HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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If we get Savard for a 1st. We take that 1st + our own 1st+ the Jets 1st + the Flames 1st for EP.
Four firsts for a player that has never scored more than 39 goals a season? If you do that deal and he gets hurt, it will take a decade to recover.

I don’t think we are just one player away from being a contender. I say let's see what our promising prospects can do before we gut/risk our future.
 
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Managers/teams always get way too attached to their prospects.

If you can trade for a 100+ C that is in his prime, you do it.
As always, it's a question of cost and the circumstances of your respective team. How many championships has McDavid brought to the Oilers? Matthews to the Leafs? Without a strong supporting cast, it's the very rare player that can single handily change the fortunes of any team.
 
As always, it's a question of cost and the circumstances of your respective team. How many championships has McDavid brought to the Oilers? Matthews to the Leafs? Without a strong supporting cast, it's the very rare player that can single handily change the fortunes of any team.
Of course but how many Stanley Cup winning teams didn’t have a super solid top 6 with at least 1 or 2 star players
 
Habs need that elite talent,

EP is 100% that.

First EP needs to confirm that he wants to come in MTL and willing to stay long term.

Now how do we get this guy without gutting the team ?
Obviously they will want a 2C and a top 4 RHD all below 25 years old.

Dach feel the need for a 2C
Reinbacher feel the need for a RHD
Might have to had a sweetner as well. Owen Beck ?

Dach + Reinbacher + Beck or WPG first
for
EP signed , 12mil x 8 years
 
I remember thinking a 1st for Chiarot was realistic before we moved him and every other fanbase thought it was crazy to think he'd return a 1st. When it comes to Savard though, I can't see him returning a 1st unless we retain or package a later pick with him.
If an affordable, reliable, shut down, shot blocking, cup winning defenseman isn't worth a 1st, I don't know what is. Bigger question is would Montreal trade him now as he loves playing in Montreal and loved by his teammates.
 
why do people think that Van is going to trade their big star? can't see it
They might if he wants out but why would he want to come to Montreal if he doesn't want to stay in Vancouver.I just saw that he's rfa next year so yah no way they trade him until off season if they do.
 
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why do people think that Van is going to trade their big star? can't see it
EP seems to be following the Tavares playbook. If he doesn’t commit by the summer, why lose him for nothing the following year?
 
EP seems to be following the Tavares playbook. If he doesn’t commit by the summer, why lose him for nothing the following year?
I guess we see.. but time and time before BIG stars like this are rumored to want out or not sign.. and then their team signs them
more guys sign then force to want out.
 
Of course but how many Stanley Cup winning teams didn’t have a super solid top 6 with at least 1 or 2 star players
And they drafted all most all of them.

EP seems to be following the Tavares playbook. If he doesn’t commit by the summer, why lose him for nothing the following year?
They could keep him, extend him for a year, and trade him next deadline.
 
EP seems to be following the Tavares playbook. If he doesn’t commit by the summer, why lose him for nothing the following year?
I'm pretty sure he'll extend in Vancouver. He just isn't negotiating in season. But if he won't extend, he'll want to pick his destination.

He's not worth thinking about for us Habs fans.
 
One guy I will be interest to add to your team, without a top 6 role but a third liner, for the incoming years is Dmitry Voronkov. I like how hard he play, he can skate, hit, play hockey and he can be mean. He remind me in some way of a better version of Evgeny Artyukhin without the crazy stuff and the size or a less complete version of Andrei Nichushkin; a beast and a man you don't like to play against!

I'm not too sure what value he can have but with the prospects and the picks we have, they can find a way to pull the trigger! I would like to see what a player like this can do in a big market like Montréal when we will be able to compete after Columbus on losing mode; maybe he can take an extra gear! I like Olivier too if we can bring him as a 13th forward, make it happen!

I would like to target a lineup with some size and talent in every line and pay the price you need to draft Cayden Lindstrom too to achieve that if they believe he can be the guy we need : Our 1st, Winny pick and/or Farrell/Mesar/Barron could be included for my part with compensation from the other side; we need to give something to have something and we are at a stage where we need quality over quantity!

In 3 years, after the end of the crazy Bergy era with $$$ waste, this is the kind of lineup I would like to target!

??? - Suzuki - Slaf /// Roy - Suzuki - Slaf
Caufield - Lindstrom - Dach (Caufield on 2nd/1B for size issue, split with Suzuki)
Roy - Beck - Voronkov /// Newhook - Beck - Voronkov
Olivier / RHP* - F. Xhekaj - Heineman

Guhle - ???
Hutson - Reinbacher
A. Xhekaj - Mailloux
Engstrom/Struble

??? - Fowler / Fowler - Montembault

RHP can be replace by a defensive player with a lot of commitment with close to no salary cap to do the dirty works!

