HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Pat Riot

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And when Subban was drafted in the 2nd round, did you feel the same way? How about Markov in the 7th round?
Did they make the jump straight to the NHL? Subban spent a season in the AHL which I advocate for and MArkov came in the league at what 22. He developed in the KHL. I dont think you get my point.

What I meant hes 18-19 years old player starting right away in the NHL. I thought it was pretty clear. But you go and name a player who spent a seaon in the AHL .
 

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We can trade guys like Savard and sign replacements in UFA. For me it’s unacceptable not to be selling stopgaps unless we’re fighting for a playoff position. I know we traded a couple of firsts last year for Newhook, but I think it’s pretty unacceptable to have only 2 picks in the first 3 rounds of a draft during a rebuild.
Hughes usually wants his teams to play meaningful games down the stretch. Helps you with development
 
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Did they make the jump straight to the NHL? Subban spent a season in the AHL which I advocate for and MArkov came in the league at what 22. He developed in the KHL. I dont think you get my point
Lane Hutson is an exceptional prospect. Did he make the jump directly to the NHL? No, he has played 2 x seasons of college thus far and likely to play a season in the AHL before making the jump like Subban.

You have no point to what you are stating. Just fallacies like "an elite player does not picked in the 2nd round...".
 

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Lane Hutson is an exceptional prospect. Did he make the jump directly to the NHL? No, he has played 2 x seasons of college thus far and likely to play a season in the AHL before making
You have no point to what you are stating. Just fallacies like "an elite player does not picked in the 2nd round...".

Lane Hutson is an exceptional prospect. Did he make the jump directly to the NHL? No, he has played 2 x seasons of college thus far and likely to play a season in the AHL before making the jump like Subban.

You have no point to what you are stating. Just fallacies like "an elite player does not picked in the 2nd round...".

I said exceptional player. I guess we have a different meaning to exceptional. Like Subban and Markov were elite but not exceptional player IMO
 

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My God we have so many good defensive prospects it's crazy. I count 11 or 12 NHL caliber defenseman in the organisation. Gotta use one or two to acquire some serious offensive help for next season.
 
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My God we have so many good defensive prospects it's crazy. I count 11 or 13 NHL caliber defenseman in the organisation. Gotta use one or two to acquire some serious offensive help for next season.

Yeah and its quite encouraging when we look at what we receives for Romanov. Hughes will bring young offensive prospects which are desperately needed
 
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Guhle handled those minutes fine last year while Matheson was injured, BTW, but, anyhow, Matheson's value might be at it's highest at next year,s trade deadline,especially if Hughes holds back salary.

A productive, veteran, PMD who can play on a 2nd pair and not be overwhelmed, at only 2.4375M, for a playoff run and another season would be extremely valuable. More valuable than as a pure rental 2026, IMO.

By the trade deadline next season, Guhle will have over 2 seasons of NHL experience and he's already a steadying influence, most nights, on D. Playing alongside Reinbacher, instead of who-knows-what-will-happen Barron should not be a concern for the head coach.

Savard should really be playing on a 3rd pairing already as he's also clearly overwhelmed by his current first pairing assignation alongside Matheson, even if his role is just to hang back as Matheson takes off with the puck.

Both Xhekaj and Mailloux could benefit from starting next season in Laval as a pairing there.

I'm not saying that Struble is better than either, or that he has a better ceiling, but he's a safer, more reliable defensive option and can be used to help build Barron's trade value until next year's trade deadline when he and Savard can both be placed on the trading block.

Hutson can also start the year in Laval, after eliminating any chances of returning in the NCAA once he joins Montreal at the end of this season to burn a year off of his ELC.

Engstrom should also turn pro next year and would likely be the pairing partner for Hutson in Laval.

Once Matheson and Savard are moved, the pairing of Xhekaj - Mailloux can be brought up from Laval to round out the season as a pairing in the NHL. Hutson can also join the NHL roster alongside Struble who will play the stay-at-home role to protect Hutson.

Struble plays a physical brand of hockey and can fight anyone who tries to manhandle the man child, Hutson. Struble can also play RD (as a lefty) -- he has in the past. He also has the skating and IQ to keep up with any offense generated by Hutson, but, especially, to help recover from any turnovers that Hutson might have given up.

Starting D-Corps for 2024-2025:

Matheson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Savard
Struble - Barron
Harris

Post deadline D-Corps once Hughes has traded Matheson for a haul, Barron for a project/prospect and Savard for a 2nd rounder:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Struble
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris

As with Mailloux, Engstrom would benefit from another year in Laval, in this case, for more experience on North American ice, but could be called mid-season to better complement Hutson if the experience with Struble doesn't pan out.

