HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[26Mats]

Keep going.. next years first aswell, and maybe they SJ would consider.

1. Still a very low probability SJ pick 1st.
2. Yes, I think maybe is the right word. But I still think whoever is picking 1st won't trade the pick.

 

[Scriptor]

Keep going.. next years first aswell, and maybe they SJ would consider.

If I had the 5th OA pick, this trade would be stupid. There will be enough quality forwards available through 5-8 to pass on giving up the farm for Celebrini.

Why be a weenie to pick Celebrini?

Cayden Lindstrom could help form our ownLegion of Doom on a line of:

Slafkovsky - Lindstrom - Dach

A return of an extra 1st rounder for Monahan could also yield Iginla's son a little later on in the 1st round.

Two first round picks (maybe three, with one coming back for Matheson at next year's trade deadline), two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in 2025, along with Newhook, could also fertile grounds for adding another impact right wing to go with Caufield and Suzuki.

A lineup featuring the following top-9 by 2027-2028 could be inspiring:

Slafkovsky - Lindstrom - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Impact RW via trade or UFA
Iginla - Beck - Roy

By then, a back end of:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Engstrom
A. Xhekaj - Mailloux

could help make the Habs a serious contender.

 

[HuGort]

Hughes trade one of our young left defense for equally young top 6 forward. Either this deadline or over the summer. Wifi getting close and Hutson likely turn Pro this spring.

Habs need more goals from up front

 

[Heffyhoof]

If I had the 5th OA pick, this trade would be stupid. There will be enough quality forwards available through 5-8 to pass on giving up the farm for Celebrini.

Why be a weenie to pick Celebrini?

Cayden Lindstrom could help form our ownLegion of Doom on a line of:

Slafkovsky - Lindstrom - Dach

A return of an extra 1st rounder for Monahan could also yield Iginla's son a little later on in the 1st round.

Two first round picks (maybe three, with one coming back for Matheson at next year's trade deadline), two 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in 2025, along with Newhook, could also fertile grounds for adding another impact right wing to go with Caufield and Suzuki.

A lineup featuring the following top-9 by 2027-2028 could be inspiring:

Slafkovsky - Lindstrom - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Impact RW via trade or UFA
Iginla - Beck - Roy

By then, a back end of:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Engstrom
A. Xhekaj - Mailloux

could help make the Habs a serious contender.

You're going a little too far into the future for me, but I agree with your point of needing to trade for a serious impact forward on top of our drafting. Take a high pick this year, but start putting assets on the line to bring in talent. Next year is likely the year to start pushing for the playoffs considering how the team is performing despite injuries to the top-6.

 

[HuGort]

You're going a little too far into the future for me, but I agree with your point of needing to trade for a serious impact forward on top of our drafting. Take a high pick this year, but start putting assets on the line to bring in talent. Next year is likely the year to start pushing for the playoffs considering how the team is performing despite injuries to the top-6.

I like to keep the veterans D to aid in development of youth D. Savard can trade in a year when Reinbacher and Mailloux likely here. Still get same as we get now

Matheson trade deadline '26? When Hutson and Wifi more developed. Still get same then as now. He's only 29.

 

[Heffyhoof]

I like to keep the veterans D to aid in development of youth D. Savard can trade in a year when Reinbacher and Mailloux likely here. Still get same as we get now

Matheson trade deadline '26? When Hutson and Wifi more developed. Still get same then as now. He's only 29.

Yeah, Montreal's current prospect strength is D, so trading the only vets we have is silly unless we replace them. Matheson is overwhelmed because he's not a #1 D, imagine forcing Ghule to play those minutes instead while he's supposed to develop.

 

[The Great Weal]

Habs are in a weird position. Their worthwhile vets are Matheson and Savard but they are also the only vets on the defense. We got a ton of veteran forwards upfront but none of them are really worth much. We also have a ton of dmen knocking on the door.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Yeah, Montreal's current prospect strength is D, so trading the only vets we have is silly unless we replace them. Matheson is overwhelmed because he's not a #1 D, imagine forcing Ghule to play those minutes instead while he's supposed to develop.

We can trade guys like Savard and sign replacements in UFA. For me it’s unacceptable not to be selling stopgaps unless we’re fighting for a playoff position. I know we traded a couple of firsts last year for Newhook, but I think it’s pretty unacceptable to have only 2 picks in the first 3 rounds of a draft during a rebuild.

 

[Miller Time]

Yeah, Montreal's current prospect strength is D, so trading the only vets we have is silly unless we replace them. Matheson is overwhelmed because he's not a #1 D, imagine forcing Ghule to play those minutes instead while he's supposed to develop.

