HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[vokiel]

I'm not so sure Savard's value (or any other player's) will be higher in the summer. GM's get stupid at trade deadline. In the summer there will be more options for teams with other teams trying to shed salary and free agency starting in July. Basically, more supply in the summer could drive prices down.

They'll get stupider next TDL when he's an impending UFA?

 

[sampollock]

Really hope Guentzel goes to the Oilers. I just want to see what that team looks like offensively with him as a big add. Get him and a defenceman to bump out their weak link Ceci, and McDavid easily has his best team ever.

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If Habs broker a deal, better more then just a 3rd pick

 

[The Great Weal]

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If Habs broker a deal, better more then just a 3rd pick

Don't see why they would get more, they would be retaining 1.5 million in this case.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

lots of waiver activity today: MIN (2x), PIT, VAN, DAL, EDM

teams getting ready to make their big moves!!

 

[sampollock]

Don't see why they would get more, they would be retaining 1.5 million in this case.

Then what's the point

 

[John B]

They'll get stupider next TDL when he's an impending UFA?

I don't know. Depends how he plays during the season and the circumstances surrounding the Habs season at that time (fighting for a playoff spot or not? Sellers or Buyers?). You rarely see teams overpay for players in the offseason compared to TDL. GM's are on the hot seat to win at TDL. They have more time to plan and evaluate in the offseason. Also, the players aren't playing at the time, so there are no roster spots to fill due to injuries (unless there is a player getting planned offseason surgery or something like that, but teams can prepare for that). Basically there's no urgency in the offseason to do anything like there is in the stretch run before and after the TDL.

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't see Hanifin to Bolts happening, they got like nothing to offer. Calgary won't give a shit where Hanifin wants to play, he's already handcuffing them by refusing to extend with most of these teams. He'd be a good fit for Detroit and Vegas.

Then what's the point

If they can't use the retention slot on anyone else, why not just take the 3rd?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Especially when both teams are firmly in the playoffs. Maybe they thought he’d be a fit when in reality they need a top line winger more than another centre. I love the fit for both teams (Guentzel to VAN and Lindholm to BOS)

I agree that Guentzel is probably what they need more of. A scoring winger who also plays that playoff type of hockey.

It's also Rutherford in Vancouver, and he has proven he isn't afraid to make bold moves.

Actually a Habs deadline trade was kind of similar. The Isles had traded for Vanek like 15 games into the season but went nowhere and then proceeded to trade him to Montreal. Not the same team circumstances, but a high profile player nonetheless.

You're right about Vanek.

 

[CaptainKirk]

Then what's the point

Last resort if we cant ship anyone out I guess.

 

[sampollock]

Vegas will make a big deal.
Hiding stone...till playoffs

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[The Great Weal]

I'm not sure what the Blues asking price is, but if I'm a playoff team looking to add a forward, Buchnevich is at the top of my list.

 

[HuGort]

That is far from guaranteed. Savard is at the age where he could have a major decline anytime soon. We saw both Petry and Weber go from looking awesome to bad at around the same age.

Petry fell way off because Weber left. He wasn't same player without Weber. Weber fell off sharp because they played him 17 games on broken ankle and it destroyed ligaments in his leg.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Pearson out if possible, one or two warm bodies in, and maybe another roster player up to Savard gets traded. Won't be terribly exciting for Habs fans, but at least there's always the cavalcade of errors known as Leafs' trade deadline to watch.

 

[HuGort]

A few days ago, the excellent Frank Seravalli also revealed some very intriguing information concerning a transaction in progress involving Guentzel and the Canadians

According to Seravalli, CH would be in pole position to act as third party in the transaction, keeping in mind that the club does not wish to use its last contract retention option this season for Jake Allen .

Hopefully get a 2nd

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Has that ever happened before?

Either way, Boston would be mighty dangerous if they add Lindholm. I think that’s a great spot for him to find his gagame.

In this scenario, maybe not, but in the 90s teams would acquire a player, use him for a few weeks and then package him and move on.

The closest that might not even be close was Philly acquiring the rights to Hamhuis to sign him, but then realizing they couldn't and flipped his rights to Pittsburgh who couldn't sign him

 

[Adam Michaels]

Petry fell way off because Weber left. He wasn't same player without Weber. Weber fell off sharp because they played him 17 games on broken ankle and it destroyed ligaments in his leg.

