests moves sooner rather than later
• Neither Canucks nor Brock Boeser wanted to get overly serious about an extension until later into the season; thinks talks will begin to pick up
• Canucks have called out their guys and it’s now a matter of them stepping up

New York Islanders

• Will wait a month and see where they are in the schedule before making moves
• Teams have already reached out on players
• Both Kyle Palmieri and Brock Nelson would get 1st round picks back
• Thinks the Islanders will be aggressive in free agency
• Islanders host next season’s All-Star game

Good interview , a lot in there. Maybe build a deal around Matheson for Petey? Imagine we have to give up one of our young players like a Kapanen in it. Maybe a Dvorak also.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I love the idea of a big gamble as much as the next guy, but Pettersson is too much risk imo. Ever since his contract extension last season his stats have taken a considerable nose dive and apparently he's been struggling with tendinitis.

If we made a trade for him and gave up multiple prime assets like Caufield/1st/Mailloux/Beck etc... and he ends up just being 60-70 point guy making 11.6 million, then that could single handedly sink our rebuild.

 

[ReHabs]

I love the idea of a big gamble as much as the next guy, but Pettersson is too much risk imo. Ever since his contract extension last season his stats have taken a considerable nose dive and apparently he's been struggling with tendinitis.

If we made a trade for him and gave up multiple prime assets like Caufield/1st/Mailloux/Beck etc... and he ends up just being 60-70 point guy making 11.6 million, then that could single handedly sink our rebuild.
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This is exactly the problem. What happened to cause such a split in performance?

On the Canucks board (a nice and friendly bunch, I have to say) I received the following insight:

There's two major deficits. He's lost his speed and his shot and visually that is the entire problem with him.

His skating dropped off a cliff in January last year when he developed a knee injury and he hasn't skated with the speed he'd had in all of his previous 5 seasons since then. The skating issue last year was conclusively the knee injury and it was not fully resolved when this season started so it's most likely still the problem now. Our mgmt group clearly didn't learn anything from how they botched handling Mikheyev.

He never really had his shot last season even when he was scoring at 110+ point pace before his skating dropped off a cliff and no one knows why the shot is gone, explanations on our board range from hip and knee injuries to not enough likes on instagram and a seething hatred of Vancouver. No one has a clue, there hasn't been a scrap of info other than guesses and wild speculation from anyone on why this part of his game is gone.

 

[morhilane]

I don't remember which one, but one of the biggest hockey Youtubers said something along the lines of I try to cover all teams equally but Habs and Leafs videos bring me 10x more views. Must be the same for Insiders, just name dropping the Habs probably gets you a shit load of clicks/retweets/engagement.

They definitively do that, but here Pagnotta was doing his best Dreger or throwing everything at the well hoping something stick.

I will continue to think that if the Habs are near a playoffs spot or in it near the deadline they won't trade anyone. And they will try to re-sign their UFAs, since if they want to continue the team to "progress", they can't slot 4 more rookies next season...

 

[Habs Icing]

$11.6 mil for a complimentary C is not good. What is Demidov going to ask for when his contract comes up? Laine? I don't want a TML cap issue here.


I just don't think Petterson is the guy, but I understand your POV.

I totally agree with you. Paying someone $11.6 mil to go around giving compliments is a waste.

Petterson: Hey Laine, stop moping around and fire your ballistic missile. Slafy baby, you're a beast not just in bed. Try being one on the ice. CC what can I say, you're the midget man. Suzuki, if I say anything about you, I'll be accused of being anti-Asian. Monty, your play on the ice justifies your motor mouth. Did I forget anyone? Oh yeah, Marty you're good....for a pee wee coach.

Laine+Dach+2025 2nd for Pettersson. And Im fully serious. Both sides would be equally dissatisfied about it yet equally opportunistic to make it happen. Imo both sides would be equally stupid to do it but I still see it happening if offered.