Yup
And unlike in video game land, it's not just a matter of randomly adding some 30 yr old player to replace them.

The culture & leadership fit is important and will factor heavily into fielding offers for either.

I bet it's unlikely the Habs will get a big enough offer this year for them to pull the trigger, but you never know... Some GM may get desperate enough to pay a price they can't refuse

 

[nhlfan9191]

Yup
And unlike in video game land, it's not just a matter of randomly adding some 30 yr old player to replace them.

The culture & leadership fit is important and will factor heavily into fielding offers for either.

I bet it's unlikely the Habs will get a big enough offer this year for them to pull the trigger, but you never know... Some GM may get desperate enough to pay a price they can't refuse

Selling off vets doesn’t put anyone in “video game land.” It happens with many teams every single year. None of the vets on this team are irreplaceable. The only one who will likely be off limits is Matheson because of the minutes he can log.

 

[Miller Time]

Selling off vets doesn’t put anyone in “video game land.” It happens with many teams every single year. None of the vets on this team are irreplaceable. The only one who will likely be off limits is Matheson because of the minutes he can log.

Take your strawman elsewhere.

Human beings and group dynamics are real, names on a video game screen are not. If you can't grasp the context that is your issue.

no one is "off limits", by the way.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Take your strawman elsewhere.

Human beings and group dynamics are real, names on a video game screen are not. If you can't grasp the context that is your issue.

no one is "off limits", by the way.

Until more of our D is ready, Matheson will not be traded. And I’m well aware group dynamics exist. That doesn’t mean you don’t capitalize on getting assets for replacement level players which is what our team is almost entirely made up of outside of the kids.

 

[Miller Time]

Until more of our D is ready, Matheson will not be traded. And I’m well aware group dynamics exist. That doesn’t mean you don’t capitalize on getting assets for replacement level players which is what our team is almost entirely made up of outside of the kids.

again, not a video game. You don't just replace the level of players when managing groups/building teams. Appears to be a gap btw awareness & understanding.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Habs are in a weird position. Their worthwhile vets are Matheson and Savard but they are also the only vets on the defense. We got a ton of veteran forwards upfront but none of them are really worth much. We also have a ton of dmen knocking on the door.

What if we
a. accepted the rumoured Xhekaj for a first trade
b. accepted the rumoured Allen for a 6th
c. not made the DeSmith trade
d. moved Primeau for a waiver-exempt goalie (B level prospect)

We'd have $13.7M of cap space and with Monty and Casey splitting the games, would probably be in the playoffs right now, even with Dach out all year.

By end of next season, we would automatically add to our cap space
$4.450M Dvorak
$3.500M Savard
$3.400M Armia
$1.750M Edmundson retention
$2.343M Petry retention
$1.170M bonus overage 2022-23
$18.603M

After paying the raises for Monty, deSmith, Slafkovsky, Guhle and Barron aqnd rtaking inbto account the original cap space plus the $5M or so league increase, we would have about $25M to go get 3 star players. I think our goaltending would be good enough to contend if we have roster talent.

Having blown the Allen vs deSmith decision, we'd in reality have about $28M to get four players including a 1B goalie.

 

[Sterling Archer]

According to Friedman, apparently Ottawa willing to trade youth for vet leadership and experience. Feel like Habs may have what they need in all depts. goal, D and up front. Sens have nice prospect pool and solid young players.

 

[Pat Riot]

What if we
a. accepted the rumoured Xhekaj for a first trade
b. accepted the rumoured Allen for a 6th
c. not made the DeSmith trade
d. moved Primeau for a waiver-exempt goalie (B level prospect)

We'd have $13.7M of cap space and with Monty and Casey splitting the games, would probably be in the playoffs right now, even with Dach out all year.

By end of next season, we would automatically add to our cap space
$4.450M Dvorak
$3.500M Savard
$3.400M Armia
$1.750M Edmundson retention
$2.343M Petry retention
$1.170M bonus overage 2022-23
$18.603M

After paying the raises for Monty, deSmith, Slafkovsky, Guhle and Barron aqnd rtaking inbto account the original cap space plus the $5M or so league increase, we would have about $25M to go get 3 star players. I think our goaltending would be good enough to contend if we have roster talent.

Having blown the Allen vs deSmith decision, we'd in reality have about $28M to get four players including a 1B goalie.

We dont want to make the playoff this season with that team. Rebuild its not finish. Tank another year , get another top 5 pick. Let the bad contracts expires than sign some good FA. Unless you want another decades of the BS once you make the playoff anything can happen. This team is not ready to contend

 

[DAChampion]

What if we
a. accepted the rumoured Xhekaj for a first trade
b. accepted the rumoured Allen for a 6th
c. not made the DeSmith trade
d. moved Primeau for a waiver-exempt goalie (B level prospect)

We'd have $13.7M of cap space and with Monty and Casey splitting the games, would probably be in the playoffs right now, even with Dach out all year.

