HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Benstheman]

He's been great, but his cap hit is too high. If we could get that down we should re-sign him. It's good to have another Fin on the team for Laine. And YoWell is liked in the room. He's a good vet to keep around at the right price.

3X2,5M$ I do it.

 

[Theodore450]

@Sorinth is among the better posters here, and has been for several years.

I’m only commenting on the post where he tried to imply it was racist to want someone from the same culture/ background to help mentor the player.

His past posting doesn’t concern me

 

[Sorinth]

I’m only commenting on the post where he tried to imply it was racist to want someone from the same culture/ background to help mentor the player.

His past posting doesn’t concern me

The racist part was the reason given by that poster which was that as a Russian Demidov is more at risk of getting involved in the seedy parts of Montreal life then non-Russians. And the evidence for this claim was we've had issues with Russian/Belarusian players in the past.

 

[CaptnNemo]

This comment needs a pic, a GIF or a short video. Anything on Youtube ?

How about this?

 

[Theodore450]

The racist part was the reason given by that poster which was that as a Russian Demidov is more at risk of getting involved in the seedy parts of Montreal life then non-Russians. And the evidence for this claim was we've had issues with Russian/Belarusian players in the past.

pretty sure the poster was trying to relate this Russian to former Russians who have come through and fallen for this Montreal snow. There is nothing racist in identifying a trend and taking the steps towards negating it. There was no racist part. You are choosing to create controversy and not showing charity to the argument he was trying to make. Something standard around the league may I add

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

pretty sure the poster was trying to relate this Russian to former Russians who have come through and fallen for this Montreal snow. There is nothing racist in identifying a trend and taking the steps towards negating it. There was no racist part. You are choosing to create controversy and not showing charity to the argument he was trying to make. Something standard around the league may I add

Demidov gives off the Crosby vibe, we probably don't have to be concerned.

 

[Sorinth]

pretty sure the poster was trying to relate this Russian to former Russians who have come through and fallen for this Montreal snow. There is nothing racist in identifying a trend and taking the steps towards negating it. There was no racist part. You are choosing to create controversy and not showing charity to the argument he was trying to make. Something standard around the league may I add

So we need to get Joshua Roy a minder because of Ribeiro right?

 

[Theodore450]

Demidov gives off the Crosby vibe, we probably don't have to be concerned.

I was just defending his argument, not saying it’s an absolute must. This is something Management should only truly know. All we can do is speculate possibilities

So we need to get Joshua Roy a minder because of Ribeiro right?

You wanna keep being disingenuous to the argument? You’re comparing an older lower tier prospect who is Canadian to a 19 year year old Russian who can barely speak any of the languages and has the pressure of being the star of the team.
Like dude are you Fr rn?

 

[Sorinth]

You wanna keep being disingenuous to the argument? You’re comparing an older lower tier prospect who is Canadian to a 19 year year old Russian who can barely speak any of the languages and has the pressure of being the star of the team.
Like dude are you Fr rn?

So forget Roy, should we be extra careful about drafting Desnoyer if he falls to us in this upcoming draft because we've had issues with Quebec players over the years? Or do we judge players by who they are rather then where they are from and on past players that have no relevance.

And Demidov speaks English very well, he's at least as good as Slaf's English was after being drafted. And language was specifically called out as not being the reason by the OP. So where were the calls to get a veteran Slovak player to keep him from getting into trouble?

 

[Theodore450]

So forget Roy, should we be extra careful about drafting Desnoyer if he falls to us in this upcoming draft because we've had issues with Quebec players over the years? Or do we judge players by who they are rather then where they are from and on past players that have no relevance.

And Demidov speaks English very well, he's at least as good as Slaf's English was after being drafted. And language was specifically called out as not being the reason by the OP. So where were the calls to get a veteran Slovak player to keep him from getting into trouble?

I give up man. Straw man whoever you want. It won’t be me

 

[McGees]

Well I'm not sure how good Sidney Crosbys English was coming from Nova Scotia, or if he had a proclivity for various degenerate vices, but Mario " suggested " to him to come live with him and his family after the Pens drafted Sid the Kid, and it wasn't a question.

I have no issue bubble wrapping every one of our top picks/ prospects and having them wear a body cam with a tracking device, though I'm thinking various employment and possible criminal laws would be violated.

That's my point. Give your young stars every opportunity to succeed.

I don't think Ovechkin had any Russians on the team in his rookie season and he was fine. Demidov has some charisma he'll be fine.

It's not just about Russians, if you have a Russian vet, great, charisma has nothing to do with having a mentor show you how to eat, train, take care of your body and conduct yourself as a professional. We want them to succeed!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

So forget Roy, should we be extra careful about drafting Desnoyer if he falls to us in this upcoming draft because we've had issues with Quebec players over the years? Or do we judge players by who they are rather then where they are from and on past players that have no relevance.

