HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

What do you think the ask for matheson would be?

I would say it starts with a 1st round pick

 

[Scriptor]

In the games I've watched Demidov play he already shows more awareness at both ends of the rink than Slaf.
Lane Hutson top started as a top four player in a tougher role Demidov can easily play a top six wing.
Does anyone believe the NCAA is a tougher league than the KHL because I don't.

Main camp day one I'm playing him with my top center and then I'd take it from there.
Celebrini is currently playing north of 19:00 for San Jose.
Demidov is certainly at or close to a Celebrini level player.

Definitely need to play Demidov with Suzuki and Laine to start training camp, IMO. You have two legitimate scorers in Suzuki and Laine.

Demidov will drive the play. Suzuki can easily give and take with the Russian while the Finn gets lost on the ice and find open space from which to take one-timers.

 

[HuGort]

Matheson for ROR and Schenn maybe. If Habs can't sign Evans. Allows trading of Savard and Evans. Without taking a step back. Gain a first and second. Schenn another defensive vet on right side. Move him next year for another second when Reinbacher, Mailloux ready. Same for ROR when Hage, Kapanen and Beck are more developed. Probably gain a first on him though. Be 2 first and 2 seconds for Matheson

 

[Treb]

So a foster family?

It's a sport specific thing. Teams pay a fee to a family to host the player. It's very frequent in junior hockey since the team they play for is often not their hometown team.

The term billet comes from centuries ago when a soldier was assigned a living space, which was sometimes a private dwelling that had to accommodate him.

TLDR it's a subtype of foster family specific to sport.

 

[EXPOS123]

I said it before and I’ll say it again anyways because they just won again, but I frickin love how the Jets are built.

Their GM is the best in the league bar none.

weren’t there people here saying Villiardi wouldn’t amount to anything special?

Lol he has 17 goals already

They really don’t seem to have any weaknesses but I wonder if Evans and Matheson would interest them for Yager

 

[Basszor]

This comment needs a pic, a GIF or a short video. Anything on Youtube ?

Got you brother

 

[themilosh]

With NYR crashing and burning, in dyer need of defense, what about RB plus Newhook for Laff?
Habs need to add to their top 6 depth.
Draft Mrtka to replenish the RHD prospect list.
Demi - Suzuki - Slaf
Laff - Dach - CC
Laine - Evans/Hage - Armia
Heinemen - Beck/Kapanen - Gally

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj-Struble

Monty
Dobes
Fowler

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I said it before and I’ll say it again anyways because they just won again, but I frickin love how the Jets are built.

Their GM is the best in the league bar none.

weren’t there people here saying Villiardi wouldn’t amount to anything special?

Lol he has 17 goals already

They really don’t seem to have any weaknesses but I wonder if Evans and Matheson would interest them for Yager

If they did that you just know Yager is busting meanwhile Evans will sign for 3 mill a year for 7 years and be a 45 point player while Matheson is dealt for magic beans that become a 60 point player and a very nice number 4 dman.

 

[DAChampion]

With NYR crashing and burning, in dyer need of defense, what about RB plus Newhook for Laff?
Habs need to add to their top 6 depth.
Draft Mrtka to replenish the RHD prospect list.
Demi - Suzuki - Slaf
Laff - Dach - CC
Laine - Evans/Hage - Armia
Heinemen - Beck/Kapanen - Gally

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj-Struble

Monty
Dobes
Fowler

The time to acquire Lafreniere was when nearly everyone agreed that he was a garbage player with no NHL level tools, and when he was struggling on their third line.

 

[themilosh]

The time to acquire Lafreniere was when nearly everyone agreed that he was a garbage player with no NHL level tools, and when he was struggling on their third line.

I tried but everyone went crazy saying he was a scrub. Lol

 

[Skip Bayless]

Slaf moved in with a billet family when he first arrived and management will have something planned for Demidov too. Doesn't necessarily need to be an active Russian player.

Man I hope the mom wasn't too good looking because if not

 

[Scriptor]

No idea. Has lost Covid issues but outside of that, it’s a medical stuff question and PTO situation IMO.


