HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Captain Mountain]

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Against Harris ?

I'd be pretty disappointed. I'd prefer a mid or even late round pick TBH. Harris is better offensively, defensively and in transition

 

[Sorinth]

I'm not so sure Savard's value (or any other player's) will be higher in the summer. GM's get stupid at trade deadline. In the summer there will be more options for teams with other teams trying to shed salary and free agency starting in July. Basically, more supply in the summer could drive prices down.

Personally I find that to be a bit of a myth, fans assume there will be more supply because a bunch of guys are UFAs to be, but in reality more often then not those top UFAs get signed before they hit FA and teams are left with very little actual supply in July. Teams also get stupid as an overaction to a playoff loss so it cuts both ways.

 

[vokiel]

Lets not make it complicated: Harris for a 2025 2nd rounder. Thank you case closed.

 

[Adam Michaels]

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Against Harris ?

Apparently they'd like to move him for a controllable scorer (whatever that means).



For what it's worth, I'd take a flyer on Wahlstrom. Wouldn't be opposed to acquiring him.

 

[Egresch]

I wouldn't pay much to get rid of him right now but I would give him away for free or for virtually nothing with zero hesitation. I won't be actively mad about it if they don't move him this summer because the salary is still manageable and we're not trying to compete right now (and it might just not be possible to move him without a big sweetener), but I just don't think the expected value makes sense on holding him any longer than necessary.

His value likely can't get any lower than it is today, but there's an opportunity cost to keeping such a one-dimensional player in your lineup and he just makes it so incredibly difficult to make 4 cohesive lines when you have to just accept that whatever line Anderson is on will be a defensive black hole that can't cycle whatsoever.

Totally agree, it is called Lost Opportunity Cost. There might be a team who will take Anderson for free, but if we reject it and wait we will lose many opportunities:
- Free the roster spot for prospect/player who better suits your system
- Free up 3y x 5,5M cap hit
- Invest that free salary and sign UFA who will improve your team
- You will give Anderson "change of scenery" opportunity which increases your team morale and credit among league players
I would trade him for 7th rd pick right now.

 

[LaP]

For what it's worth, I'd take a flyer on Wahlstrom. Wouldn't be opposed to acquiring him.

For Gallagher yes. I mean he fits the "controllable scorer" description

Totally agree, it is called Lost Opportunity Cost. There might be a team who will take Anderson for free, but if we reject it and wait we will lose many opportunities:
- Free the roster spot for prospect/player who better suits your system
- Free up 3y x 5,5M cap hit
- Invest that free salary and sign UFA who will improve your team
- You will give Anderson "change of scenery" opportunity which increases your team morale and credit among league players
I would trade him for 7th rd pick right now.

All logical assessments. Hard to disagree with the conclusion.

 

[Adam Michaels]

For Gallagher yes. I mean he fits the "controllable scorer" description

He can also spend his time apologizing to Pelech.

 

[Andrei79]

I wouldn't pay much to get rid of him right now but I would give him away for free or for virtually nothing with zero hesitation. I won't be actively mad about it if they don't move him this summer because the salary is still manageable and we're not trying to compete right now (and it might just not be possible to move him without a big sweetener), but I just don't think the expected value makes sense on holding him any longer than necessary.

His value likely can't get any lower than it is today, but there's an opportunity cost to keeping such a one-dimensional player in your lineup and he just makes it so incredibly difficult to make 4 cohesive lines when you have to just accept that whatever line Anderson is on will be a defensive black hole that can't cycle whatsoever.

This is well said and my thoughts as well. He's a poor defensive player and his contract will be an issue when the team won't want to have problematic contracts. The Golden Knights gave away Pacioretty for similar reasons and it was a very good move for them.

 

[LaP]

He can also spend his time apologizing to Pelech.

That's a very good point. One more thing in favor of that trade.

 

[Andrei79]

Good.

I mean, why would a team do everything while it's core is in its prime when you could one day develop a good second liner.

 

[HuGort]

Actually, Petry's best years with Montreal came when Weber was out with an injury. His final year in Montreal was bad because Ducharme sucked the life out of the players and the team.

But as soon as MSL was brought in, Petry picked his game up.

He played a lot of good hockey with Weber. Once he left Petry disappeared. Few games he played good without Weber, I seen Brian Savage catch lightning in a bottle also. But long term it never held.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I was a huge Wahlstrom fan during his draft and I think Harris is very overrated, but man Harris is outscoring him as a dman who doesn't do offense.

Wahlstrom's extremely soft too. Don't want him.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

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Against Harris ?

Wahlstrom isn't good. Not saying Harris is a beast.

Habs would also need to send a crap forward, or 3.

 

[morhilane]

Apparently they'd like to move him for a controllable scorer (whatever that means).
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That means, the player either has terms or is RFA.

 

[Sorinth]

Totally agree, it is called Lost Opportunity Cost. There might be a team who will take Anderson for free, but if we reject it and wait we will lose many opportunities:
- Free the roster spot for prospect/player who better suits your system
- Free up 3y x 5,5M cap hit
- Invest that free salary and sign UFA who will improve your team
- You will give Anderson "change of scenery" opportunity which increases your team morale and credit among league players
I would trade him for 7th rd pick right now.

