HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Leto]

That's a lot of money/term for them to take.

Especially for a guy with an extensive history of shoulder injuries.

 

[Habssince89]

Depends if HuGo thinks Mailloux will ever have passable defence at the next level. They may not and they aren't the ones who drafted him.

tbh he has great potential but I wouldn't mind if we made a lateral move for a C using him. Just needs to be a quality player coming back. I worry about him being a one-way D

 

[Walksss]

Jiricek for Mailloux straight up. Does CLB say no? Do we?

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Jiricek for Mailloux straight up. Does CLB say no? Do we?

We do.

Molson took all the heat that went along with drafting Mailloux, and Hughes made it a personal mission to ensure he met and exceeded all the expectations that the organization had for him before even contemplating negotiations on a ELC contract.

Mailloux missed a ton of time in his development stage before being tossed into a full season of AHL hockey, where he thrived as a rookie. This year, he’s over a PPG (12 games, 13 points) so far. That type of point projection isn’t something you dismiss easily.

Ultimately the two players have put up similar points numbers in their AHL careers but the Habs have a lot more vested into Mailloux at this point, and I feel like he may have the higher ceiling offensively. Defensively he’s still an adventure, but you can teach defense. I see it as two guys going in different directions - Jiricek seems to have dropped substantially from where he was expected to be, while Mailloux is improving.

Just my 0.02$

 

[themilosh]

Just goes to show the level of parity in the NHL, playoffs are no longer a given for any team and there are no powerhouse teams..

I think it's more like 5 powerhouse teams, 7 very weak teams and 20 total tossups.

We do.

Molson took all the heat that went along with drafting Mailloux, and Hughes made it a personal mission to ensure he met and exceeded all the expectations that the organization had for him before even contemplating negotiations on a ELC contract.

Mailloux missed a ton of time in his development stage before being tossed into a full season of AHL hockey, where he thrived as a rookie. This year, he’s over a PPG (12 games, 13 points) so far. That type of point projection isn’t something you dismiss easily.

Ultimately the two players have put up similar points numbers in their AHL careers but the Habs have a lot more vested into Mailloux at this point, and I feel like he may have the higher ceiling offensively. Defensively he’s still an adventure, but you can teach defense. I see it as two guys going in different directions - Jiricek seems to have dropped substantially from where he was expected to be, while Mailloux is improving.

Just my 0.02$

Which is why it would be a fair trade.

 

[ReHabs]

I’m going to be quite sad to see Jiricek go somewhere else when the Habs have the ammunition to get it done and a need for RD

Sitting on them while the team craters, Kent Hughes has the warmest hands in the league.

 

[HuGort]

No idea why we suddenly “need” David Jiricek, and why we’d ever entertain moving a top notch prospect in Owen Beck?

For a guy who can’t crack the Columbus Blue Jackets starting rotation. They ain’t exactly the 1970s Habs with the big 3 back there.

Owen Beck is a winner. All he does is win. Everywhere he goes. He’s loved by all of his coaches, his teammates. He’s incredibly intelligent (on and off the ice), he wins draws like a machine, and he plays with a mean streak that can cross the line. He can kill penalties, and using his elite speed he will always be a threat shorthanded. Strong defensive game overshadows the fact that he has a vicious and accurate shot. He reminds me of a similar cerebral player from Peterborough, who wore the captain’s “C” for many years and has his number in the rafters.

In short, he’s everything you’d want in a third line center. You don’t give up on guys like that, he’s the gritty/talented type of player that we need MORE of, not less, and in this case you’d be trading a sure fire NHL player for some magic beans. I’m shocked that some folks would even consider it if I’m being honest.

I would stay away from Jiricek. He was recent 6th overall pick and now he's for sale? Definitely something wrong with him.

History shows these deals rarely workout. Drouin, Dach, Newhook, Barron. Skilled but have issues. It's a bad policy to have. All you doing is giving up first round picks for somebody else's junk.

 

[vokiel]

I think they trade RHP to CGY for Pelletier before the end of his conditioning stint. Makes sense?

Or straight after, depending on the rules for stints.

 

[habsfan891]

I see the Penguins got Tomasino for a 4th round pick I think I would have beat that he can't possibly be worse that what we have

 

[417]

Jiricek for Mailloux straight up. Does CLB say no? Do we?

What's the point?

I'd want to add Jiricek, not swap out Mailloux.

 

[Egresch]

I see the Penguins got Tomasino for a 4th round pick I think I would have beat that he can't possibly be worse that what we have

No need for that. We have RHP and Laine coming back from injuries and Pezzeta is still not playing.

 

[morhilane]

I see the Penguins got Tomasino for a 4th round pick I think I would have beat that he can't possibly be worse that what we have

Tomasino is not an upgrade on anything the Habs have. He only played half the Preds games on the 4th line (~11m TOI) on a team doing worst than the Habs.

