HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[salbutera]

Rutger McGroarty​

Like the Expos, Jets will never surrender anything above B- prospects. They simply can’t afford to as a small Cdn market.

On top of it they specifically target mid-Western US types because those tend to be ok staying longer term in Winter-Peg..close proximity to home. Minny, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nebraska

Every year 35-40% of Jets roster are US mid-West players

 

[Benstheman]

Come on guys, don't expect major prospects coming our way at the deadline. Have to look at the deadline more like as laying the base for the summer.

 

[sampollock]

Come on guys, don't expect major prospects coming our way at the deadline. Have to look at the deadline more like as laying the base for the summer.

I know, nice to dream.. is all

 

[sampollock]

“ Cayden Primeau has a very strong connection to the Philadelphia Flyers because of his father. In addition, when he plays against the Flyers, he has relatively good games, they are good games for him.

It is certain that on the Flyers side, Cayden Primeau , we know him. We evaluated him, we went through what he did in the American League and so on. » - Renaud Lavoie

 

[Draft]

Laine is still only 25 years old. Feels like he's been around forever.

For me, if a guy is still not motivated to play every night after 9 nhl seasons, he's unlikely to ever put it all together.

I'm not sure if it's really about motivation at this point. Third straight season with a major injury. Father passed away and that was a pretty difficult time for him. Still scored PPG in the two seasons previous and he was allegedly brought back too early from a concussion which influenced the poor play this year. There are several players openly asking out of CLB and their rebuild doesn't look like it's ending anytime soon. There's a lot of stink, but I don't think it's coming from Laine's lack of motivation.

If he can be PPG on a rebuilding team without putting it all together, that's significantly better than what we've got. I could happily live with a Kovalev-type on top of the current core.

Considering our draft luck, the likelihood of more top-5 picks moving forward, and the near impossibility of an elite UFA signing, this may be the only player with superstar-level/gamebreaking talent we'll get a shot at in the next 5yrs. He's not going to be an all situations player but I think we can manage that. The biggest gamble comes from taking on the contract. Accounting for big raises for Guhle and Slaf after next year, we've still got loads of cap space until the end of his contract.

I'd gamble. Given that we can take on the full contract without much hassle, I think the cost to acquire him will be considerably lower. Feels like a guy that ends up scoring 40g+ next season and teams kick themselves for writing him off. We've got a good group and a good coach... he might even put it all together and want to stay as well.

 

[Andy]

I'm not sure if it's really about motivation at this point. Third straight season with a major injury. Father passed away and that was a pretty difficult time for him. Still scored PPG in the two seasons previous and he was allegedly brought back too early from a concussion which influenced the poor play this year. There are several players openly asking out of CLB and their rebuild doesn't look like it's ending anytime soon. There's a lot of stink, but I don't think it's coming from Laine's lack of motivation.

If he can be PPG on a rebuilding team without putting it all together, that's significantly better than what we've got. I could happily live with a Kovalev-type on top of the current core.

Considering our draft luck, the likelihood of more top-5 picks moving forward, and the near impossibility of an elite UFA signing, this may be the only player with superstar-level/gamebreaking talent we'll get a shot at in the next 5yrs. He's not going to be an all situations player but I think we can manage that. The biggest gamble comes from taking on the contract. Accounting for big raises for Guhle and Slaf after next year, we've still got loads of cap space until the end of his contract.

I'd gamble. Given that we can take on the full contract without much hassle, I think the cost to acquire him will be considerably lower. Feels like a guy that ends up scoring 40g+ next season and teams kick themselves for writing him off. We've got a good group and a good coach... he might even put it all together and want to stay as well.

This is a good post and has me reconsidering.

What could the habs possibly offer CBJ that they would want and the habs would be willing to part with?

I don't think Harris, Barron, Mesar types will get you Laine.

 

[sampollock]

I'm not sure if it's really about motivation at this point. Third straight season with a major injury. Father passed away and that was a pretty difficult time for him. Still scored PPG in the two seasons previous and he was allegedly brought back too early from a concussion which influenced the poor play this year. There are several players openly asking out of CLB and their rebuild doesn't look like it's ending anytime soon. There's a lot of stink, but I don't think it's coming from Laine's lack of motivation.

If he can be PPG on a rebuilding team without putting it all together, that's significantly better than what we've got. I could happily live with a Kovalev-type on top of the current core.