I’d have no problem keeping Armia on a cheap home town discount contract. He’s been great for what he does and helps drive the 4th line, big body penalty killer and take away machine who chip in offence. Sub $2M for 2-3 years and I wouldn’t object. Very useful player.

Would keep Armia on a three year deal at 2M per year. Her's not a cancer in the rooms a strong puck protection beast for a forechecking fourth line that can keep the puck in the O-zone and wear out opponents.

He also has decent defensive chops at even strength and is a strong PK contributor.

Evans-Armia makes a strong tandem against opponents' best players.

If you're going to keep Evans and can get a home discount contract signature from Armia, I'd do it, for sure.

After letting Dvorak go, just look optimistically (yet still realistically) at filling out the roster next season, all while being stuck with Gallagher and Anderson:

Demidov - Suzuki - Laine
Caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky
Heineman - Evans - Armia
Anderson - Beck - Gallagher
Roy

The problem is still Gallagher and Anderson's contracts. If we can somehow move either one by holding back salary for two years, I'd do it, preferably Gallagher, because Anderson fills a need with size and speed and a role on the PK, even though the salary is too high for the contribution.

I'd love to see the following dozen with Gallagher gone:

Demidov - Suzuki - Laine
Caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky
Anderson - Evans - Armia
Heineman - Beck - Roy
In two years, Montreal can hold back half of Anderson, salary to move on from him in the final year of his contract and open up another roster spot for a deserving prospect.

Three years from now, in the final year of his contract, Armia can become the 13th forward and serve as insurance in case of injuries in the bottom-6.

Youngsters needn't be rushed and we can gear up for a playoff push in four years, with Beck, Roy, Hage and whomever we pick in the first round of the 2025 draft having replaced the likes of Dvorak, Gallagher, Anderson and, finally, Armia:

Demidov - Suzuki - Laine
Caufield - Dach - Slafkovsky
Heineman - Desnoyers - Hage
Roy - Beck - Evans

The depth at C, with Suzuki, Dach, Desnoyers, Hage, Beck and Evans would make the C-line almost injury proof.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Slaf moved in with a billet family when he first arrived and management will have something planned for Demidov too. Doesn't necessarily need to be an active Russian player.

For those old enough to remember Youngblood. Here's the best billet ever...

 

[tazsub3]

While Schneider is a solid defenceman, the drop-off in mobility between him and Matheson would be stark. Without Matheson, our team would be much more vulnerable to a strong forecheck and less dynamic in transition and in game situations where speed and fluidity is paramount (4 on 4, overtime and the powerplay). Unless you are able to replace Matheson's mobility, any transaction where Matheson is traded away would constitute a material step backwards.

The reality is that it would be near impossible to replace Matheson's skill levels with any player who has a sub $5 million contract. What people forget is that in the construction of any NHL team, cap implications are as important a factor as projected on ice contributions. For that reason alone, it is highly unlikely that Hughes will be moving this extremely cost effective player.

Agree and Matheson at a lower usage rate is already making less mistakes

 

[Treb]

With NYR crashing and burning, in dyer need of defense, what about RB plus Newhook for Laff?
Habs need to add to their top 6 depth.
Draft Mrtka to replenish the RHD prospect list.
Demi - Suzuki - Slaf
Laff - Dach - CC
Laine - Evans/Hage - Armia
Heinemen - Beck/Kapanen - Gally

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj-Struble

Monty
Dobes
Fowler

How many 7M+ wingers do we need?

If additional money is spent on the top6, it should be a C.

 

[Blame the referee]

What should we offer for Elias Pettersson?

I don’t think we’re gonna be able to draft a number 1 center, so why not trade for one who is not too old

 

[TheBuriedHab]

With NYR crashing and burning, in dyer need of defense, what about RB plus Newhook for Laff?
Habs need to add to their top 6 depth.
Draft Mrtka to replenish the RHD prospect list.
Demi - Suzuki - Slaf
Laff - Dach - CC
Laine - Evans/Hage - Armia
Heinemen - Beck/Kapanen - Gally

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj-Struble

Monty
Dobes
Fowler

You don't trade defenseman as good as RB for wingers. Especially when you have have just spent a 1st and 5th overall on wingers lmao.