I also believe that I will be called crazy for that suggestion, but I cant not say it when it came to me like this.

I guess your status as a Hab fan was short-lived.

 

[Habs Icing]

Ultimate question - is Pettersson the 90-100pts elite C or 70pts complementary C?

If you take away his one 100 point season he has basically Suzuki numbers and that was while playing on a more offensive team and not tasked to be a 2 way center.

 

[Vachon23]

If you take away his one 100 point season he has basically Suzuki numbers and that was while playing on a more offensive team and not tasked to be a 2 way center.

That’s not true

66 pts in 68 games in his 2nd season
89 pts last year

PPG during his career

And he’s a better defensive player then Suzuki by the way

If we can get Pettersson back at 100%, he’s becoming our best player. The question is what’s wrong with him now ? And like I said in a post before, it’s impossible for us to have the answer to that

 

[Habs Icing]

That’s not true

66 pts in 68 games in his 2nd season
89 pts last year

PPG during his career

And he’s a better defensive player then Suzuki by the way

If we can get Pettersson back at 100%, he’s becoming our best player. The question is what’s wrong with him now ? And like I said in a post before, it’s impossible for us to have the answer to that

Was Petterson asked to be the mainstay on the PK? Suzuki was the main PK centerman until this year. I said their records are basically the same if you remove the 100 point season. You mention Petterson's season last year. He's a year older than Suzuki so Elias's record last year corresponds to Nick's season this year. Guess what? Nick is on a PPG trajectory this year. Suzuki has had to play on a team that basically hasn't had a 2nd line for years. Also, he was asked to break in two rookies: Caufield and Slaf. Who did Petterson break in? He was made captain at 24. Petterson is captain of what? Throw into that mix the fact that Petterson costs 3 mil a season more and will require a king's ransom to get and his 5-10 extra points a year starts to look like chicken feed. And I haven't even mentioned anything about why the Canucks want to unload him.

P.S. I forgot to mention that Nick has yet to be injured for any amount of time. He has proven to be durable.

Looking at the stat sheet and seeing that Petterson has slightly better numbers is not the only criteria to examine.

 

[Vachon23]

Was Petterson asked to be the mainstay on the PK? Suzuki was the main PK centerman until this year. I said their records are basically the same if you remove the 100 point season. You mention Petterson's season last year. He's a year older than Suzuki so Elias's record last year corresponds to Nick's season this year. Guess what? Nick is on a PPG trajectory this year. Suzuki has had to play on a team that basically hasn't had a 2nd line for years. Also, he was asked to break in two rookies: Caufield and Slaf. Who did Petterson break in? He was made captain at 24. Petterson is captain of what? Throw into that mix the fact that Petterson costs 3 mil a season more and will require a king's ransom to get and his 5-10 extra points a year starts to look like chicken feed. And I haven't even mentioned anything about why the Canucks want to unload him.

P.S. I forgot to mention that Nick has yet to be injured for any amount of time. He has proven to be durable.

Looking at the stat sheet and seeing that Petterson has slightly better numbers is not the only criteria to examine.

EP have been more used in the PK then Suzuki each seasons since the 2020-21 seasons

It’s not only slightly better numbers, it’s way better numbers

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The only point I agree is yes EP had better support cast

 

[jrom]

He's a PPG, no.1center coming off a 102 point year, whose had a slow start due to a LOT of drama on his team, and coming into his prime. $11,000,000 is not a lot given the contracts that will start to be given out in the years to come and EP has the talent and would have the line mates to get him back to the 100+ point pace. Depending on the cost, as usual, he'd be an amazing addition and the best player on the Habs and elevate the entire team with his play.

I’m sorry but this is the rose-tinted glasses version of it. His GM just said he needs to mature, he is part of the drama (not an innocent bystander), there’s no guarantee he would “elevate everyone else” on the Habs.

Of course he’s no slouch but the cost would be huge (for a player that looks fragile).