HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Sorinth]

If a 2nd is on the table, you take it...in a vacuum, sure that late 2nd doesn't look super great, however, it has a ton of value in terms of trades. That 2nd rounder would give us an additional 2nd rounder (we already have the Avs 2nd) on top of our 2 first rounders. That's 4 picks in the 2 rounds. If there's a player you like in the draft, you can use that draft currency and move up. Or you can pull another dach-like trade. HuGo has already hinted at the fact that they don't plan on using all of their draft picks to select players.

In terms of mentoring, there's lots of players that can do that. The players understand that this is a business and if anything, it shows that the player in question still has value and you're giving them a chance at a cup.

We already have more then enough draft currency to make any sort of deal that presents itself. We have 4 first round picks and 3 second round picks over the next two drafts, we have so much draft currency we are allegedly already looking to not draft with all, there's no need for even more.

Yes lots of players can be good mentors but unless they are already here then it's irrelevant because trading Savard now still means throwing a hurdle in front of Xhekaj by derailing his current run of very good play. And sure he can probably overcome that hurdle, especially if we then go out an overpay for a veteran D in the UFA market over the summer but it's still bad asset management to disrupt a players development just as they are starting to take that next step forward. And doing it for a late 2nd is non-sensical even if in a vacuum it's a fair value.

 

[tazsub3]

Well a performeNce vs the mighty panthers last night is good before the deadline . I see if not Savard then kovacevic to be traded .
And he will be traded for a second like kulak was .

 

[Naslundforever]

It's going to interesting to see what we can get for our deep prospect pool.

I mean, how much value do Struble, Harris, Barron, Trudeau and Engstrom, Bogdan, and Kovacevic have?

We may have to either let the cream rise to the top and trade those that don't for small returns, or trade one the big guns (Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Matheson) if we want to land a good forward piece).

If you count, that's 13 dmen. We can't keep them all. Will be interesting to see who stays, who goes, and what we get for them.

I’d force myself to keep 1 ld vet and 1 rd vet (Matheson, Savard) and let the rest of the org defensemen fight out for 4 regular spots + replacements

I imagine Guhle and Xjekaj on the left until Hutson matures in the Ahl… Logjam is at lhd. Engstrom too…

RHD seems like an open invitation with Mailloux and Reinbacher having almost every AHL and NHL spot with their names on it for as long as they need…

If habs have anything to dangle it’s the promise of Hutson, the swag of Xjekaj or our boy Guhle Heartbreaking but biggest potential return imo.

 

[26Mats]

I’d force myself to keep 1 ld vet and 1 rd vet (Matheson, Savard) and let the rest of the org defensemen fight out for 4 regular spots + replacements

I imagine Guhle and Xjekaj on the left until Hutson matures in the Ahl… Logjam is at lhd. Engstrom too…

RHD seems like an open invitation with Mailloux and Reinbacher having almost every AHL and NHL spot with their names on it for as long as they need…

If habs have anything to dangle it’s the promise of Hutson, the swag of Xjekaj or our boy Guhle Heartbreaking but biggest potential return imo.

Yeah and if Guhle establishes himself at RD, that both solidifies the right side (Guhle, Reinbacher, Mailloux) and creates an extra spot for a left shot D. Matheson, Hutson, Xhekaj, Engstrom, and Struble being the top candidates for the 3 spots.

 

[Naslundforever]

Yeah and if Guhle establishes himself at RD, that both solidifies the right side (Guhle, Reinbacher, Mailloux) and creates an extra spot for a left shot D. Matheson, Hutson, Xhekaj, Engstrom, and Struble being the top candidates for the 3 spots.

Guhle at RHD forever would open possibilities for sure. Just let all the kids grow in the org until Savard / Matheson are expandable even makes sense.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Frankie Corrado on the team 1200 was pumping the tires of Savard.


Ottawa potentially going the route that Montreal goes and acquire a young player a team doesn't want to pay, or doesn't have the space for.

Going to listen to the 32 thoughts podcast now

 

[Habs Icing]

I have a gut feeling that Jake evans will be traded for a surprising decent return .
He is cheap , young and good penalty killer and I feel they been showcasing him quite a bit lately and talking him up.
This management unlike the previous fools , know how to increase the value of their assets

I know people on this forum don't value Evans but I would not trade him. He is very much underrated. He is a perfect 4th line center and an excellent 3rd liner. Defensively he is top notch and if he played with offensive wingers his stats would look a lot better but he is always playing with offensively stunted players. I know many would argue what I'm about to say but it would have to be a very very big package coming back.

But it's all a moot point. Right now the Habs are short on centers.

 

[Egresch]

They sacrificed a long term asset. Is it something Kent Hughes demonstrated he can do yet?

We're not out of any rebuilds, until he does it numerous times.

Dach and Newhook trades are good examples of moving quantity for quality. I think we make another move this offseason and we will call it "Hughes hattrick".

 

[Habs Icing]

I was offered a Porsche but prefer my Kia.

But the Porsche has no insides. It's just the body and that body spent 20 winters in Quebec. Imagine the rust.

