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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Well i'm just responding to the quote, I don't want to make his argument for him.

Agreed. So why the focus on just one aspect of team building.

Especially when juxtaposed against what the Knights or Bruins or Blues have done...and even to a certain degree, probably less so, the Avalanche have done.
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This argument is fair, but I don't think anyone is saying to ignore making good trades, developing your non-tank picks, building a great scouting staff finding gems every year, building good supporting cast, etc. I haven't read that anywhere.

You say you responded to the quote, but what I see is you responding to what's not said in the quote. You still need to focus on tanking while doing the other things to build a good team. Without MacKinnon/Makar Avs have no cup... But same can be said had they not made all the supporting moves.

Bruins/Vegas did things that Montreal can't/hasn't been able to do ever: attract prime likely hall of fame talent as UFA in Chara and Pietrangelo. It's nice to look at the no tanking but there's other elements that allow them to not tank that is not in Montreal's control. Tanking, to an extent, is more controllable. But yes in theory people should be clamouring to get superstar Ufa along with tanking to help with the rest of the team building.
 
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Wats said:
This argument is fair, but I don't think anyone is saying to ignore making good trades, developing your non-tank picks, building a great scouting staff finding gems every year, building good supporting cast, etc. I haven't read that anywhere.

You say you responded to the quote, but what I see is you responding to what's not said in the quote. You still need to focus on tanking while doing the other things to build a good team. Without MacKinnon/Makar Avs have no cup... But same can be said had they not made all the supporting moves.
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Yeah, like I said in a subsequent post to @Whitesnake I should not have assumed that what he didn't write in the quote, isn't how he feels. So that's on me, I just jumped into discussion that was ongoing and probably didn't look at the entire context of that conversation.

Mea culpa!
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Bruins/Vegas did things that Montreal can't/hasn't been able to do ever: attract prime likely hall of fame talent as UFA in Chara and Pietrangelo. It's nice to look at the no tanking but there's other elements that allow them to not tank that is not in Montreal's control. Tanking, to an extent, is more controllable. But yes in theory people should be clamouring to get superstar Ufa along with tanking to help with the rest of the team building.
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UFA route is less of superstar "provider" than it used to be. Teams lock up their star players so it's rare these days that you can sign superstars in free agency who are still in the prime of their careers. The Panarins or Tavares', are rare these days. You're more likely signing guys who are past their prime but still have the reputation and then you're just paying for name value than future impact.

The UFA market has morphed into a niche market now IMO, it's where you go to find specific elements you need but I don't think it defines team building strategies anymore.

If you look at the upcoming UFAs for this offseason...Reinhart is probably the most attractive when it comes to age but I think any team signing him is taking a huge risk because he's at the pinnacle of his career right now IMO. Other than that, you've got names like Stamkos, Guentzel, Duchene, Lindholm, Marchesseault, Pavelski.

Very meh given the age and cost profile.

I continue to think that the best strategy is to accumulate as many assets as possible to allow yourself to be flexible on the trade market, you need to be prospect rich (if not in high quality, than at least in high quantity) and draft pick rich.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
Sportsnet has their first trade candidate list. FWIW, unlike other lists (TSN, Athletic, Daily Faceoff) it doesn't look any insiders had a role in creating this list, just beat writers and their resident scout.

www.sportsnet.ca

Sportsnet's 25 NHL trade candidates to watch two months from the deadline

With less than two months until the NHL's March 8 trade deadline, Sportsnet insiders present a list of 25 trade candidates to watch this season.
www.sportsnet.ca www.sportsnet.ca

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Was looking to see if this was posted. Nice to see 4 Habs on the list with Allen, Monahan, Pearson, and Savard. I'd be pretty happy if those 4 guys were moved for decent returns. I don't see any of them being in MTL long-term.
 
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Yeah, like I said in a subsequent post to @Whitesnake I should not have assumed that what he didn't write in the quote, isn't how he feels. So that's on me, I just jumped into discussion that was ongoing and probably didn't look at the entire context of that conversation.

