HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[McGuires Corndog]

“I also believe that the Anaheim Ducks and the Montreal Canadiens have resumed discussions regarding Trevor Zegras. » - Pierre LeBrun

smoke again

God I hope not.

If you’re trying to get a player like Zegras just draft Catton, who has just as much skill without the character problems.

 

[ReHabs]

That's exactly the thinking that occurred in Houle's head. Harris may be irrelevant to you because we're stacked on the left side of our defence but Harris is not irrelevant to half the teams in the league. His value is noted.

Notwithstanding the simple concepts: "nothing good comes for free" and "you have to give to get"... What is Harris' value to half the teams in the league, I'm curious what you think.

Beck will be an excellent 3rd line centermen - probably one of the best. Contending teams don't throw away prospects like Beck into ridiculous trades like this one.

How much are 3rd line centremen worth?

That's how Houle destroyed this team for years. As for the late first I've been a big advocate of trading up to draft one of the other prime forwards. Packaging those assets the way it was done does not give us a return of equal value.

Acquiring roster upgrades is how Houle destroyed this team?

 

[sampollock]

690 going off now on the zegras rumors again. we see I guess.

 

[26Mats]

I do. New Jersey want's goaltending. That trade doesn't give them that.

And you are welcome to that opinion.

Jersey's D is skilled but soft. Jersey's only option to get goaltendiing is far from using their 10th overall.

We could debate whether it is more likely for a team to use the 10th overall on a unicorn dman and the 26th pick or a goalie. But such a debate wouldn't interest me. Both are rare. But I wouldn't personally call them far fetched. Others are welcome to their opinion or use of semantics.

 

[waitin425]

That's exactly the thinking that occurred in Houle's head. Harris may be irrelevant to you because we're stacked on the left side of our defence but Harris is not irrelevant to half the teams in the league. His value is noted. Beck will be an excellent 3rd line centermen - probably one of the best. Contending teams don't throw away prospects like Beck into ridiculous trades like this one. That's how Houle destroyed this team for years. As for the late first I've been a big advocate of trading up to draft one of the other prime forwards. Packaging those assets the way it was done does not give us a return of equal value.

Necas is by far the best piece in my offer. I agree that it's probably not enough for Carolina, simply what I am comfortable with.

What is the hit rate on 26th overall picks?

Are you sure Beck will be an excellent 3rd line centremen? Do you think he will be better than Dvorak? Dvorak had excellent junior production.

And Harris is redundant for us, but a bottom line defencemen for most teams.

There is risk involved in any trade.....the risk is that one or more of the pieces transcends Necas. I am willing to take the chance that they don't. Beck is a fine prospect....but a more readily available commodity than Necas.

 

[Captain Mountain]

And you are welcome to that opinion.

Jersey's D is skilled but soft. Jersey's only option to get goaltendiing is far from using their 10th overall.

We could debate whether it is more likely for a team to use the 10th overall on a unicorn dman and the 26th pick or a goalie. But such a debate wouldn't interest me. Both are rare. But I wouldn't personally call them far fetched. Others are welcome to their opinion or use of semantics.

If they want to meaningfully upgrade the position (i.e. get one of the 5-10 true starters), its by far teh most palatable option. Its also not really an opinion, its what's being reported and what Fitzgerald was alluding to in the media.

I also wouldn't call Xhekaj a "unicorn dman" yet. He's more hype and potential right now than actually being that unique piece for a team looking to win now.

 

[salbutera]

Necas is by far the best piece in my offer. I agree that it's probably not enough for Carolina, simply what I am comfortable with.

What is the hit rate on 26th overall picks?

Are you sure Beck will be an excellent 3rd line centremen? Do you think he will be better than Dvorak? Dvorak had excellent junior production.

And Harris is redundant for us, but a bottom line defencemen for most teams.

There is risk involved in any trade.....the risk is that one or more of the pieces transcends Necas. I am willing to take the chance that they don't. Beck is a fine prospect....but a more readily available commodity than Necas.

Dvorak’s linemates were Marner & Tkachuk….

Beck wasn’t gifted that caliber linemates IMO

 

[ReHabs]

Can someone help complete or correct this:

NJD wants: goaltending, tough skaters

CAR wants: cap space, system-friendly players

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The hype with Arber Xhekaj from a lot of Habs fans, does not measure up to the player so far or his accomplishments so far.

And this isn't even hate because I like Xhekaj as a player quite a bit.

The only reason why I would consider trading Xhekaj at this stage would be his related injury concerns. But if you can overcome those concerns, Xhekaj is truly one of the faces of this team going forward. He’s the type of player you need when you play in a hostile environment against heavy teams like Boston or Florida. Xhekaj allows our other smaller, skilled players to play bigger.

 

[waitin425]

Dvorak’s linemates were Marner & Tkachuk….

Beck wasn’t gifted that caliber linemates IMO

Yeah, Dvorak had some dynamite linemates.....but I watched a ton of Knights games back then, and Dvorak was equally as impressive and ranked at the time. Anyways....my point stands, regardless.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

God I hope not.

If you’re trying to get a player like Zegras just draft Catton, who has just as much skill without the character problems.

IMO Catton does not have as much skill as Zegras. No idea if he has significant character issues.

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[salbutera]

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[417]

The only reason why I would consider trading Xhekaj at this stage would be his related injury concerns. But if you can overcome those concerns, Xhekaj is truly one of the faces of this team going forward. He’s the type of player you need when you play in a hostile environment against heavy teams like Boston or Florida. Xhekaj allows our other smaller, skilled players play bigger.

It's hard to determine his value in a trade, either from the Montreal Canadiens perspective or from a perspective team.