 

[26Mats]

I know people on this forum don't value Evans but I would not trade him. He is very much underrated. He is a perfect 4th line center and an excellent 3rd liner. Defensively he is top notch and if he played with offensive wingers his stats would look a lot better but he is always playing with offensively stunted players. I know many would argue what I'm about to say but it would have to be a very very big package coming back.

But it's all a moot point. Right now the Habs are short on centers.

I like Evan's. But I think his offense is limited. He seems to falter when in a good offensive spot more offen than not.

Though, in point of fact last just night, that made me wonder if he isn't the next Lehkonen. Put him with really good offensive players and the points may come out. But Lehkonen had to finally produce before a team took notice and went out and got him for a two way role.

They should have paid up big for Monahan!

 

[26Mats]

It's crazy how Colorado barely have 5 top 6 forwards and are still top of the league.

They have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nikushin, and Lehkonen. Then who's their 5th top 6 forward? Ross Colton? Zach Parise? I definitely don't consider Drouin a top 6 forward. They really need to go out and get some help if they want to contend. I wonder if they'll nab Tarasenko.

 

[salbutera]

It's crazy how Colorado barely have 5 top 6 forwards and are still top of the league.

They have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nikushin, and Lehkonen. Then who's their 5th top 6 forward? Ross Colton? Zach Parise? I definitely don't consider Drouin a top 6 forward. They really need to go out and get some help if they want to contend. I wonder if they'll nab Tarasenko.

I would argue it’s not the forwards as much as the Dman - they underperformed for years with MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog, it wasn’t until Makar & Toews came in to generate from back end that Avs started finding the wind beneath their sails

 

[Deebs]

It's crazy how Colorado barely have 5 top 6 forwards and are still top of the league.

They have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nikushin, and Lehkonen. Then who's their 5th top 6 forward? Ross Colton? Zach Parise? I definitely don't consider Drouin a top 6 forward. They really need to go out and get some help if they want to contend. I wonder if they'll nab Tarasenko.

It's because they all have assigned roles and have bought in completely. I hope one day our crew does the same when the time comes. I'm sure they'll try to add if possible.

 

[Egresch]

He is right, with Carey on LTIR we will have around 15M cap space and we still might be able to move some of Allen/Armia/Anderson/Dvorak/Harris.

Now the point is. Should we invest that cap space and bring some veteran UFA? With Monahan left, I really cannot see any veteran leader in our forward group. We have Savard and Matheson in D, I even like Allen as G mentor, but literally nobody who can keep decent level of play and be a mentor for our F. Maybe, we should look for someone like Perron or Marchessault. Just give them big money for 1-2 years term and we should be fine.

 

[vokiel]

Dach and Newhook trades are good examples of moving quantity for quality. I think we make another move this offseason and we will call it "Hughes hattrick".

If hattrick means failing to deliver 3 times in a row I agree. ;-)

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

-talks were legit, not sure what the offer was, but it made Vancouver think about it. Friedman was told that Rutherford never would have, as there's nothing the Canes could offer that would make them better than they are right now.

- Wonders if the Pettersson deal might be a 4, or 5 year deal, so he can get another contract afterwards

- Pettersson's teammates (some) were surprised when the news came out he wanted to re-sign.

- Toronto might have been looking st David Savard. Nick Jensen they also looked at.

- Friedman throws out Ferraro or whatever his name is in San Jose

- the Russian dman thr Flames got from Dallas is a " Gudas type", he's physical, he's mean, he's a coach's dream.

I made that rhyme myself. Seems like a potential pair with him and Brz

There's more I didn't mean to post, so I'll make another hopefully it merges.

 

[26Mats]

I would argue it’s not the forwards as much as the Dman - they underperformed for years with MacKinnon, Rantanen and Landeskog, it wasn’t until Makar & Toews came in to generate from back end that Avs started finding the wind beneath their sails

True, but when they won the cup they had a ton of forward depth that they had to lose because of the cap. I agree the back end is great with a top 5 of Makar, Toews, Byrum, Girard, and Manson.

 

[salbutera]

True, but when they won the cup they had a ton of forward depth that they had to lose because of the cap. I agree the back end is great with a top 5 of Makar, Toews, Byrum, Girard, and Manson.

My point being can’t think of last Cup winner who didn’t have that #1 Dman. Seems to have become the most important position on a team

 

[26Mats]

Dach and Newhook trades are good examples of moving quantity for quality. I think we make another move this offseason and we will call it "Hughes hattrick".

Dach and Newhook trades were also done because many in those organizations didn't view Dach and Newhook as quality anymore.

In the Dach trade, Romaniv was viewed as high quality. We got a 13th pick for him. Is there anybody you would like to trade that we could get a 13th overall pick for?

My point being can’t think of last Cup winner who didn’t have that #1 Dman. Seems to have become the most important position on a team

I agree with your point. I'm just not sure Colorado can contend with that forward corps. If you can somehow contain, (not stop, but contain) the MacKinnon and Rantanen line, they don't have much after that. I don't see how they can win 4 rounds with that offense. But we'll see... They definitely need Landeskog back.

