And Jeff Petry got Montreal Matheson, and then a year later got Montreal a 4th. For every Chiarot getting a 1st there's an Edmundson getting a 3rd, or worse.
Yes, the Penguins completely misevaluated not only Jeff Petry, but Mike Matheson. Hughes fleeced the Pens, I don't think that's necessarily reflective of Matheson's value or what he's become for the Habs.
You don't like the Chiarot example, use the host of other Dmen who have been traded in recent years. Hell, just look at this past deadline, Chris Tanev, Erik Johnson, Joel Edmunson went for a 3rd and a 5th for God's sake lol.
Except this season was an outlier one for Matheson, on a bad team. There is not a team in the NHL that would look at Matheson and say that's the 25+ min, 60+ point D-man I need. And its not what Montreal should be thinking either.
Except this season past season, looked a lot like Matheson's first year in Montreal and I suspect that if he's here again this year and is healthy, his numbers are going to look very similar.
Of course, most NHL teams wouldn't look at Matheson as a 25+ min, 60+ point Dman they need, but I think there's quite a bit who would say that there's a player I can plug into my top 4, who won't cost me a lot in salary, whose productive, is one of the NHL's best skaters.
Like come on man lol i'm not Matheson's biggest fan...but we're watching a Stanley Cup Final where there's guys like Philip Broberg, Darnell Nurse, Dmitry Kulikov, OEL and Mikkola playing top 4 mins.
Can we stop acting like Matheson is some scrub please?
That's literally what I said. But lets not pretend there isn't overlap. Montreal didn't trade for the likes of Dach and Newhook solely because of what they did in the NHL, because they were incredibly underwhelming in the NHL. No front office is so rigid as to only consider one or the other.
Of course not, but there was some track record...and furthermore, the Habs didn't trade an established top pairing (whether you think he is or not, that's what he is in Montreal) to acquire either player.
Matter of fact, Kent Hughes traded Alex Romanov and a 4th round pick to acquire a 13th overall pick that he flipped for Dach, and somehow, you think Matheson AND a 1st round pick is worth a 10th overall?
All due respect, but something not adding up there.
This is my biggest problem, because you're crossing your fingers whatever way you go. You're either:
-crossing your fingers the player you pick at 10th overall is more Miko Rantanen than Tyson Jost.
-crossing your fingers the player you trade for is more Sam Reinhart than Jesperi Kotkaniemi.
-crossing your fingers that the 30 year old D-man who just had a career year will maintain their current performance and either have decent trade value later or will resign a good contract when Montreal can be realistically competitive.
There is zero reason to be reductive or to take an extreme position of no top-10 pick. Its a determination made based on the potential trade market and lots of inputs.
Again, I think the gap here is that I think Matheson is a huge trade chip, he's an established player...he's not a "hopeful" player, he's not a prospect. He's a top 4 Dman on a great contract, whether you rate Matheson or not, there is huge value for that.
If the Habs are so thirsty for another 1st round pick, they can pull off a trade like they did with Romanov for the 13th overall.
While Romanov has turned into a nice player, to suggest he had more value 2 years ago vs what Matheson is worth today, is completely ridiculous, all due respect.