But it's unlikely any team would take him for free. I'm sure there's some interest, but that interest includes some combination of sending a bad contract back and/or retention. It's likely similar to Tanev case, there was allegedly a 1st on the table but that required Calgary to take back a bad contract, so they opted for the 2nd and not having dead cap space.

 

[HuGort]

Apparently they'd like to move him for a controllable scorer (whatever that means).



For what it's worth, I'd take a flyer on Wahlstrom. Wouldn't be opposed to acquiring him.

Wahlstrom had good run with USA team but did nothing in college, AHL, NHL. I would pass

 

[Captain Mountain]

Totally agree, it is called Lost Opportunity Cost. There might be a team who will take Anderson for free, but if we reject it and wait we will lose many opportunities:
- Free the roster spot for prospect/player who better suits your system
- Free up 3y x 5,5M cap hit
- Invest that free salary and sign UFA who will improve your team
- You will give Anderson "change of scenery" opportunity which increases your team morale and credit among league players
I would trade him for 7th rd pick right now.

-One of the reasons Montreal wasn't keen to move Anderson is that, theoretically, he does suit the system. Fast winger with size and a decent shot isn't someone you find every day. That's why guys like him get overpaid and overrated in the first place.
-How much would having 25 mil in room instead of 20 mil really affect Montreal?
-By all accounts, Montreal's team morale isn't an issue and players seem more bummed about trading away vets than giving guys a "change of scenery". And Hughes has already done a tone to credit the org among the league.

I'm not against just trading Anderson for nothing, but a lot of the discourse around him isn't even that he's blocking someone (he's not right now, Montreal's forwards outside of Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Newhook and Armia have been replacement-level/AHL caliber), been bad/disappointing, or that it may be best for him. Its because he's a whipping boy and guys always want to fire the whipping boy into the sun. Personally, I want the fanatical ire of part of the fanbase on guys like Anderson, Gallagher and Armia instead of guys like Suzuki, Caufield and Slafkovsky.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Totally agree, it is called Lost Opportunity Cost. There might be a team who will take Anderson for free, but if we reject it and wait we will lose many opportunities:
- Free the roster spot for prospect/player who better suits your system
- Free up 3y x 5,5M cap hit
- Invest that free salary and sign UFA who will improve your team
- You will give Anderson "change of scenery" opportunity which increases your team morale and credit among league players
I would trade him for 7th rd pick right now.

But most importantly and the reason it won't happen is they are not giving up a retention spot for 3 years for very little return

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Petry fell way off because Weber left. He wasn't same player without Weber. Weber fell off sharp because they played him 17 games on broken ankle and it destroyed ligaments in his leg.

Petry played some of the best hockey of his career when Weber was out.
Savard has had several injuries the last few seasons, and his body too could reach a level that doesn't let him play well anymore. His skating is only going to get worse too.

 

[Adam Michaels]

He played a lot of good hockey with Weber. Once he left Petry disappeared. Few games he played good without Weber, I seen Brian Savage catch lightning in a bottle also. But long term it never held.

He did play good hockey with Weber. But you are misremembering how Petry was when Weber was out with an injury.

In 2017-18, they shut Weber down and his last game was December 16. He didn't come back before the 2018-19 season on November 27.

Petry played 73 games without Weber and as Habs' 1RD, that is almost a full season of games without Weber. Petry put up 48 pts (11G, 37A) in 73 GP. He stepped up during Weber's absence.

 

[McGees]

Petry fell way off because Weber left. He wasn't same player without Weber. Weber fell off sharp because they played him 17 games on broken ankle and it destroyed ligaments in his leg.

Petry played his best hockey when Weber was injured and he took top line duty. His play fell off when his wife wanted out of QC.

 

[HuGort]

Petry played some of the best hockey of his career when Weber was out.
Savard has had several injuries the last few seasons, and his body too could reach a level that doesn't let him play well anymore. His skating is only going to get worse too.

I've ready destroyed this view

 

[le_sean]

I’m definitely taking a flyer on Wahlstrom. Don’t underestimate the Islanders ability to completely stifle offensive creativity. He tore his ACL last year and is coming back from that. I think he’d be a decent reclamation project.

 

[Egresch]

-One of the reasons Montreal wasn't keen to move Anderson is that, theoretically, he does suit the system. Fast winger with size and a decent shot isn't someone you find every day. That's why guys like him get overpaid and overrated in the first place.
-How much would having 25 mil in room instead of 20 mil really affect Montreal?
-By all accounts, Montreal's team morale isn't an issue and players seem more bummed about trading away vets than giving guys a "change of scenery". And Hughes has already done a tone to credit the org among the league.

I'm not against just trading Anderson for nothing, but a lot of the discourse around him isn't even that he's blocking someone (he's not right now, Montreal's forwards outside of Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Newhook and Armia have been replacement-level/AHL caliber), been bad/disappointing, or that it may be best for him. Its because he's a whipping boy and guys always want to fire the whipping boy into the sun. Personally, I want the fanatical ire of part of the fanbase on guys like Anderson, Gallagher and Armia instead of guys like Suzuki, Caufield and Slafkovsky.

He does not suit the system. MSL tried everything and there was not a single line that would work with him.
20M is available this offseason, but we alk about offloading 3 years. Next year, SLaf and Guhle can sign big contracts.
You can give that ice time and PP2 spot to Roy, RHP, new summer acquisition.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Savard to the Islanders would be much better than the leafs. That first will be much better.