Mea culpa!

UFA route is less of superstar "provider" than it used to be. Teams lock up their star players so it's rare these days that you can sign superstars in free agency who are still in the prime of their careers. The Panarins or Tavares', are rare these days. You're more likely signing guys who are past their prime but still have the reputation and then you're just paying for name value than future impact.

The UFA market has morphed into a niche market now IMO, it's where you go to find specific elements you need but I don't think it defines team building strategies anymore.

If you look at the upcoming UFAs for this offseason...Reinhart is probably the most attractive when it comes to age but I think any team signing him is taking a huge risk because he's at the pinnacle of his career right now IMO. Other than that, you've got names like Stamkos, Guentzel, Duchene, Lindholm, Marchesseault, Pavelski.

Very meh given the age and cost profile.

I continue to think that the best strategy is to accumulate as many assets as possible to allow yourself to be flexible on the trade market, you need to be prospect rich (if not in high quality, than at least in high quantity) and draft pick rich.
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If we could bring Stammer in on a short term deal, I'd be all for it but he'll want to go try to win a cup or get a long term deal and I don't blame him.
 
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Deebs said:
If we could bring Stammer in on a short term deal, I'd be all for it but he'll want to go try to win a cup or get a long term deal and I don't blame him.
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Yeah I can't see the Habs being an interesting option for him at this stage of his career...and the Habs would probably be wanting that deal to be a very short term deal so they could deal him at some point and recoup assets.
 
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Deebs said:
If we could bring Stammer in on a short term deal, I'd be all for it but he'll want to go try to win a cup or get a long term deal and I don't blame him.
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Hughes said he wasnt interested in going UFA hunting this summer but wouldnt say no if a player like Panarin wanted to come here. So unless Stamkos wants to come here, we wont be going after him. The following summer is when Hughes said he'd start to target UFAs. That would be when Rantanen is a UFA. Him and Slaf would be interesting to see on a line with Dach
 
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rik schau said:
From his lack of activity it looks like he's not interested in dong anything. lol
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Hughes isn't going to lower his asking prices just to move players and GMs don't appear to want to spend so far this year.

This is the NHL trades since the season started on Oct 10th, in reverse order (most recent to oldest).
- Drysdale + a 2nd for Gauthier's rights
- A 5th for Tatar
- A 5th and 3rd for Zadorov
- A 5th for Beauviller (moved to create cap space for Zadorov, the 5th is even the same as in the Zadorov trade)
- A 7th for Bogosian

There was about as many AHL level trades made as well, which is actually low compared to just last year which wasn't that existing in term of trades either.

It's going to be another rather underwhelming trade season. Event he rumors mill is quiet outside the media making their "trade bait" list.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
I want Mathieu Joseph. In fact, I wanted him at the start of the season when there were rumors they were going to move him in order to create cap space for Pinto. Obviously we know Pinto was suspended. But he is slated to return soon and he still needs to be signed and Sens still need to make room for him on the cap.

Although I think if they do move Joseph, it'll more than likely be to a contender or someone who will make a push for the playoffs. And the price to acquire him is probably higher now than it was at the start of the year because he has been having a good season so far.

Despite all that, Joseph is someone I would like to be on the Habs. He's a fast skater, plays with some jam, can produce, he's not small (6'1" and 190 lbs).

He's also under contract for another two years after this year at a really good cap hit ($2.95M) and will turn 27 next month, so he's not some old vet. He's in his prime years right now. He'll be 29 when his current deal is up.
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If the reports are right, Pinto will sign at 800K for the rest of the year.
He doesn't have much leverage anymore.

So no need for them to create cap space unfortunately.
 

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How good is Pinto?
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Solid Skater, Drives to the net, Good shot with a great release. Shoot first player. Big but doesn't play big, not a hitter, not solid along the boards etc.. Good on faceoffs.

Awful defensively in my opinion.

Might become a 2nd line player, but that's about it. I wouldn't give up the farm for him. A 6'3 guy who plays soft is not my thing.
 
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