Drafting Lindstrom, give a plan B with Dach if the health issues still a problem and if not you can still use Dach on his strong side for the faceoff and be better in that department! Dach can switch after the faceoff or simply can became a full-time winger. With Lindstrom on board who combine size and talent it will be more easy to find the missing forward if we need one! It's more easy to find a productive winger than a big center/big forward who can play hockey in the Top 6.

Try to find the missing pieces with the assets/money we have and don't be affraid to pay the price if you have an opportunity. We can do the Eric Lindros, the Tanner Jeannot and the Brandon Hagel trades and we would still have difficulty to sign every prospects we drafted in the incoming years! At the moment, we have so many picks then we wasted some in not being able to sign everyone. We only sign the "good ones" and it's not a bad thing to have the choice but you understand what I'm trying to said!

A 1st liner, a 1st D and a 1st G in the worst case and maybe we already have this pieces, time will tell but we never have too much good players! We need to find a way to find our Panarin, Fox and Shesterkin to complete the puzzle in a perfect world!
 
I guess we see.. but time and time before BIG stars like this are rumored to want out or not sign.. and then their team signs them
more guys sign then force to want out.
There is no rumor, Pettersson is simply not committing. That kind of behavior usually does not bode well from a team’s perspective.
 
One guy I will be interest to add to your team, without a top 6 role but a third liner, for the incoming years is Dmitry Voronkov. I like how hard he play, he can skate, hit, play hockey and he can be mean. He remind me in some way of a better version of Evgeny Artyukhin without the crazy stuff and the size or a less complete version of Andrei Nichushkin; a beast and a man you don't like to play against!

I'm not too sure what value he can have but with the prospects and the picks we have, they can find a way to pull the trigger! I would like to see what a player like this can do in a big market like Montréal when we will be able to compete after Columbus on losing mode; maybe he can take an extra gear! I like Olivier too if we can bring him as a 13th forward, make it happen!

I would like to target a lineup with some size and talent in every line and pay the price you need to draft Cayden Lindstrom too to achieve that if they believe he can be the guy we need : Our 1st, Winny pick and/or Farrell/Mesar/Barron could be included for my part with compensation from the other side; we need to give something to have something and we are at a stage where we need quality over quantity!

In 3 years, after the end of the crazy Bergy era with $$$ waste, this is the kind of lineup I would like to target!

??? - Suzuki - Slaf /// Roy - Suzuki - Slaf
Caufield - Lindstrom - Dach (Caufield on 2nd/1B for size issue, split with Suzuki)
Roy - Beck - Voronkov /// Newhook - Beck - Voronkov
Olivier / RHP* - F. Xhekaj - Heineman

Guhle - ???
Hutson - Reinbacher
A. Xhekaj - Mailloux
Engstrom/Struble

??? - Fowler / Fowler - Montembault

RHP can be replace by a defensive player with a lot of commitment with close to no salary cap to do the dirty works!

Drafting Lindstrom, give a plan B with Dach if the health issues still a problem and if not you can still use Dach on his strong side for the faceoff and be better in that department! Dach can switch after the faceoff or simply can became a full-time winger. With Lindstrom on board who combine size and talent it will be more easy to find the missing forward if we need one! It's more easy to find a productive winger than a big center/big forward who can play hockey in the Top 6.

Try to find the missing pieces with the assets/money we have and don't be affraid to pay the price if you have an opportunity. We can do the Eric Lindros, the Tanner Jeannot and the Brandon Hagel trades and we would still have difficulty to sign every prospects we drafted in the incoming years! At the moment, we have so many picks then we wasted some in not being able to sign everyone. We only sign the "good ones" and it's not a bad thing to have the choice but you understand what I'm trying to said!

A 1st liner, a 1st D and a 1st G in the worst case and maybe we already have this pieces, time will tell but we never have too much good players! We need to find a way to find our Panarin, Fox and Shesterkin to complete the puzzle in a perfect world!
Is this post available as an audiobook cause I can’t read all this

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So where exactly are you taking this “significant” better from is it the advanced stats? Because Suzuki is -14

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Regarding +/-, does that imply that JT Miller, Boeser and Pius Suter are better defensively than Pettersson? Or that Caufield, Evans and Monahan are better defensively than Suzuki?

And I don't really even know why I need to rely on any stats. Suzuki is really smart defensively. Pettersson definitely isn't bad defensively, but his value is really in the neutral zone and offensive zone.
 
If EP were to make it to the point where we can send an offer sheet I'd be more than willing to give 13mil for 7 years.

Like other posters have said though, I'm pretty sure he's just waiting until the summer to extend in Vancouver.
 
According to D’Amico, Habs were never offered a 1st rounder for Anderson.



 
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