Upfront they've lost Kadri, Burakowsky, amd Landeskog from their cup winning team.

 

[Zorro]

We already have more then enough draft currency to make any sort of deal that presents itself. We have 4 first round picks and 3 second round picks over the next two drafts, we have so much draft currency we are allegedly already looking to not draft with all, there's no need for even more.

Yes lots of players can be good mentors but unless they are already here then it's irrelevant because trading Savard now still means throwing a hurdle in front of Xhekaj by derailing his current run of very good play. And sure he can probably overcome that hurdle, especially if we then go out an overpay for a veteran D in the UFA market over the summer but it's still bad asset management to disrupt a players development just as they are starting to take that next step forward. And doing it for a late 2nd is non-sensical even if in a vacuum it's a fair value.

I see your point and i would feel the same way if Savard was only worth a late round pick but a 2nd has a lot of value. You can never have enough draft currency. Regardless of where the Habs end this year, starting next year, the Habs will be expected to be significantly better and those picks can be useful. Also, the Habs have had a history of holding on to players well past their best before date and then they are just worthless and that's also bad asset management.

I'm all for player development/mentoring but there are other ways that this can be achieved.

 

[sampollock]

I think if a team offers a 2nd for Savard, hang up.

he is more valuable to the habs then a 2nd rounder. KH needs and will play hard ball, pay up or get lost

A very very good prospect or 1st overall. or get lost
yes it is a BIG ask to move him, but again he is valued high on this team, so why settle

 

[26Mats]

I think if a team offers a 2nd for Savard, hang up.

he is more valuable to the habs then a 2nd rounder. KH needs and will play hard ball, pay up or get lost

A very very good prospect or 1st overall. or get lost
yes it is a BIG ask to move him, but again he is valued high on this team, so why settle

What if moving Savard is the difference between finishing 6th, 7th, or 8th last versus 4th last?

That's the other side of the return, as Sam Pollock knew when he made trades to ensure we could get the number 1 pick and draft Lafleur. I wish we had trade vets at discounted prices last year to the Penguins, to help them in their playoff race with Florida. We could have had the 15th or 16th pick in the draft instead of the 31st pick. Anyways, I'm happy with Newhook.

 

[tazsub3]

I know people on this forum don't value Evans but I would not trade him. He is very much underrated. He is a perfect 4th line center and an excellent 3rd liner. Defensively he is top notch and if he played with offensive wingers his stats would look a lot better but he is always playing with offensively stunted players. I know many would argue what I'm about to say but it would have to be a very very big package coming back.

But it's all a moot point. Right now the Habs are short on centers.

Please don’t misunderstand me. On the contrary I value him a lot and why I think a playoff team might overpay for to get him . And I agree would be part of a package getting the habs a specific prospect they covet

 

[waitin425]

I think if a team offers a 2nd for Savard, hang up.

he is more valuable to the habs then a 2nd rounder. KH needs and will play hard ball, pay up or get lost

A very very good prospect or 1st overall. or get lost
yes it is a BIG ask to move him, but again he is valued high on this team, so why settle

He also still has a year left. We can afford to hang on and see where we are at next year and what the trade climate is, if we aren't playoff bound.

I agree......hold the line. To hell with what other D-men are getting right now. We aren't in danger of losing him this summer. So hold.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

- Dallas doesn't want to do a 1st for a rental

- Calgary tried to re-sign Tanev, not sure when, but he (Tanev) basically said it was too late

- Marek gushes over Dallas and their drafting, as he should

- Hanifin trying to get it so he's traded to a place he wants to extend, Calgary would get a better return with an extension and they're looking for more than what they got for Tanev

- Washington might be looking at Hanifin. They don't want to tear it down to the bottom, so they might be interested.

- Nashville might be adding. There's a lot of interest in Tommy Novak, some non-playoff teams are interested in him

- Philly looking for an inexpensive add to goal, if they do, it's a sign that they're going for the playoffs. It's why Toronto doesn't want to put Jones on waivers as Philly will grab him (likely)

- Toronto only has 2 players who don't need waivers, Knies and Robertson now.

- Friedman thinks Edmonton and Vegas would pay the high price to get Buchnevich

- LA has players coming back and will need to move someone out. Matt Roy is possible. Kaliyev was a healthy scratch and are still looking for some edge, but won't have the space.

- Calgary might look to add an NHL defenseman.

- Rangers looking around, might be looking at Okposo, USA hockey connection.

- wonders about Brandon Saad in St. Louis, but he has 2 years and teams might not be a fan of the extra year. Mentions Perunovich needs 14 games, otherwise he's a ufa.

- Ottawa wants to do something bigger than Tarasenko/Kubalik, but not sure it's now.

- Marek brings up Schmaltz. Mentions he has a higher salary than cap hit and Arizona doesn't really like that. Friedman heard last year that something was really close, he was close to going somewhere. Thought it was Carolina, but was told it wasn't them. Friedman heard it's less likely that they're going to move out players with term.

Now it goes to Montana's thought line, so that's likely it.