HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Nico Cauzuki]

Offensively yeah i guess. But the rest of Zegras' game is extremely unpolished which for a center is extremely problematic. He'll be 23 soon he doesn't have 5 years to polish it. I would not trade a top 10 pick for him personally.

Same with Caufield hes horrible defensively and i think Z would fit better on the wing today atleast until he works on some details but hes more talented then CC always has been

Im not too familiar with the draft this year outside Celebrini but yea not sure i would give a top 10 pick neither but im sure Ducks would get much better offers then a late 1st and Mailloux for Trevor

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

But Savard is a lot better than Scandella.

Not enough to go from a 2nd to 1st (unless the right circumstances are met).
Scandella got a 2nd + conditional 4th. Savard could get a 2nd + 3rd without conditions.

In 2021, Savard was 30 year olds, was the best D available at the tdl, and returned a 1st + 3rd + 4th in a 3-way trade.

He's now 33, isn't the top D available, and isn't as highly regarded as he was back then.
There's also a limited amount of teams that will be willing to trade a 1st round pick, and 2 of them have already used theirs (Canucks, Jets).

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not enough to go from a 2nd to 1st (unless the right circumstances are met).
Scandella got a 2nd + conditional 4th. Savard could get a 2nd + 3rd without conditions.

In 2021, Savard was 30 year olds, was the best D available at the tdl, and returned a 1st + 3rd + 4th in a 3-way trade.

He's now 33, isn't the top D available, and isn't as highly regarded as he was back then.
There's also a limited amount of teams that will be willing to trade a 1st round pick, and 2 of them have already used theirs (Canucks, Jets).

It entirely depends on retention or not. There's no chance Savard would return a 1st without it.

 

[Deebs]

HuGu will start adding this summer i can guarantee it and for me it would start with offer sheet to Pettersson.

Absolutely we should send him an offersheet. We offer what we think he's worth to our team and then let Vancouver decide what they want to do. I'm 100% on board with this.

 

[Colezuki]

It’ll cost a 9-12OA pick for Ana to move Zegras… so basically Habs own 1st rounder

That's literally what I just dropped in, your likely looking at a pick in the teens with the cgy pick, a late 1st and Harris to move up into that territory.

Calgary sounds like they're going to try and retool on the fly, that means picking in the 10-20 range next year, if the pick is outside of the top 10 montreal gets the better of the Calgary or Florida picks. I have a feeling that happens,

 

[DAChampion]

Not enough to go from a 2nd to 1st (unless the right circumstances are met).
Scandella got a 2nd + conditional 4th. Savard could get a 2nd + 3rd without conditions.

In 2021, Savard was 30 year olds, was the best D available at the tdl, and returned a 1st + 3rd + 4th in a 3-way trade.

He's now 33, isn't the top D available, and isn't as highly regarded as he was back then.
There's also a limited amount of teams that will be willing to trade a 1st round pick, and 2 of them have already used theirs (Canucks, Jets).

I think that Savard is substantially better than Scandella, plus, he's on a very good contract which adds value.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Saw this article about trading Allen for Campbell for a 1st.

NHL Notebook: Is Jake Allen a fit for the Oilers, and news on the Coyotes’ future ‘days or weeks’ away

The Edmonton Oilers' turnaround this year has been significant. From o...

oilersnation.com

To me that sounds WAY TOO LITTLE. I’d want a 1st, a very good prospect or two, and maybe another pick.

Allen is probably worth their 2nd, taking Campbell is at least worth a 1st, and saving their butts at the last minute is priceless. They could make some noise in the playoffs if they have their goalie situation solved.

I would take Holloway (if injuries aren’t a concern) or Broberg (i could see him break out in a new environment).

Easily too low.

I want 2 firsts and Petrov.

 

[The Great Weal]

Z is a better player then Caufield always has been and Mailloux aint a A level prospect

Well no he isn't even close to Caufield this year. He's also more flawed. Mailloux is one of the AHL's best point producing defensemen as a former 1st rounder, he's not a B level prospect.

 

[salbutera]

Well no he isn't even close to Caufield this year. He's also more flawed. Mailloux is one of the AHL's best point producing defensemen as a former 1st rounder, he's not a B level prospect.

From what I’ve seen over last number of seasons, contract status determines market value of young players who aren’t performing to their draft ranking. Zegras is no longer on ELC like Dach and Newhook will see a depreciation in acquisition cost, which will be further impacted by his proximity to UFA in 5-years….

 

[habbubba]

In the right context he is.

In terms of point production of course not and thats what I said in my first post. However when it comes to being a leader and showing the young guys how to be a pro he is.

Its worth it because he will teach those lessons to the young core and when his deal is up it will be on them to teach the younger ones.....

its expensive but since they have the room and arent contenders yet the cap hit makes almost no difference....