Considering our draft luck, the likelihood of more top-5 picks moving forward, and the near impossibility of an elite UFA signing, this may be the only player with superstar-level/gamebreaking talent we'll get a shot at in the next 5yrs. He's not going to be an all situations player but I think we can manage that. The biggest gamble comes from taking on the contract. Accounting for big raises for Guhle and Slaf after next year, we've still got loads of cap space until the end of his contract.

I'd gamble. Given that we can take on the full contract without much hassle, I think the cost to acquire him will be considerably lower. Feels like a guy that ends up scoring 40g+ next season and teams kick themselves for writing him off. We've got a good group and a good coach... he might even put it all together and want to stay as well.

same draft as nostrils I think, in fact I thought Laine said he would show all why HE should have been #1 pick

 

[sampollock]

Pierre McGuire says on Tony's podcast, habs should not trade Mike Math but extend him.

I say trade him if Kent can get good trade back

 

[WeThreeKings]

Pierre McGuire says on Tony's podcast, habs should not trade Mike Math but extend him.

I say trade him if Kent can get good trade back

He won't be moved until his final year.. but they won't be extending him, there's no room.

 

[sampollock]

He won't be moved until his final year.. but they won't be extending him, there's no room.

agreed, no way they extend him

 

[McGees]

Pierre McGuire says on Tony's podcast, habs should not trade Mike Math but extend him.

I say trade him if Kent can get good trade back

Trade Pierre with that brilliant idea.

 

[Takeru]

Friedman - Monahan isn't likely to get a 1st unless the team acquiring him want to extend him, or there's a real rush for him.

Says Monahan is really well respected around the league for his determination.

Adds how high can you play Monahan on a contending team. Doesn't think he's a 2nd line centre on a contending name.

Vancouver is looking at Lindholm, or Henrique, guys who can move around the lineup. If you're looking for a 3rd line centre, he's your guy (Monahan).

Marek doesn't really think it, but did say if they do get one, they get one for taking him and one for letting him go.

Hardly disagree on Monahan. Far less useful players have garnered first before, a first from a contender isn't all that valuable anyway.

Also you don't acquire him to play 2nd C, he can slot on the wing and provides redundancy in case of injuries and is another faceoff option. That's his value to a contender, which is plenty to justify a low 1st rounder.

 

[Runner77]

If Norman Flynn was our GM, instead of Nick, Cole and Slaf...
our top line would be Simmonds, Palmieri and PLD.
#neverforget

He wore these cringers again this week.

Never forget his clown shoes either.

 

[Miller Time]

agreed, no way they extend him

i think it will depend... best case scenario is that Guhle/Hutson have cemented themselves as top 2 LD's, and 2 of RB/Mailloux/Barron the same on the right side. This is not a given though, as exciting as they are as prospects, a lot remains to be proven before they are firmly playing at playoff caliber top 4.

after that, any of Stubble/X/Harris/Konyuskov/Engstrom/Trudeau could also have pushed their way into that space and/or cemented a top 6 spot.

i think it's likely that at least 1 of the top 6 spots will remain occupied by a vet, and unless Matheson gets traded by then or has played himself to a massive contract despite being 33 yrs old, there's a good chance he gets extended as the veteran support to a young group entering their prime.

 

[Takeru]

Pierre McGuire says on Tony's podcast, habs should not trade Mike Math but extend him.

I say trade him if Kent can get good trade back

Ooooffff.

If we end up extending Math, something will have gone horribly wrong with the development of our young D.

 

[Draft]

This is a good post and has me reconsidering.

What could the habs possibly offer CBJ that they would want and the habs would be willing to part with?

I don't think Harris, Barron, Mesar types will get you Laine.

I think it's hard to gauge exactly where his value is at given the injuries. We were GIVEN a 1st to take on Monahan because he couldn't stay in the lineup and had a big contract. Lower upside and lower risk, but the principle remains. The Jackets have a logjam of young players at nearly every position but they're still plugging away with the rebuild - I don't think our NHL-ready young guys would be terribly interesting but taking his contract for picks might.

Based on reactions from the main board, it looks like a 1st (2025 CGY) + 3rd would probably do it. That would signal a pretty hard end to the rebuild for MTL.

 

[Runner77]

same draft as nostrils I think, in fact I thought Laine said he would show all Zadina why HE should have been #1 pick and vice versa

Fixed.

Ever since Mark Messier made his Game 6 guarantee in the 1994 playoffs, every one is making prophesies that all too often fall flat.

Maybe these self-styled Nostradamuses should just stick to trying to impress each other and leave it at that.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I'd be all over Laine if he's available. Sure he's had some shit luck so far, but that's the only reason a player with that upside is available, if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have the chance to trade for a guy like him.