And Demidov speaks English very well, he's at least as good as Slaf's English was after being drafted. And language was specifically called out as not being the reason by the OP. So where were the calls to get a veteran Slovak player to keep him from getting into trouble?

Don't be ridiculous, He was talking about players far from home.

 

[DAChampion]

So forget Roy, should we be extra careful about drafting Desnoyer if he falls to us in this upcoming draft because we've had issues with Quebec players over the years? Or do we judge players by who they are rather then where they are from and on past players that have no relevance.

And Demidov speaks English very well, he's at least as good as Slaf's English was after being drafted. And language was specifically called out as not being the reason by the OP. So where were the calls to get a veteran Slovak player to keep him from getting into trouble?

Perhaps Slaf did need a mentor but he didn't necessarily need to be Slovak.

Sometimes people of neighbouring countries can help too, I remember Kovalev helped out Kostitsyn.

 

[orphanizer]

Slaf moved in with a billet family when he first arrived and management will have something planned for Demidov too. Doesn't necessarily need to be an active Russian player.

 

[DAChampion]

Slaf moved in with a billet family when he first arrived and management will have something planned for Demidov too. Doesn't necessarily need to be an active Russian player.

I'm curious, how does one become a billet family?

Not that I'd ever want to do it.

 

[vokiel]

Slaf moved in with a billet family when he first arrived and management will have something planned for Demidov too. Doesn't necessarily need to be an active Russian player.

WTF is a billet family? Sounds like some strip club thing.

 

[Sorinth]

Perhaps Slaf did need a mentor but he didn't necessarily need to be Slovak.

Sometimes people of neighbouring countries can help too, I remember Kovalev helped out Kostitsyn.

And the same is true for Demidov, having someone be a mentor to him makes sense. But it doesn't have to be a Russian speaking one, and whatever trouble the Kostitsyn's got into it has no bearing on how likely it is for Demidov to get into trouble.

The real question is does that mentor already exist in the organization. It's hard to say as fans since it involves a lot of behind the scenes stuff, not least of which is the significant other of the mentor if Demidov is going to be living with them. And honestly there's even an argument for someone like Lecavalier, Laine seemed to have an openess to it since he did it with Fantilli in CLB, and I'm sure there are others who would be happy.

 

[Fatbiggie]

WTF is a billet family? Sounds like some strip club thing.

Famille d’accueil in French

 

[vokiel]

Famille d’accueil in French

So a foster family?

 

[Fatbiggie]

So a foster family?

Yes basically, same thing as players in the CHL who plays abroad

 

[SwiftyHab]

If someone offers a 1st for Evans, I'm sorry but he's gone.

If someone offers a 2nd for Savard he's gone.

Armia is probably a 2nd at this point,

Dvorak has to be gone regardless of the return.

 

[Scriptor]

While Schneider is a solid defenceman, the drop-off in mobility between him and Matheson would be stark. Without Matheson, our team would be much more vulnerable to a strong forecheck and less dynamic in transition and in game situations where speed and fluidity is paramount (4 on 4, overtime and the powerplay). Unless you are able to replace Matheson's mobility, any transaction where Matheson is traded away would constitute a material step backwards.

The reality is that it would be near impossible to replace Matheson's skill levels with any player who has a sub $5 million contract. What people forget is that in the construction of any NHL team, cap implications are as important a factor as projected on ice contributions. For that reason alone, it is highly unlikely that Hughes will be moving this extremely cost effective player.

Cost effective for just another year after this, all while Matheson's low Cap hit is more valuable to another team than it actually is to Montreal, a team that isn't in a cap crunch and whose ability to eat up to half of Matheson's already low Cap hit for this year and next can further increase the veteran D's value in a trade.

Your analysis of his mobility is a little harsh, IMO. While he might not have the exact same fluidity as Matheson on skates, Schneider's skating ability is considered one of his strengths, along with his defensive chops, the physicality in his game and his ability to play big minutes.

If Schneider were to play alongside Hutson, for example, Hutson could be the elusive skater that carries the puck up ice on that pairing.

After that, either we continue to pair Carrier with Guhle, with similar results to when Carrier was playing alongside Ekholm, or Reinbacher eventually earns a shutdown role alongside Guhle.

Xhekaj - Carrier

-OR-

Xhekaj - Reinbacher

to round things out.

With Mailloux playing in a beer league somewhere, based on your analysis of how horrible a D he is and how close he is to being proclaimed a complete bust.

 

[EXTRAS]

Will Habs trade matheson now that hutson took his job on the pp?

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Will Habs trade matheson now that hutson took his job on the pp?

Hopefully. And make a trade for a real RD partner for Lane

 

[EXTRAS]

Hopefully. And make a trade for a real RD partner for Lane

What do you think the ask for matheson would be?