Possible 7-man D-Corps in 2025-2026:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble

Yes, the D would be young, but Reinbacher's ability to close the gap and Guhle's acquired NHL experience should enable them to hold their own, defensively, in the NHL. Reinbacher, initially playing more of a shutdown role as he gets used to the NHL, should enable Guhle to continue developng his offensive game there.

Hutson would be protected by Struble after two thirds of a year in Laval and Xhekaj - Mailloux, once the trade deadline has passed, would benefit from the chemistry developed playing together in Laval.
That s cute how you assume Engstrom Mailloux Hutson will be superior to Barron whereas he has been playing in the NHL in D+3 and D+4 and is more polished than Mailloux at the same age. I follow SHL and Engstrom is good but nothing exceptional. He could become a top 4 but right now I don t see it.
 

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I will get flack for this but i would shop Guhle for a top line forward.

Hutson has too much upside. Reinbacher is a righty and Struble is the perfect stable 3D.

Guhle has top pair potential AINEC , it's not a knock against him but i simply prefer Hutson upside for our 1D role. (it remains to be seen if he reaches it.)

I think trading one of Guhle or Hutson (or Reinbacher) is our best bet at acquiring high-impact offensive player.
 

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I feel like most GMs don't want to move because of all these injuries, so I'm not expecting much. There are teams who should have went after a goalie months ago after losing their starter/backup for the season, but they still haven't made a move.

There are more MB-like GMs out there than not, they are all thinking the same thing: either the boat makes it or we blame it on the injuries.
How foolish would Edm look now had they overpaid for a G 6-weeks back instead of going w coaching change?
 
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I will get flack for this but i would shop Guhle for a top line forward.

Hutson has too much upside. Reinbacher is a righty and Struble is the perfect stable 3D.

Guhle has top pair potential AINEC , it's not a knock against him but i simply prefer Hutson upside for our 1D role. (it remains to be seen if he reaches it.)

I think trading one of Guhle or Hutson (or Reinbacher) is our best bet at acquiring high-impact offensive player.

Why would we neuter our group of what could be elite, homegrown top-3 defenceman? Tampa doesn't get their cups without Hedman, Sergachev, and McDonagh. Neither does Chicago without Keith, Seabrook, Hjallmarson, and Oduya. Having two different pairings with elite defenceman on them is a pretty tried and true path to competitive hockey.

None of Struble, Harris, Xhekaj, or Engstrom have shown enough to be considered guys that can lead a second pairing on a cup team. Struble is averaging less than 15mins a night in pretty sheltered deployment and is on track for less than 16pts in a full season. Hutson has never played a game of professional hockey. Neither one of these guys have made Guhle expendable at this point.
 
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Why would we neuter our group of what could be elite, homegrown top-3 defenceman?
Well, i would have no problem keeping Guhle but with the talent we have on D it might be good to sacrifice a bit for prime offense no?
 

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Well, i would have no problem keeping Guhle but with the talent we have on D it might be good to sacrifice a bit for prime offense no?
If down the line one or more of Harris/Struble/Engstrom/Hutson/Xhekaj are in a position to play on a top pairing and we’ve got a surplus of genuinely elite defenceman that can be traded for an elite forward… then yeah, you bet. Otherwise all we’re doing is opening a hole to plug another. Unnecessary risk, Sergachev/McDonagh 2.0.
 

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Hughes usually wants his teams to play meaningful games down the stretch. Helps you with development
I don’t think we’re there yet. We’ve picked up a lot wins and points in overtime, but I can see the games becoming much less meaningful as we approach the trade deadline as I don’t know how substanable that will be as teams start to really tighten up the second half.
 

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What if we
a. accepted the rumoured Xhekaj for a first trade
b. accepted the rumoured Allen for a 6th
c. not made the DeSmith trade
d. moved Primeau for a waiver-exempt goalie (B level prospect)

We'd have $13.7M of cap space and with Monty and Casey splitting the games, would probably be in the playoffs right now, even with Dach out all year.

By end of next season, we would automatically add to our cap space
$4.450M Dvorak
$3.500M Savard
$3.400M Armia
$1.750M Edmundson retention
$2.343M Petry retention
$1.170M bonus overage 2022-23
$18.603M

After paying the raises for Monty, deSmith, Slafkovsky, Guhle and Barron aqnd rtaking inbto account the original cap space plus the $5M or so league increase, we would have about $25M to go get 3 star players. I think our goaltending would be good enough to contend if we have roster talent.

