HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Leon Lucius Black]

I agree. You can't base the decision on the fact he was a waiver pick up. I over simplified my thinking and kinda just expressed view that this would good asset management given that he cost nothing to start with.

For me Kova is not part of the big plan. While he's useful this year, next year he may lose his spot to Barron that wont be able to go back to the AHL. So if you keep Guhle and savard, Kova is the odd man out. You will likely get offerd more for him at the TDL then at the draft

Now, if Barron or Savard are to be traded, then yeah, that change the calculus on Kava, you'll need him for the 3rd pair.

Kovacevic's contract is dirt cheap and teams are often looking for help at the deadline with low cap hits to fit under the cap. Add to that the fact he's young, has size and RHD are coming off the board quickly. I am sure some desperate team will overpay for him at the deadline.

 

[26Mats]

He won’t hurt you I guess… He just has nothing that stands out and scores never. Is there really a contending team with no-one more exciting on their 4th line and no specific need? 40 pts seems like a stretch, that means he plays over offensive players (ewwww) and 40-60 pts are his best junior/college/ahl years.

He's good at everything, just not great offensively. HIs major flaw is lack of finish.

Evans is also good on draws, and one of the best in the league on penalty kill faceoff percentage.

Lehkonen's high for points with us was 31. Then he put up 60 in his first 80 games in Colorado. Anyways, Evans would be more for a bottom six role. But in the playoffs, teams want to be able to roll 4 solid lines.

 

[Habby4Life]

I completely disagree with your take on Savard and his worth to the habs. How he pairs with our young D is worth more than a 2nd for sure. Savard fits perfect right now.

You want Barron mentoring Hutson mentoring Xhekaj and hope for progression next year? lol

UFA can easily be signed to bring in a presence. The whole mentoring this is so overrated.

 

[Habby4Life]

I think that if a team is offering a 2nd for Kava, KH does the deal. Seems like a pretty good value for a waiver pickup

No one will offer a 2nd for Kava and if they did they should be tested.

 

[sampollock]

The team doesn't need anymore picks unless they are being used to bring in nhl ready talent.

Look at the Buffalos, Anaheims, Arizonas, Ottawa. Just perpetual pick collections, never any movement in the standings.

I'd be okay in trading Savard for picks if the intention is to flip those/there is an opportunity to flip those for nhl talent in the immediate future.

If it's just to collect late picks to draft prospects with low star conversion odds, I'd rather they keep Davey to help guide the youth on D.

YUP

no more picks.. #1 is ok I guess
but this team needs talent... scoring prospects are a must

 

[JeffreyLFC]

My point being can’t think of last Cup winner who didn’t have that #1 Dman. Seems to have become the most important position on a team

That's why I do not get or understand how people see this year only from a forward perspective. Even us with all the 'quality' defenseman in the pipeline I don't see a bonafide franchise defenseman in the bunch. It kinds of get me a bit of 2012 vibes where all the talks were about the forwards but in the end, it was very defenseman heavy.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

No one will offer a 2nd for Kava and if they did they should be tested.

I think you over estimate draft pick value.

At this time, all playoff contenders are willing to trade any of their draft pick to make them win the cup. 2nd round pick historically are not that great at producing NHL talent (maybe around 10%) and most of them will take many years to establish themselves. (5 or 6 years)

A guy like Kovacevic is 1. Dirt cheap, 2. Has NHL experience, 3. Has size and 4. he is signed for another year. There are not much risk at all and the chance of getting a similar level of player with a 2nd round pick is very low.

Final take, this draft depth stink after the first 20 names. If I were a contending team, I would have no issue trading away a low 2nd or 3rd round pick even for average assets. (Bottom pairing defenseman or forwards)

 

[Team_Spirit]

Nucks fans are not happy with Lindholm.

 

[Milhouse40]

UFA can easily be signed to bring in a presence. The whole mentoring this is so overrated.

Nothing is more overrated than draft pick on this board......

 

[Scotianhab]

If I was Edm I would be looking at a Savard/Evans package. I think both would
help them a lot.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If I was Edm I would be looking at a Savard/Evans package. I think both would
help them a lot.

They have f*** all for cap room, Habs only have 1 retention spot, so you'd be looking at Campbell being involved and that's a lot of assets to move him, let alone thr assets to acquire Savard.

 

[Habby4Life]

I think you over estimate draft pick value.

At this time, all playoff contenders are willing to trade any of their draft pick to make them win the cup. 2nd round pick historically are not that great at producing NHL talent (maybe around 10%) and most of them will take many years to establish themselves. (5 or 6 years)

A guy like Kovacevic is 1. Dirt cheap, 2. Has NHL experience, 3. Has size and 4. he is signed for another year. There are not much risk at all and the chance of getting a similar level of player with a 2nd round pick is very low.

Final take, this draft depth stink after the first 20 names. If I were a contending team, I would have no issue trading away a low 2nd or 3rd round pick even for average assets. (Bottom pairing defenseman or forwards)

Kova is a bit player, marginal NHLer. 2nd for him is ludicrous.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Kova is a bit player, marginal NHLer. 2nd for him is ludicrous.