He's got a lot of intriguing characteristics, he's quite unique as a player...but is he what he is, or is there more there? Perhaps it's due to injuries, but based on his 95 NHL games, he looks exactly like the player I first saw at rookie camp 3 years ago and was impressed.

Have injuries stalled his growth? Hard to say.

There just isn't enough game tape to say definitively because he's been injured and he's really only a player whose come on the map of consciousness in the last 3-4 years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wanna talk about Selma Hayek.

You don't have the assets to acquire bud.

 

[HuGo Sham]

anyone paying attention to articles from journalists of the teams eliminated? wether it's their opinion or quotes from management, every single one of them mentions getting bigger, meaner and having defensemen who are big and mean. You simply don't trade Arber. It only opens up another hole somewhere else in the lineup.
There's a reason he's in every rumour - every team wants a player like this.
Zadorov is a perfect example and he's 6 years older.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Monty and the 26th pick for the 10th?

Might work but not sure. Are the Devils looking for a goalie and how much do they like Monty.

690 going off now on the zegras rumors again. we see I guess.

Lebrun has recently said the Habs and Ducks resumed talks with Zegras. Logical because GM's need to get their "ducks" in a row heading to the draft.

 

[ReHabs]

anyone paying attention to articles from journalists of the teams eliminated? wether it's their opinion or quotes from management, every single one of them mentions getting bigger, meaner and having defensemen who are big and mean. You simply don't trade Arber. It only opens up another hole somewhere else in the lineup.
There's a reason he's in ever rumour - every team wants a player like this.
Zadorov is a perfect example and he's 6 years older.

I preface this by saying I really like Xhekaj and see him as a fan favourite.

Those are teams who've just been eliminated feel they have sufficient talent and skill and need to tinker to add "playoff warriors" to their rosters.

The Habs are a team that have far too little talent and skill and need to move assets to add talented players to the roster. Unfortunately you cannot acquire talented players without giving up something their team wants.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Why are people talking about Wifi and the 10th? Why in the world would NJ do that? That's absurd.

I can't wait until the next step where it becomes gosepl in the fanbase that Xhekaj "could have been traded for Necas or a 10th overall pick".

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On the broader topic, Necas is still really intriguing to me, I just find it so hard to figure out what the deal would look like. If they want roster players Matheson is the best fit but I just dunno if the FO would be willing to trade away one of the two vets on the roster when Savard is likely gone at the deadline too. I just don't think that WPG 1st + Harris + some other pieces is going to get it done, but I'd love to add him and I would pay a fairly high price to avoid the development uncertainty and get a finished product.

 

[417]

I preface this by saying I really like Xhekaj and see him as a fan favourite.

Those are teams who've just been eliminated feel they have sufficient talent and skill and need to tinker to add "playoff warriors" to their rosters.

The Habs are a team that have far too little talent and skill and need to move assets to add talented players to the roster. Unfortunately you cannot acquire talented players without giving up something their team wants.

Which means something you'd rather not give.

You gotta pay to play!

 

[26Mats]

If they want to meaningfully upgrade the position (i.e. get one of the 5-10 true starters), its by far teh most palatable option. Its also not really an opinion, its what's being reported and what Fitzgerald was alluding to in the media.

I also wouldn't call Xhekaj a "unicorn dman" yet. He's more hype and potential right now than actually being that unique piece for a team looking to win now.

Yes, we don't know what Xhekaj will become. Just like any 10th overall pick at this point is hype and potential.

 

[Habs Halifax]

anyone paying attention to articles from journalists of the teams eliminated? wether it's their opinion or quotes from management, every single one of them mentions getting bigger, meaner and having defensemen who are big and mean. You simply don't trade Arber. It only opens up another hole somewhere else in the lineup.
There's a reason he's in ever rumour - every team wants a player like this.
Zadorov is a perfect example and he's 6 years older.

There is no doubt about it. Physicality and tight checking in the playoffs is a huge factor. Lots of fans thought it was all Price in our cup run but that top 4D we rolled were big factors too. Danault as well.
Very curious to see how the offensive Oilers do against the physical Panthers.

 

[ReHabs]

Which means something you'd rather not give.

You gotta pay to play!

Given this team needs more firepower... and Necas actually has size... it seems pretty clear to me how it should go.

Now imagine we somehow swing Necas *and* the 10OA pick. And all we give up are futures and some of our many dmen? Oh boy.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I preface this by saying I really like Xhekaj and see him as a fan favourite.

Those are teams who've just been eliminated feel they have sufficient talent and skill and need to tinker to add "playoff warriors" to their rosters.

The Habs are a team that have far too little talent and skill and need to move assets to add talented players to the roster. Unfortunately you cannot acquire talented players without giving up something their team wants.

I guess I see him as more than a 'playoff warrior'. I see him with a unique skillset and weapon of a shot. I would direct teams to other assets available and pay close attention to the fact that since teams want him so badly, then perhaps maybe he should be kept.

 

[Skip Bayless]

anyone paying attention to articles from journalists of the teams eliminated? wether it's their opinion or quotes from management, every single one of them mentions getting bigger, meaner and having defensemen who are big and mean. You simply don't trade Arber. It only opens up another hole somewhere else in the lineup.
There's a reason he's in ever rumour - every team wants a player like this.
Zadorov is a perfect example and he's 6 years older.

Players like Arber are harder to find than skilled players. Not to diminish the value of skill because god knows how much we need that, but i’d rather trade Xhekaj in a package that involves a star/superstar coming to us.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Players like Arber are harder to find than skilled players. Not to diminish the value of skill because god knows how much we beed that, but i’d rather trade Xhekaj in a package that involves a star/superstar coming to us.

Yup. All is missing in his game is maturity and experience and he is gaining that slowly. Another full season with a consistent partner will help. Very rare type to have.