That defense looks terrible. Mailloux is still a wildcard to even make it to the NHL, Struble is a 7th defenseman and Carrier ideally is a 3rd pairing guy on a championship team.

 

[Goalfield13]

What should we offer for Elias Pettersson?

I don’t think we’re gonna be able to draft a number 1 center, so why not trade for one who is not too old

I don't think we have the assets to get it done without actually making us weaker at the same time.

 

[themilosh]

You can have the same argument for those who want to trade Jake Evans for a ''1st''. If even they can get that.

To be fair, you also have to look at players taken after the 31st pick.

But yeah, picks taken outside of the top 20 have a low probability of success.

Which is why i wished we'd select the youngest possible "fallers" after round 2. An 11 month age gap btw players at D⁰ is steep, out of the 6 unicorns targeted thereafter; start with the youngest.

 

[themilosh]

You don't trade defenseman as good as RB for wingers. Especially when you have have just spent a 1st and 5th overall on wingers lmao.

That defense looks terrible. Mailloux is still a wildcard to even make it to the NHL, Struble is a 7th defenseman and Carrier ideally is a 3rd pairing guy on a championship team.

There's a swath of picks and assets that can be used to acquire a RHD (back).. i agree RB should carry more weight, but a knee injury takes extra time, and who really knows after that? Laff is a legit and proven 1LW (unlike Drouin), that's what we are acquiring..

If he’s up for it, sure. If he can only be a 3rd line center with experience and chip in points while shutting down opposition, I’d take that too!

Id say hed probably be similar to a Tavares.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

With NYR crashing and burning, in dyer need of defense, what about RB plus Newhook for Laff?
Habs need to add to their top 6 depth.
Draft Mrtka to replenish the RHD prospect list.
Demi - Suzuki - Slaf
Laff - Dach - CC
Laine - Evans/Hage - Armia
Heinemen - Beck/Kapanen - Gally

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Mailloux
Xhekaj-Struble

Monty
Dobes
Fowler

With that projected defence I would suggest that we would remain a lottery team for the foreseeable future.

 

[Habs Icing]

pretty sure the poster was trying to relate this Russian to former Russians who have come through and fallen for this Montreal snow. There is nothing racist in identifying a trend and taking the steps towards negating it. There was no racist part. You are choosing to create controversy and not showing charity to the argument he was trying to make. Something standard around the league may I add

Can you name for us these Russians who came through and fell for Montreal snow? I can think of only two: the Kostitsyn bros and they're not even Russian. I can counter that with Petrov and Markov who didn't. So it looks like to me the Russians are not more susceptible than any other group.

I agree with the idea of mentoring Demigod but it doesn't necessarily have to be a Russian.

 

[Habs Icing]

Don't be ridiculous, He was talking about players far from home.

No, he wasn't. He was talking about Russians far from home.

 

[Habs Icing]

Man I hope the mom wasn't too good looking because if not

What the F*** was that? Their mating calls.

 

[ReHabs]

I don't think we have the assets to get it done without actually making us weaker at the same time.

Depends entirely on how the Canucks see him. A cap burden, a distracted-by-the-pressure (ie unreliable in the playoffs), a fallen star, bound to rebound?

If they view the rest of their roster as 'in place' and him as a potential burden (or even a bad influence), they'll be incentivized to get out from under it before the NTC kicks in after this season. Reading between the lines it seems like VAN are not happy with how he's reacted since signing the contract.

The Habs have an interesting opportunity if they want to pursue it... I would definitely ring and ask what's up. What needs evaluation is if there are lingering injury issues plaguing Pettersson or if he somehow burned himself out in VAN and is bound to rebound elsewhere. We could be getting a superstar C if it is the latter condition... or we could be picking up a lemon at a very high cap hit, like a Scott Gomez, if it is the former condition.