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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season
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Remember how brutal Dadonov was in Montreal? A top 6 player in Dallas
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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bro he had 20 points last season lmao
Literally the same production he had in Montreal , hes bad.
like people overrate Kovacevic. If you have Kovacevic in ur top 4 , ur def sucks
Gravity
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Need an upgrade on Guhle seeing as how he'll never reach his potential since he spends half of each season at least injured.
Lol. A team needs a bit of everything. Sure, I agree, whatever works. My thinking is a power forward type able to put up 50 points will make a line produce better than a 60 point finesse guy, given what our top 6 looks like.
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Firstly, I didn't ask any questions.
Secondly, think about what you are saying. If the Devils are a better team than the Habs that means Kovacevic had stiffer competition. Competition that to date has not outpaced him. He has the most points and the highest +/- on that defence corps. And the 3rd most TOI. Either the Habs didn't know how to use him or their system is not conducive to defensemen. There's a third possibility but it's a highly unlikely one. Kovacevic improved immensely over the summer.
I'm not saying he was an undiscovered Bobby Orr when with the Habs. I'm saying over the summer management made a decision. They thought Hutson and Barron were ready so they unloaded Harris and Kovacevic. At the moment results tell me that the former two were not ready. They should have sent down Hutson and rotated Barron in and out of the lineup. That's the primary point I take from that.
The secondary point is that whatever defensive system (or concepts) MSL is implementing is not working. You just have to look at the team's horrible play in their own zone. They have 5 points and that's because the goalies stood on their heads in those three games.
And yes I know most fans don't agree with my take on Hutson. Defensively, he needs to play in the A. And Offensively he has 4 points 2 of which were secondary assists and all 4 came in the first 2 games. Word has gone out and the league is adapting to Hutson's jitterbuging. And very, very soon they'll pick up on the fact his backward skating is terrible and he compensates by skating forward and turning his back to most of the ice.
Untestable hypothesis. Pure personal preference I think. Though you did originally say 45-50 points in which casze the ONLY was I want a 45 point guy on the second line is if he is prime Lehkonen or Danault-level defensively. A big guy not good defensively playing 2nd line minutes and putting up 45 points is n ot vberty helpful in my books.
Well, I am not surprised at all. Hutson is playing as I thought he would, pacing to 47 points and a -60. He would have been better off briefly in the AHL for anywhere from 30 to 60 games.
Hutson is nowhere near ready to replace Matheson yet. He is not producing more offensively, makes more gaffes and turnovers, is softer in his own zone and the skating is MILES behind Mike's. Lane is not even ready for a top-4 role yet. He will be, I think, but patience would have been better to give him time to address the things he needs to work on.
I have no issue with the Harris trade, in view of the massive potential upside in return. Kovacevic on the other hand may have ideally been superfluous, but considering the return, I would rather have him at WORST alternating with Savard in the 3rd pair.
Kova was moved because the club was gambling on Mailloux being ready and Savard holding his form. The gamble is not paying off so far. Even if you don't mind getting a mide-round pick for him, I think he might have fetched more at the TDL and rendered fair services for his cap hit until then.
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In comparison to a 60 point finesse guy, I will take a 47.5 ( 45-50 ) bigger more physical player.
WTH? Why did we let Tanner Pearson go?? I’m so pissed. Fire Kent Snooze. 
Might want to revisit the use of the word "so" at the start of a sentence.
Not necessarily.
Being a better team does not mean better depth at every position.
Regardless, the organization context also factors in, this isn't a video game.
Yes, all with Pesce, a UFA RD addition, and Hughes, a highly regarded part of their future, injured. Kovacevic is a very nice depth piece to have, as he was with us... No debate there.
He also leads NJ in D PK time... NJs PK is worse than Mtls through this same sample size.
Habs used him 3rd most of all their dmen in his 2 years here... Injuries to better players opening up the door for him to play more than intended. Exactly like NJ.
So you think Kovacevic' play in these 7 games is a reflection of "immense improvement over the summer". Might want to rethink your understanding of athlete progression and development.
You assume this. I don't think it's a well grounded assumption.
More plausible is that
- they anticipated that 1 or both of Strubble & Xhekaj were going to be better off in Montreal than Laval (accurate)
- did not want to expose Barron to waivers (I agree, some would disagree)
- anticipated 1 or both of Hutson & RB would push for an NHL spot (accurate)
- did not have certainty of trading Harris
Injuries to Guhle, Strubble, RB and now Barron, obviously open up room today, but on June 30th that wasn't the case and getting a return for him vs losing him to waivers was a sound decision.
Getting a 4th suggest that there was no market for him as anything more han a depth player.
Roster management is a numbers game. Keeping Kovacevic, a known entity whom they decided is not a piece they wanted to prioritize for the future, didn't work. That doesn't mean they didn't think he was a better today option than any of the young players they opted to keep room for. They aren't managing the roster with a "win now" focus.
Hindsight is a wonderful drug. Future telling skill is better used at the lotto station.
You forget RB & Harris. I don't think there's a reasonable case to be made of benching Barron based on this small sample size. He's the new whipping boy, but overall his play warranted staying in the lineup. Guhle's injury is the issue, and while having Kovacevic to plug in would've been better than calling up Mailloux, waivers is an issue.
Hutson is where he should be.
There's another thread for that. Not interested rehasing this here.
Also not really a thread for this. I disagree with your assessment, and think your dissection of his points is a perfect example of a terribly grounded take. Perhaps you didn't watch the games you're speaking about, because if you did
Now do Michkov and his ES & +/- stat lines (but beware the pitchforks, some with strong opinions may not be as delicate in their rebuttals lol)
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Sterling Archer
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Anyone saying Kovy is the reason Habs are losing need to be banned and have their fan status revoked immediately. Reminds me of when fans were crying for Roberge to be recalled to “right the ship.”
Bottom pairing D and forward’s do not impact whether a team wins or loses. If Kovy was a determining factor in any Habs win or loss, they’d be more f***ed than any team in Habs history.
Bottom pairing D and forward’s do not impact whether a team wins or loses. If Kovy was a determining factor in any Habs win or loss, they’d be more f***ed than any team in Habs history.
What's fascinating is people not seeming to understand that acquiring a player like Kovacevic is easy to do.
The timing sucks. Had the Harris trade & RB injury happened earlier, they probably don't trade him and he'd be a helpful stop gap early in the season... But hindsight is hindsight. At the time, I didn't love the return (hoped a 3rd) but can't fault the reasoning.
Just wait till Evans gets traded to a contender at the deadline and goes on to win a cup as that teams 3C...
According to Berg trades are hard.What's fascinating is people not seeming to understand that acquiring a player like Kovacevic is easy to do.
The timing sucks. Had the Harris trade & RB injury happened earlier, they probably don't trade him and he'd be a helpful stop gap early in the season... But hindsight is hindsight. At the time, I didn't love the return (hoped a 3rd) but can't fault the reasoning.
Just wait till Evans gets traded to a contender at the deadline and goes on to win a cup as that teams 3C...
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They play him alot. I watch Dallas alot and he plays in all situations. Wow 20 points
Beendair Donedat
You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
We have heard the rumour of us looking for a top 4RHD. Not sure that makes sense to me. So are we dropping or trading one of Matheson or Guhle ? Savard who is working well with Hutson be dropped to bottom pair ? Why would we drop Savard to bottom pair ? So then one of Struble or Xhekaj gone ? I mean getting Rasmus Andersson is one thing , but getting Not much of an upgrade over Savard makes no sense, and moving Matheson right now doesn't seem like something Hughes would do.
