HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That’s why not at any price or term. He is great on faceoffs and good on the PP generally, and bolsters C where the Habs are thin.

The return of Dach, for how long? I hope this is the year of staying healthy but until it happens, a Monahan can also buy time until Beck and Kapanen arrive.

Even if Dach is healthy, he still needs to learn to be much better on the dot. Monahan can teach him and take those important draws.

Monahan coming back is obviously what type of term and hit it is.

 

[Jaynki]

What would be a good package for Kent Johnson?

Former 5th overall in 2021.

Feels like there is something that could be workable there for a big trade.

4th overall + Johnson + Gudbranson (cap dump, negative value)
VS
5th overall + 26 overall + Mailloux/Barron/Struble/Harris ??

 

[Captain Mountain]

What would be a good package for Kent Johnson?

Former 5th overall in 2021.

Feels like there is something that could be workable there for a big trade.

4th overall + Johnson + Gudbranson (cap dump, negative value)
VS
5th overall + 26 overall + Mailloux/Barron/Struble/Harris ??

For frame of reference, there are A LOT of comparables to Kent Johnson as a trade target now and Kirby Dach in 2022. Dach's frame made him more appealing, but I doubt that that trade has any sort of appeal to Columbus.

 

[Jaynki]

For frame of reference, there are A LOT of comparables to Kent Johnson as a trade target now and Kirby Dach in 2022. Dach's frame made him more appealing, but I doubt that that trade has any sort of appeal to Columbus.

Yes, 10-15OV should be the price following jurisprudence.

 

[LaP]

For frame of reference, there are A LOT of comparables to Kent Johnson as a trade target now and Kirby Dach in 2022. Dach's frame made him more appealing, but I doubt that that trade has any sort of appeal to Columbus.

I'd definitely go for Kent Johnson. Will cost less than Zegras and similar upside imo.

What we should do this summer and next is imitate the Panthers. Instead of acquiring 30 years old players we should aim at the Sam Bennett And Sam Reinhart of 2024 and 2025 (i.e. continue to do what we did with Dach and Newhook). They got Bennett for Emil Heinemam and a 2nd round pick when he was 24. They got Sam Reinhart for Devon Levi and a 1st round pick when he was 25. They also got Tkachuk when he was 24. They also signed Carter Verhaeghe when he was 25. This is what we should do. I don't comprehend people who was us to go for guys over 30 or close to it. Outside of the Boborvski near miss they mostly waited to be ready to get experience. And they got lucky with Bobrov it could have been a major issue for them.

 

[417]

I’d make an exception for Monahan who is only 29. He’d make a great middle 6 C option and could spell Dach when needed. Plus, he seemed to love it here and judging by Suzuki’s reaction when he was traded to the Peg, Habs players really appreciated having him on board.

Not at any price or term, but worth a shot.

I think we all loved Monahan year 1 because he was like found money and year 2, he signed for 1 year and we knew he was an asset we were going to recoup even more assets that we had already received the first go around.

I'm not sure if we're all going to feel the same if he's signed for 5M+ for another 3-4 years.

Personally, it's a pass for me.

 

[Runner77]

Even if Dach is healthy, he still needs to learn to be much better on the dot. Monahan can teach him and take those important draws.

Monahan coming back is obviously what type of term and hit it is.

I wonder how many UFAs would want to come here. Monahan is likely one of the very few, is unfazed by anything the city, its fans, the media and the tax system will throw at him.

Looking forward to see where he lands.

 

[LaP]

Even if Dach is healthy, he still needs to learn to be much better on the dot. Monahan can teach him and take those important draws.

Monahan coming back is obviously what type of term and hit it is.

Monahan is too old people should move on. It was fun while it lasted but it's time to move on. Dvorak was 57% at the faceoff dot last year and he'll be there until the tdl. He can teach him. Suzuki and Evans are not bad either. Our center line was

Dvorak 57.8%
Suzuki 52.6%
Evans 52.2%

We don't need Monahan to teach Dach.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yes, 10-15OV should be the price following jurisprudence.