Actually, Petry's best years with Montreal came when Weber was out with an injury. His final year in Montreal was bad because Ducharme sucked the life out of the players and the team.

But as soon as MSL was brought in, Petry picked his game up.

 

[vokiel]

I don't know. Depends how he plays during the season and the circumstances surrounding the Habs season at that time (fighting for a playoff spot or not? Sellers or Buyers?). You rarely see teams overpay for players in the offseason compared to TDL. GM's are on the hot seat to win at TDL. They have more time to plan and evaluate in the offseason. Also, the players aren't playing at the time, so there are no roster spots to fill due to injuries (unless there is a player getting planned offseason surgery or something like that, but teams can prepare for that). Basically there's no urgency in the offseason to do anything like there is in the stretch run before and after the TDL.

Doubtful Habs suddenly turn into buyers next season. We'll have the same amount of injuries, we'll play the same players, and will most likely be slightly better defensively. I like to be optimistic about Savard and Matheson's value then. I'm more pessimistic with players that haven't cracked the line up even though they had the opportunity to do so: Barron, Heineman, Ylonen.

If we trade Savard it's harder to be optimistic with our defense as any progression teamwork-wise would get atrophied, and we'd need to pray that Reinbacher or Mailloux can break a sweat at 20-22 minutes per NHL game. It's not obvious, and can hurt much more. Matheson's value without Savard can take a serious hit.

In the end the real value we need to foster is Reinbacher, Mailloux and Hutson. It doesn't really matter if we get a late 1st for Savard or not imho.

 

[Habricot]

Sa

Savard is not a bird in the hands. He will be 34 next season. He is on borrowed time. He's a dying bird in the hands and between a dying bird and 15% of a prime healthy bird i'll play the odds.

Vard helps yong players on this team. Look at Xhekaj since he is playing with him.

 

[Vachon23]

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Against Harris ?

 

[Habricot]

Doubtful Habs suddenly turn into buyers next season. We'll have the same amount of injuries, we'll play the same players, and will most likely be slightly better defensively. I like to be optimistic about Savard and Matheson's value then. I'm more pessimistic with players that haven't cracked the line up even though they had the opportunity to do so: Barron, Heineman, Ylonen.

If we trade Savard it's harder to be optimistic with our defense as any progression teamwork-wise would get atrophied, and we'd need to pray that Reinbacher or Mailloux can break a sweat at 20-22 minutes per NHL game. It's not obvious, and can hurt much more. Matheson's value without Savard can take a serious hit.

In the end the real value we need to foster is Reinbacher, Mailloux and Hutson. It doesn't really matter if we get a late 1st for Savard or not imho.

Only Mailloux will be ready..and even that is not sure. A full year in the AHL will be needed for both Hudson and Reinbacher.

 

[vokiel]

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Against Harris ?

I would pull the trigger.

Not sure isles would though, they are loaded on LD. Would need to find a way to hock them Armia..

 

[LaP]

Sa

Vard helps yong players on this team. Look at Xhekaj since he is playing with him.

Most of those young players will be on their 3rd or 4th pro season next year. If they still need help to play a depth role then i'd say they are probably not as good as we think they are. Only place they still need help is on the first pairing and we have Matheson for that. I don't see any problem with having two of 23 years old Barron, 23 ½ years old Xhekaj, 23 years old Struble and 24 years old Harris on the 2nd pairing. People act like if those guys would be 20-21. Don't see the issue personally. If they can't cut it we have to know at one point before Mailloux, Hutson and Reinbacher are ready. Once those guys are ready in 2-3 years it will be too late to see what we have in the other guys. I'd rather test them thoroughly before it happens.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Leafs are stuck, which is why I asked how much trouble is Shanahan in with ownership? Is it a long playoff run or you’re out situation?

If it is, they have to make moves in the now, and forget “future”

When your core is Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Reilly, your future is today.

 

[The Great Weal]

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Against Harris ?

I was a huge Wahlstrom fan during his draft and I think Harris is very overrated, but man Harris is outscoring him as a dman who doesn't do offense.