Having blown the Allen vs deSmith decision, we'd in reality have about $28M to get four players including a 1B goalie.
What was that Allen for a 6th rumor?
I don't remember hearing that one.
 

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They are barely in a playoff spot. Skinner will fade. They aren't going anywhere without an improvement there.
The point being Edm has now bought time and leverage position for executing a G trade - as deadline approaches supply will start outpacing demand inevitable leading to prices for G to drop relative to what they were in Nov
 

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The point being Edm has now bought time and leverage position for executing a G trade - as deadline approaches supply will start outpacing demand inevitable leading to prices for G to drop relative to what they were in Nov
Unless there are more injuries like Copley in LA who’s out for the season. Still plenty of teams who desperately need goalie help.
 

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That s cute how you assume Engstrom Mailloux Hutson will be superior to Barron whereas he has been playing in the NHL in D+3 and D+4 and is more polished than Mailloux at the same age. I follow SHL and Engstrom is good but nothing exceptional. He could become a top 4 but right now I don t see it.
Yeah, I'm really really not a huge fan of Barron, because, for 6'2", 202 lbs, he's softer than Hutson at 5'10", 162 lbs!

Beyond being so 'Soff', as Therrien used to say, Barron is like a deer in headlights when defending around his net, not far from as clueless as Dumbchenyuk was in his own zone. He's one of the few Ds on the team that gives me regular anxiety attacks.

His offensive prowess lacks consistency and, even with more of that, it doesn't come close to making up for how we get cornered in our zone when Barron is on the ice, or how opponents have a field day in our Goalie's crease with him defending in our zone.

I'm not big on larger Ds who are invisible when it comes to puck battles. It's more understandable with a smaller Harris, but even then, the diminutive D is not very endearing to me, especially when he brings very little offense.

I'm not sure about Engstrom either, but I know he's a sound defensive D with some physicality, solid positional play and good skating/mobility.

That's all you need to pair up with Hutson who controls the play the he has the puck. Such a D playing with Hutson doesn't need to be spectacular -- just steady, to give Hutson the confidence to do what he does best.

Short of Engstrom, Struble, from the little I've seen in the NHL, can likely be a steadying force alongside Hutson, even on his offside (he can play RD), on a 2nd pairing. Again, he just needs to be steady defensively, because he has the physicality and the speed to protect Hutson, both literally, through fisticuffs, and figuratively, in case of turnovers.

Also, you omit context when quoting me. Mailloux would only be on a 3rd pairing with Xhekaj, after almost two years playing as pairing and developing chemistry in Laval.

I'm not sure that Mailloux is any less reliable than Barron, defensively? He, however, is as good a skater (if not better) than Barron with the puck and much more physical, in all zones, even if he doesn't play like a bull in a china shop.

In a third pairing role, any defensive liabilities Mailloux might have would be less exposed.

I'd actually be okay with Barron in a 3rd pairing role, but, in that role, I'd rather the more imposing and physical player in Mailloux.

Beyond that, Mailloux has missed tons of ice time in the last few years because of legal and health issues. Your comparison doesn't hold water with your D+ statement and, despite your affirmation, Barron is far from a polished D, despite all the time spent playing in the NHL.

I'm pretty confident that the remainder of this year and most of next year of professional hockey in Laval should season Mailloux for a regular role in the NHL on a third pairing with, potentially, PP minutes on a 2nd wave, if Hutson isn't on the ice for the whole 2 minutes as the lone D?

Offense makes many forget other glaring weaknesses and my proposal to continue playing Barron in a 3rd pairing role that would mask his defensive shortcomings until the trade deadline next year is all meant to raise his trade value by then. I would definitely give him PP minutes as well to help pad his offensive production with the same aim of getting a larger return for his services.

I wasn't trying to be cute and your snark suggestion that my post was cute really wasn't.

There's surely projection involved in my suggestions for a stronger D-Corps, but my analysis of a limited overall upside for Barron is valid, IMHO, and my expectations for Hutson'spairing partner, as well as Mailloux in a 3rd pairing role are modest and achievable.

The key will be whether Hutson's game translates to the NHL at a similar level to his game in the NCAA. Even then, I expect some time in the AHL before he plays in the NHL on regular basis.
 

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I will get flack for this but i would shop Guhle for a top line forward.

Hutson has too much upside. Reinbacher is a righty and Struble is the perfect stable 3D.

Guhle has top pair potential AINEC , it's not a knock against him but i simply prefer Hutson upside for our 1D role. (it remains to be seen if he reaches it.)

I think trading one of Guhle or Hutson (or Reinbacher) is our best bet at acquiring high-impact offensive player.
Agreed with this
 
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