By end of next season, we would automatically add to our cap space
$4.450M Dvorak
$3.500M Savard
$3.400M Armia
$1.750M Edmundson retention
$2.343M Petry retention
$1.170M bonus overage 2022-23
$18.603M

After paying the raises for Monty, deSmith, Slafkovsky, Guhle and Barron aqnd rtaking inbto account the original cap space plus the $5M or so league increase, we would have about $25M to go get 3 star players. I think our goaltending would be good enough to contend if we have roster talent.

Having blown the Allen vs deSmith decision, we'd in reality have about $28M to get four players including a 1B goalie.

What if every single decision a person ever made turned out to be the correct one when evaluated twelve months later?

 

[Number 57]

With Savard and Kovacevic traded, who replaces them on the right side?
All they have are LDs, it's not like Mailloux is ready yet.

Barron and Lindstrom are right handed and Harris has played plenty of RD in his career as well. Struble, Guhle or Xhekaj could also slot in on the right if needed, they've done it in this past.

 

[waitin425]

There is the right amount of teams out there in injury trouble (NJ) or requiring an upgrade in goal (Edm) or playing like pure garbage when not expected too (Ott) for this to be an active TDL.

Luckily for us, we have assets across the lineup, that we will be able to sell off. The only question for us, is getting the return we need.

Monahan to Ottawa?

Savard to Jersey?

Allen to Edmonton?

I know it's a long shot.....but man, let's shop powerdonkey and Gally to playoff teams.

 

[Pat Riot]

Barron and Lindstrom are right handed and Harris has played plenty of RD in his career as well. Struble, Guhle or Xhekaj could also slot in on the right if needed, they've done it in this past.

NHL is the toughest hockey league in the world. Just because they play on the off side in the junior I dont think it would be wise to project to play a LD on his wrong side on the long term.

 

[Pat Riot]

There is the right amount of teams out there in injury trouble (NJ) or requiring an upgrade in goal (Edm) or playing like pure garbage when not expected too (Ott) for this to be an active TDL.

Luckily for us, we have assets across the lineup, that we will be able to sell off. The only question for us, is getting the return we need.

Monahan to Ottawa?

Savard to Jersey?

Allen to Edmonton?

I know it's a long shot.....but man, let's shop powerdonkey and Gally to playoff teams.

Ottawa is not making the playoff. Cant see why the would like to spend asset to acquire a player that will be FA at the end of the season.

 

[26Mats]

Barron and Lindstrom are right handed and Harris has played plenty of RD in his career as well. Struble, Guhle or Xhekaj could also slot in on the right if needed, they've done it in this past.

I'd be fine with trading Savard, Kovacevic, and Lindstrom.

Roll with:
Matheson - Struble
Guhle - Barron
Harris - Xhekaj
in case of injury, call up Norlinder or Trudeau. Let Mailloux get a full year in Laval. Or maybe give him a taste of the NHL.

There is the right amount of teams out there in injury trouble (NJ) or requiring an upgrade in goal (Edm) or playing like pure garbage when not expected too (Ott) for this to be an active TDL.

Luckily for us, we have assets across the lineup, that we will be able to sell off. The only question for us, is getting the return we need.

Monahan to Ottawa?

Savard to Jersey?

Allen to Edmonton?

I know it's a long shot.....but man, let's shop powerdonkey and Gally to playoff teams.

only way we could move Anderson or Gallagher is if we retain 50%. And even then, I would think contenders wouldn't want Gally, though they would want Andy at that cap hit.

 

[26Mats]

Ottawa is not making the playoff. Cant see why the would like to spend asset to acquire a player that will be FA at the end of the season.

I could see Colorado, among many teams, being interested in Monahan.

 

[Pat Riot]

I could see Colorado, among many teams, being interested in Monahan.

Yeah Colorado will be looking for a C at the deadline. We could have a Lekhonen-Barron prise 2

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yup
And unlike in video game land, it's not just a matter of randomly adding some 30 yr old player to replace them.

The culture & leadership fit is important and will factor heavily into fielding offers for either.

That wouldn't have mattered to MB. Not sure he could even grasp the concept. And to may other GM's out there. I am sure it does to HuGo which is probably why they go after players like Newhook that Hughes knows. I expect if an offer went overboard they wouldn't be able to pass it up but they wouldn't likely move both Matheson and Savard though.