As of now we have a pretty lackluster forward core looking forward. We have Suzuki who's good for 60-70 points, Caufield looks to be a similar producer, then outside of that we have a mix bag of guys like Dach/Slaf/Roy that could end up being 50+ point players someday, but it's too early to know.

If we can grab another young forward that's shown PPG potential then I'd be all over it, especially if his trade price is at an all time low.

 

[The Great Weal]

Based on reactions from the main board, it looks like a 1st (2025 CGY) + 3rd would probably do it. That would signal a pretty hard end to the rebuild for MTL.

His contract uncertainty also worries me. I think this is a trade the Jackets make next year.

 

[vokiel]

Pierre McGuire says on Tony's podcast, habs should not trade Mike Math but extend him.

I say trade him if Kent can get good trade back

I say we do nothing and let his contract run through until his last year at the TDL.

 

[CHwest]

I'd be all over Laine if he's available. Sure he's had some shit luck so far, but that's the only reason a player with that upside is available, if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have the chance to trade for a guy like him.

As of now we have a pretty lackluster forward core looking forward. We have Suzuki who's good for 60-70 points, Caufield looks to be a similar producer, then outside of that we have a mix bag of guys like Dach/Slaf/Roy that could end up being 50+ point players someday, but it's too early to know.

If we can grab another young forward that's shown PPG potential then I'd be all over it, especially if his trade price is at an all time low.

As Kings celebrate Kopitar milestones, trade for Dubois looks worse by the day

The deal for Pierre-Luc Dubois could leave the franchise in an expensive hole it will struggle to get out of for years.

www.dailynews.com

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I'd be all over Laine if he's available. Sure he's had some shit luck so far, but that's the only reason a player with that upside is available, if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have the chance to trade for a guy like him.

As of now we have a pretty lackluster forward core looking forward. We have Suzuki who's good for 60-70 points, Caufield looks to be a similar producer, then outside of that we have a mix bag of guys like Dach/Slaf/Roy that could end up being 50+ point players someday, but it's too early to know.

If we can grab another young forward that's shown PPG potential then I'd be all over it, especially if his trade price is at an all time low.

Dach could use a shooter on his line so I think those 2 would make a great combo, not to mention they are both big guys. He would round out our top 6 nicely and would add another shooting threat to our PP.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Laine

Laine started the year with the Babcock shit, then he's been moved to centre at times for some reasons and has dealt with injuries.. this year has been an absolutely write-off for him and he'd make a good buy-low candidate.

 

[Miller Time]

As Kings celebrate Kopitar milestones, trade for Dubois looks worse by the day

The deal for Pierre-Luc Dubois could leave the franchise in an expensive hole it will struggle to get out of for years.

www.dailynews.com

that's fair... though the advantage of rolling the dice on Laine is that it's only a 2-year commitment.

It's worth at least kicking tires on IMO. if the price were Cgy1st + 3rd, i'd hope that we are in the running. that's a worthwhile gambit on a player that has had some mitigating external factors working against him and hasn't walked into a situation with the cultural stability that the habs are in the process of cementing. Add to that the age, and next contract incentive, and we could reap a big reward from a relatively low cost

 

[Draft]

His contract uncertainty also worries me. I think this is a trade the Jackets make next year.

It potentially means he's not a part of the long-term plans - for better or worse. Great if he sucks and we can move on, a bit worrisome if he performs and we have to try and re-sign him (which is not entirely a bad thing given that it means he performed well). The nice part is that we'll still likely have a lot of cap space when both Dach (RFA) and Laine (UFA) are talking extension. If we're a competitive team with cap space and he likes it here, we'd just need to be confident in what we've built. I think there's going to be a pretty small market for him given the contract and injury situation.

I also think the Jackets should trade him in the off season and attempt to get his value back up for the rest of the season. They run the risk of him entering Monahan/pure cap-dump territory, but it might also mean a much bigger payout. Might also work better for MTL given our aspirations to reach bottom-5.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

As Kings celebrate Kopitar milestones, trade for Dubois looks worse by the day

The deal for Pierre-Luc Dubois could leave the franchise in an expensive hole it will struggle to get out of for years.

www.dailynews.com

Dubois was coming off his best season in the NHL and his value was at its highest. To add to that, he didn't have a contract and was expected to sign a 7-8 year deal which was risky for a guy who hasn't stepped on the ice for his new team.

Laine's value is pretty much as it's lowest and he only has 2 years left on his deal after this. If the trade doesn't work out at least we don't have his cap hit on the books for a shit load of years like PLD.