Maybe a little less than that considering Dach had the "big forward" tax. Something between the Dach and Newhook costs makes sense. But it would also need to be something Columbus would, you know, actually want. I don't think picks are what they're looking for, they want to start competing for a playoff spot next season.

 

[LaP]

Maybe a little less than that considering Dach had the "big forward" tax. Something between the Dach and Newhook costs makes sense. But it would also need to be something Columbus would, you know, actually want. I don't think picks are what they're looking for, they want to start competing for a playoff spot next season.

Is there a way we can convince them Dvorak is actually good?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Monahan is too old people should move on. It was fun while it lasted but it's time to move on. Dvorak was 57% at the faceoff dot last year and he'll be there until the tdl. He can teach him. Suzuki and Evans are not bad either. Our center line was

Dvorak 57.8%
Suzuki 52.6%
Evans 52.2%

We don't need Monahan to teach Dach.

If the Habs want Dach to be a centre, we do.

Dvorak sucks and he's been more injured here than playing it seems. Yes, Monahan has a chance to be hurt, too, but that's also why I said see what the term is.

5x5, no thanks. Only want him for 2, 3 years max and not sure he takes that. A team probably offers him a longer deal.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If the Habs want Dach to be a centre, we do.

Dvorak sucks and he's been more injured here than playing it seems. Yes, Monahan has a chance to be hurt, too, but that's also why I said see what the term is.

5x5, no thanks. Only want him for 2, 3 years max and not sure he takes that. A team probably offers him a longer deal.

Not sure he will get offered a long term deal with his injury history and recent playoff performance. Anyone offering a long term deal for more than 3 mil season will likely end up regretting it.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not sure he will get offered a long term deal with his injury history and recent playoff performance. Anyone offering a long term deal for more than 3 mil season will likely end up regretting it.

100%, but we've all s3en walking red flags get a long-term deal and we're all here like

 

[Runner77]

If the Habs want Dach to be a centre, we do.

Dvorak sucks and he's been more injured here than playing it seems. Yes, Monahan has a chance to be hurt, too, but that's also why I said see what the term is.

5x5, no thanks. Only want him for 2, 3 years max and not sure he takes that. A team probably offers him a longer deal.

Monahan proved he could play a whole season last year and is only 29 — where are people getting this “he’s too old” stuff? I’d like to see a 3-year deal max. If someone offers more, good for him, Habs say thanks and move on.

 

[Kwikwi]

BUF Jack Quinn 11th vs MTL Harris/Barron 5th?

 

[Captain Mountain]

If the Habs want Dach to be a centre, we do.

Dvorak sucks and he's been more injured here than playing it seems. Yes, Monahan has a chance to be hurt, too, but that's also why I said see what the term is.

5x5, no thanks. Only want him for 2, 3 years max and not sure he takes that. A team probably offers him a longer deal.

Not for nothing, but the idea that Dvorak sucks and has been more injured compared to Monahan who sucked in Calgary and has been even more injured since 2020 isn't a great selling point.

I'm not even against re-acquiring Monahan, but I think, based on comparables and projections, the contract he can get on the open market is not one Montreal should pay.

I also don't see why Monahan helps Dach become a center. Montreal has guys who win faceoffs and while Monahan's poor defensive play was overstated, he's not exactly a role model for center responsibility. And considering Dach's already lengthy injury history, I'm not sure a guy who has a history of ignoring injuries until they get unmanageable is the best role model.

Like, if the motivation is acquiring a guy to teach Dach to be a center (which I don't think is necessary), I'd rather talk a deal with the Islanders. They have serious cap issues if they want to improve and would probably be happy to move Pageau with a sweetener for Montreal if there's no salary going to them. Pageau is only under contract for two seasons, has serious playoff experience, is responsible defensively, is a face-off specialist, wouldn't take a PP spot from guys like Dach and Newhook, and would take PK time which could free up Suzuki to play more offense-oriented minutes.