He's just another reclamation project.

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

What's the point?

I'd want to add Jiricek, not swap out Mailloux.

I’m of the mindset to keep our guys in all honesty.

The only thing with acquiring Jiricek, is that if Mailloux our Reinbacher don’t go back the other way is that the right side though it would potentially be fully loaded would have one of them possibly playing the 3rd pair.

Guhle Reinbacher
Hutson Jiricek
Matheson Mailloux
Xhekaj Barron

That’s if they go pick and a different prospect or piece. Personally I like the production both Mailloux and Reinbacher have had at the AHL and feel like Mailloux can work and be taught more of the defensive side. Offense is harder to teach and is one of those things you have it or you don’t. Mailloux has an offensive touch and has size.

Jiricek in the AHL has looked good too. Personally it feels like keeping your homegrown talent over similar production in the AHL from a different talent which some look at the prospect being from greener pastures.

 

[vokiel]

I see the Penguins got Tomasino for a 4th round pick I think I would have beat that he can't possibly be worse that what we have

He's not a NHLer afaik, so I'm not sure why you'd want him for anything. I don't even think we'd put a claim if he hits waivers.

 

[morhilane]

So Jiricek haven't been traded yet. I guess that goes into Friedman's "95% chance he comes to MTL", "Markstrom has been traded" (actually traded 3 months later) and "Necas is getting traded this next week" pile.

 

[vokiel]

So Jiricek haven't been traded yet. I guess that goes into Friedman's "95% chance he comes to MTL", "Markstrom has been traded" (actually traded 3 months later) and "Necas is getting traded this next week" pile.

Someone said 48 hours, Servalli? So we can call bullshit tomorrow evening.

 

[Lockin17]

Would you trade Dach for Zegras ?

 

[morhilane]

Would you trade Dach for Zegras ?

Stop it with Zegras. Habs don't need another small soft unidimensional forward.

Someone said 48 hours, Servalli? So we can call bullshit tomorrow evening.

Looking at things, I thought it was Friedman who said the "tonight", but it's Seravalli it seems and it was also Seravalli who then moved to 24-48 hours.

 

[Draft]

I think they trade RHP to CGY for Pelletier before the end of his conditioning stint. Makes sense?

Or straight after, depending on the rules for stints.

I’m not opposed to it but I’m not sure why either team makes this move. What’s your thought process? Just fresh starts for similar players?

 

[vokiel]

Would you trade Dach for Zegras ?

No point in doing so since they both suck, Dach's RFA contract is more manageable, so no.

I’m not opposed to it but I’m not sure why either team makes this move. What’s your thought process? Just fresh starts for similar players?

Correct, a trade for the players more than for the teams. Pelletier cleared waivers already so he can join Laval straight. RHP gets a short stint on CGY's roster before hitting the waivers himself.

 

[Andy]

The Jiricek stuff makes me laugh. He's the exact type of player that requires the patience some are unwilling to give to Dach, Slaf, Newhook, Barron, Reinbacher.

 

[Saundies]

Not into Jiricek at all.

I would do Dach for Zegras. Zegras has at least done something in the league.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

Would never trade zegras for dach. Zegras is not physical/inexplicable drop in offense. He would handcuff a top 6 spot because he has no place in bottom 6 and i do not project a good playoff performance. I still see a possible Bennett-lite renaissance for Dach. Before his injury, he had stretch of physical dominance/brilliance. He can be at worst a 3RW with potential for good playoff performance (small sample size but great Chicago playoffs). We always see poor season after major surgery. We said that we will be patient… Poor Laine… Watch out

 

[Kosseca]

The Jiricek stuff makes me laugh. He's the exact type of player that requires the patience some are unwilling to give to Dach, Slaf, Newhook, Barron, Reinbacher.

Not only that, but to get him you'll need to pay the "high ceiling" price, while any asset we give will be valued at its floor price.

Lots of talk about Jiricek, but he's not what this team need (a better potential version of Mailloux). The Reinbacher injury is really messing thing up here, hard to gage the need on RD without knowing what he can do.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Just saw online that Sens are looking at making trades and one name they're looking to move is Josh Norris.

I think he would be a great 2C. However, he's injury prone, and we don't need more of that, especially as a 2C.

But he produces. He's played 4 years in the NHL, although it's more like 3 years as one of those years, he missed almost the entire year (only played 8 games). And even those 3 years, he didn't play a full season.

2020-21 (rookie year): 35 pts (17G, 18A) in 56 GP
2021-22: 55 pts (35G, 20A) in 66 GP
2022-23 missed all year. Only played 8 games (3 pts)
2023-24: 30 pts (16G, 14A) in 50 GP

This year, he has 14 pts (8G, 6A) in 21 GP. He's on pace for 54 pts (31G, 23A) in 82 GP

He's not a big body, but he's not small (6'1" and 198 lbs).