Right context? is he? how do you or anyone know what really is going on behind the scenes? unless you get details from someone on the team.
That would make him a valuable commodity so he should be easily moved then, if he's that valuable right?

Letting you in on something, so called leadership is blown out of proportion. We are talking about professionals and they will play the game that they've been playing since they were kids. They don't need to rely on others to get them up and get going as they are in the NHL and would not be if they weren't capable of the self motivation required on their own or they would not be playing in the NHL. The coaching staff decides strategy for games and coaches the players as to the specifics of their role. In a dressing room you have cliques and not everyone on a team likes everyone on a team. You have a range of personalities on a team, some are likable and some are not, that is the same with any team. If you say or anyone says that they like everybody on their teams I'd say they are full of shit.

 

[BLONG7]

Same with Caufield hes horrible defensively and i think Z would fit better on the wing today atleast until he works on some details but hes more talented then CC always has been

Im not too familiar with the draft this year outside Celebrini but yea not sure i would give a top 10 pick neither but im sure Ducks would get much better offers then a late 1st and Mailloux for Trevor

CC has changed his all around game............Engels has even written about it, and MSL has been complimentary towards CC and his D side of the game....

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sadly for Vancouver MB is not a GM anymore so it's very unlikely EP receives a 8 millions for 5 years OS.

He wouldn't sign that shit anyways

 

[Vachon23]

CC has changed his all around game............Engels has even written about it, and MSL has been complimentary towards CC and his D side of the game....

I mean he pass from terrible defensively to bad defensively but let’s not act like if he’s useful defensively

 

[Benstheman]

Sadly for Vancouver MB is not a GM anymore so it's very unlikely EP receives a 8 millions for 5 years OS.

7X12

 

[Ozmodiar]

Zegras …

He’s talented, no doubt, but is he a #1 center? Perhaps not. Keep in mind, the Ducks picked 3 centers in the first round since Zegras was drafted.

However, because he can play center and wing, I’m intrigued considering:
- Dach injury
- Demidov

Zegras provides the backup to Dach without having to do so in the draft. (Newhook isn’t the answer). This leaves the Habs free to draft Demidov.

Imagine this top 9:
Slaf - Suzuki - Demidov
Caufield - Zegras - Dach
Newhook - Beck - Mesar

 

[Vachon23]

Zegras vs Mailloux + 2024 1st Winnipeg

That’s my prediction

Anaheim will decline that

 

[WeThreeKings]

Anaheim will decline that

Montreal wouldn't even offer it.

 

[Vachon23]

Montreal wouldn't even offer it.

I do think they would do it. 2 big question mark for at least a top 6 player

 

[calder candidate]

Not enough to go from a 2nd to 1st (unless the right circumstances are met).
Scandella got a 2nd + conditional 4th. Savard could get a 2nd + 3rd without conditions.

In 2021, Savard was 30 year olds, was the best D available at the tdl, and returned a 1st + 3rd + 4th in a 3-way trade.

He's now 33, isn't the top D available, and isn't as highly regarded as he was back then.
There's also a limited amount of teams that will be willing to trade a 1st round pick, and 2 of them have already used theirs (Canucks, Jets).

Savard isn’t a playoff rental… Team might not be willing to trade a 1st, but it doesn’t make any sense for MTL to trade him for less especially if there is retention. We have something other want, what will a late 2nd in this draft do for us, just Savard presence (mentoring/ sheltering) young player might be better for our rebuild than a late 2nd… also he might still fetch a 2nd or similar (the drop off in value will small) next year.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I do think they would do it. 2 big question mark for at least a top 6 player

No world where they would.. they don't like Zegras style players.

 

[calder candidate]

That's literally what I just dropped in, your likely looking at a pick in the teens with the cgy pick, a late 1st and Harris to move up into that territory.

Calgary sounds like they're going to try and retool on the fly, that means picking in the 10-20 range next year, if the pick is outside of the top 10 montreal gets the better of the Calgary or Florida picks. I have a feeling that happens,

Pretty sure CGY will be bottom 10 next year…

 

[Captain Mountain]

Pretty sure CGY will be bottom 10 next year…

Why? They're 3 points out of playoff spot and they're not planning to rebuild. They have cap space, a lot of decent veterans, and a number of interesting young guys.They will also likely have an arsenal of picks and prospects to make trades if they want to.

 

[1909]

Pretty sure CGY will be bottom 10 next year…

They have many UFA players, especially on D. They might want to do a clean up and acquire assets before trade deadline in March.

 

[BLONG7]

I mean he pass from terrible defensively to bad defensively but let’s not act like if he’s useful defensively

You haven't been watching lately?
He has been rushing back to help on many occasions.....the kid has speed going both ways on the ice this season....

 

[Vachon23]

You haven't been watching lately?
He has been rushing back to help on many occasions.....the kid has speed going both ways on the ice this season....

Big difference between skating back and being efficient at doing it

But yes didn’t watch many games in 2024