 

[Adam Michaels]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1800223394388222313

 

[LaP]

The thread title should be changed to "Let's sign all the 30+ years old UFA on the decline and send all our kids to the AHL". Why in hell are people interested in Toffoli? The guy clearly hit a wall last year versus his 2020-21 season and 2022-23 season. Don't be fooled by the amount of goals he got he struggled at time specially in playoffs. The mid 30ies wall is close it's very apparent for him.

 

[Runner77]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1800223394388222313

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797813603502092334

Well, Frank, we’re not surprised that nothing happened.

Dundumb is driving a hard bargain and likes to think he’s a GM. That’s a poor recipe for setting deadlines by which Necas could be dealt.

 

[Captain Mountain]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797813603502092334

Well, Frank, we’re not surprised that nothing happened.

Dundumb is driving a hard bargain and likes to think he’s a GM. That’s a poor recipe for setting deadlines by which Necas could be dealt.

Necas is also the kind of player whose trade value right now may be far greater than his on-ice value relative to a new contract.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Not for nothing, but the idea that Dvorak sucks and has been more injured compared to Monahan who sucked in Calgary and has been even more injured since 2020 isn't a great selling point.

I'm not even against re-acquiring Monahan, but I think, based on comparables and projections, the contract he can get on the open market is not one Montreal should pay.

I also don't see why Monahan helps Dach become a center. Montreal has guys who win faceoffs and while Monahan's poor defensive play was overstated, he's not exactly a role model for center responsibility. And considering Dach's already lengthy injury history, I'm not sure a guy who has a history of ignoring injuries until they get unmanageable is the best role model.

Like, if the motivation is acquiring a guy to teach Dach to be a center (which I don't think is necessary), I'd rather talk a deal with the Islanders. They have serious cap issues if they want to improve and would probably be happy to move Pageau with a sweetener for Montreal if there's no salary going to them. Pageau is only under contract for two seasons, has serious playoff experience, is responsible defensively, is a face-off specialist, wouldn't take a PP spot from guys like Dach and Newhook, and would take PK time which could free up Suzuki to play more offense-oriented minutes.

I had the same idea when i saw that he was on Seravalli's trade board. The only problem is you'd be helping a direct competitor for a playoffs spot.

But i think something like the following could be interesting for both teams:

To Habs:
Pageau
20th OA
54th or 61st OA

To Islanders:
26th OA

 

[Runner77]

Necas is also the kind of player whose trade value right now may be far greater than his on-ice value relative to a new contract.

Maybe Seravalli should have taken that into consideration however, unlike Friedman, he only said “could”. Seravalli did list 3 likely suitors so he may have heard something but my point remains, an owner handling his own trade negotiations is likely hampering the process.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I had the same idea when i saw that he was on Seravalli's trade board. The only problem is you'd be helping a direct competitor for a playoffs spot.

But i think something like the following could be interesting for both teams:

To Habs:
Pageau
20th OA
54th or 61st OA

To Islanders:
26th OA

Montreal is so bad that literally every team in the East is a playoff competitor. And trading for a Pageau or signing a Monahan isn't going to do much to improve their playoff odds.

 

[Saundies]

Montreal is so bad that literally every team in the East is a playoff competitor. And trading for a Pageau or signing a Monahan isn't going to do much to improve their playoff odds.

Not really.

"So bad" is San Jose this year. "So bad" was the Blackhawks last season. We're a mediocre, young team and that's fine. I expect the team to take a step next year if Dach stays on the ice for 40+ games.

I doubt they make the playoffs but I see them finishing 10-12th last rather than bottom 10.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Montreal is so bad that literally every team in the East is a playoff competitor. And trading for a Pageau or signing a Monahan isn't going to do much to improve their playoff odds.

If Dach can stay healthy and they make a couple of other moves, they might not be that bad.
The Islanders are a bubble team and they're getting older. They are a good candidate to miss the playoffs this year. The Habs will probably have to be better than them to make the playoffs.
I was talking more about the Habs helping the Isles by clearing cap space for them, not the other way around.