People thought we'd get a mid-round pick for Kulak and we got a second for him, GMs get desperate around the deadline and don't care about giving up a 50th-60th pick if it helps their team.

Kulak, Hamonic, Dermott, Braun, Kulikov, Schenn are all bottom pairing/depth D who were traded for 2nd or 3rd round picks the last 2 deadlines.

I'd guess Kovacevic is probably closer to a 3rd rounder, however given his contract is dirt cheap, he's young, has good size and he's signed another year I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave a second for him.

 

[Egresch]

In the Dach trade, Romaniv was viewed as high quality. We got a 13th pick for him. Is there anybody you would like to trade that we could get a 13th overall pick for?

It was Romanov + 4th. We have Struble, Mailloux, Barron, WPG or CGY 1sts. Add 3rd or 2nd and you can move to that level.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Nothing is more overrated than draft pick on this board......

A perfect example would be people ripping BriseBois for giving up late firsts for guys like Goodrow, Coleman and Savard. Those picks have turned into guys like Ozzy Wiesblatt, Shakir Mukhamadullin and Nolan Allan while the Lightning went on to win 2 cups.

He also got ripped for the Hagel trade and they haven't won a cup since, but I am sure BriseBois would gladly trade 2 later firsts for a 23 year old who has since turned into close to a PPG player.

 

[Runner77]

Totatally agree with Hartley

…He believes that the Canadian still needs him.

That mythical, unnamed Canadian strikes again.

Thank-you Google Translate!

 

[Guy Larose]

Nucks fans are not happy with Lindholm.

But we were told that he was way better than Monahan...this can't be.

 

[teamfirst]

Nothing is more overrated than draft pick on this board......

Yup, and MSL comes in second place

 

[Steve Shutt]

Curious to see if Edmundson get's traded

 

[26Mats]

It was Romanov + 4th. We have Struble, Mailloux, Barron, WPG or CGY 1sts. Add 3rd or 2nd and you can move to that level.

CGY 1st could be at that level on its own.

Mailloux + could get you there. But do we want to give up Mailloux? For me he's the type of player we'd want to get at 13th overall. But yeah, for the right forward he's the type of dman you look at dealing.

I don't think anyone's trading us the 13th overall pick for Barron, WPG 1st, even if you add to it.

 

[Runner77]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a mainstream insider saying that the Oilers offered up a 1st rounder for a rental:

 

[McGees]

Totatally agree with Hartley

Hartley says he would not proceed with the transaction, emphasizing Savard's importance as a mentor to the team's younger players like Kaiden Guhle and Arber Xhekaj . He believes that the Canadian still needs him.

However, he recognizes that if Hughes could get a young player of the quality of a future Nick Suzuki in return, it would be a game-changer. But for a simple draft pick, Hartley is skeptical because of the unpredictability associated with these selections.

He also points out that for a team like the Lightning, which is looking to strengthen its defense and which is interested in Savard, it would take a lot of trickery to convince him to join their ranks.

meh - sign a vet in offseason.
If a decent return is there, take it.
He is getting old and slow and may not be worth much next year.

 

[McGees]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a mainstream insider saying that the Oilers offered up a 1st rounder for a rental:

That's a horrible return. You need to give a 1st just for someone to take Ceci.

 

[Runner77]

LeBrun on BPM now, continuing to say how Hughes is getting calls on Savard but is not motivated to move him. Says the team is still sensing the impact of losing a valued vet like Monahan and Hughes feels it would be the same if Savard were traded.

Hughes indicating that he would only be discussing very serious offers.

On Allen, LeBrun says there are more teams who have said that they’d trade for Allen in the summer than there are who would want him prior to the deadline. However, doesn’t mean Allen won’t be moved now.

LeBrun says that the Devils made another pitch for Markstrom a few days ago where they were no longer insisting for the Flames to retain on him.

Adds that there are more forwards available than there are interested buyers so teams looking for forwards are likely to wait for prices to come down.

 

[LaP]

Ottawa's been trading picks for NHL ready talent for a couple of years now and its blown up in their face hilariously. That's why they haven't picked in the 1st round in the last two drafts. The last 1st round pick they used that doesn't suck (Boucher) was in 2020 (Stutzle and Sanderson).

Its about finding the right equilibrium, which I think is what the front office is trying to do. They've acquired 1sts and prospects, but they've also used those picks in trades to get players who are in the NHL. We'll start to see more of their plan this offseason (and even more the next) once they actually have cap space to work with.

The equilibrium is easy to find. No reason to trade picks for vets unless you are aiming for a cup. I'm sure in Ottawa's GM mind he was aiming for a cup but reality can be a bitch. Trading picks to make da playoffs and be in no man's land is a pretty bad strategy. If your kids can't make the playoffs on their own then they are likely no good enough / not ready and you have to wait and draft more. Trading picks for kids yeah.