HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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morhilane

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There is the right amount of teams out there in injury trouble (NJ) or requiring an upgrade in goal (Edm) or playing like pure garbage when not expected too (Ott) for this to be an active TDL.
I feel like most GMs don't want to move because of all these injuries, so I'm not expecting much. There are teams who should have went after a goalie months ago after losing their starter/backup for the season, but they still haven't made a move.

There are more MB-like GMs out there than not, they are all thinking the same thing: either the boat makes it or we blame it on the injuries.
 
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You don't need to be right handed to play right D
Sure, but if that was the plan, who? it's not like they sent Xhekaj to laval to play on the right side.
I just don't see a scenario where they trade away Savard AND Kovacevic. I don't think Savard is going anywhere this season, he might even be a more valuable asset at the TDL next year since his contract will be expiring.
 

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Yeah, Montreal's current prospect strength is D, so trading the only vets we have is silly unless we replace them. Matheson is overwhelmed because he's not a #1 D, imagine forcing Ghule to play those minutes instead while he's supposed to develop.
Guhle handled those minutes fine last year while Matheson was injured, BTW, but, anyhow, Matheson's value might be at it's highest at next year,s trade deadline,especially if Hughes holds back salary.

A productive, veteran, PMD who can play on a 2nd pair and not be overwhelmed, at only 2.4375M, for a playoff run and another season would be extremely valuable. More valuable than as a pure rental 2026, IMO.

By the trade deadline next season, Guhle will have over 2 seasons of NHL experience and he's already a steadying influence, most nights, on D. Playing alongside Reinbacher, instead of who-knows-what-will-happen Barron should not be a concern for the head coach.

Savard should really be playing on a 3rd pairing already as he's also clearly overwhelmed by his current first pairing assignation alongside Matheson, even if his role is just to hang back as Matheson takes off with the puck.

Both Xhekaj and Mailloux could benefit from starting next season in Laval as a pairing there.

I'm not saying that Struble is better than either, or that he has a better ceiling, but he's a safer, more reliable defensive option and can be used to help build Barron's trade value until next year's trade deadline when he and Savard can both be placed on the trading block.

Hutson can also start the year in Laval, after eliminating any chances of returning in the NCAA once he joins Montreal at the end of this season to burn a year off of his ELC.

Engstrom should also turn pro next year and would likely be the pairing partner for Hutson in Laval.

Once Matheson and Savard are moved, the pairing of Xhekaj - Mailloux can be brought up from Laval to round out the season as a pairing in the NHL. Hutson can also join the NHL roster alongside Struble who will play the stay-at-home role to protect Hutson.

Struble plays a physical brand of hockey and can fight anyone who tries to manhandle the man child, Hutson. Struble can also play RD (as a lefty) -- he has in the past. He also has the skating and IQ to keep up with any offense generated by Hutson, but, especially, to help recover from any turnovers that Hutson might have given up.

Starting D-Corps for 2024-2025:

Matheson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Savard
Struble - Barron
Harris

Post deadline D-Corps once Hughes has traded Matheson for a haul, Barron for a project/prospect and Savard for a 2nd rounder:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Struble
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris

As with Mailloux, Engstrom would benefit from another year in Laval, in this case, for more experience on North American ice, but could be called mid-season to better complement Hutson if the experience with Struble doesn't pan out.

Possible 7-man D-Corps in 2025-2026:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble

Yes, the D would be young, but Reinbacher's ability to close the gap and Guhle's acquired NHL experience should enable them to hold their own, defensively, in the NHL. Reinbacher, initially playing more of a shutdown role as he gets used to the NHL, should enable Guhle to continue developng his offensive game there.

Hutson would be protected by Struble after two thirds of a year in Laval and Xhekaj - Mailloux, once the trade deadline has passed, would benefit from the chemistry developed playing together in Laval.
 
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Benstheman

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Hughes trade one of our young left defense for equally young top 6 forward. Either this deadline or over the summer. Wifi getting close and Hutson likely turn Pro this spring.

Habs need more goals from up front
I agree. Though i think Hutson plays at least one full season in the AHL.
 

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With Nylander resigning 11.5x8 in Toronto.

And the emergence of Struble and coming up of Hutson.

Guhle VS Marner.

Who say no?
 
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Pat Riot

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Guhle handled those minutes fine last year while Matheson was injured, BTW, but, anyhow, Matheson's value might be at it's highest at next year,s trade deadline,especially if Hughes holds back salary.

A productive, veteran, PMD who can play on a 2nd pair and not be overwhelmed, at only 2.4375M, for a playoff run and another season would be extremely valuable. More valuable than as a pure rental 2026, IMO.

By the trade deadline next season, Guhle will have over 2 seasons of NHL experience and he's already a steadying influence, most nights, on D. Playing alongside Reinbacher, instead of who-knows-what-will-happen Barron should not be a concern for the head coach.

Savard should really be playing on a 3rd pairing already as he's also clearly overwhelmed by his current first pairing assignation alongside Matheson, even if his role is just to hang back as Matheson takes off with the puck.

Both Xhekaj and Mailloux could benefit from starting next season in Laval as a pairing there.

I'm not saying that Struble is better than either, or that he has a better ceiling, but he's a safer, more reliable defensive option and can be used to help build Barron's trade value until next year's trade deadline when he and Savard can both be placed on the trading block.

Hutson can also start the year in Laval, after eliminating any chances of returning in the NCAA once he joins Montreal at the end of this season to burn a year off of his ELC.

Engstrom should also turn pro next year and would likely be the pairing partner for Hutson in Laval.

Once Matheson and Savard are moved, the pairing of Xhekaj - Mailloux can be brought up from Laval to round out the season as a pairing in the NHL. Hutson can also join the NHL roster alongside Struble who will play the stay-at-home role to protect Hutson.

Struble plays a physical brand of hockey and can fight anyone who tries to manhandle the man child, Hutson. Struble can also play RD (as a lefty) -- he has in the past. He also has the skating and IQ to keep up with any offense generated by Hutson, but, especially, to help recover from any turnovers that Hutson might have given up.

Starting D-Corps for 2024-2025:

Matheson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Savard
Struble - Barron
Harris

Post deadline D-Corps once Hughes has traded Matheson for a haul, Barron for a project/prospect and Savard for a 2nd rounder:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Struble
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris

As with Mailloux, Engstrom would benefit from another year in Laval, in this case, for more experience on North American ice, but could be called mid-season to better complement Hutson if the experience with Struble doesn't pan out.

Possible 7-man D-Corps in 2025-2026:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson- Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble

Yes, the D would be young, but Reinbacher's ability to close the gap and Guhle's acquired NHL experience should enable them to hold their own, defensively, in the NHL. Reinbacher, initially playing more of a shutdown role as he gets used to the NHL, should enable Guhle to continue developng his offensive game there.

Hutson would be protected by Struble after two thirds of a year in Laval and Xhekaj - Mailloux, once the trade deadline has passed, would benefit from the chemistry developed playing together in Laval.
You put Reinbacher on the first D pairing with little to no experience on NA ice. Seems a very good idea
 

Scriptor

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Until more of our D is ready, Matheson will not be traded. And I’m well aware group dynamics exist. That doesn’t mean you don’t capitalize on getting assets for replacement level players which is what our team is almost entirely made up of outside of the kids.
You likely can't replace Matheson all that easily on the UFA market this offseason. Savard's skill set can be more easily replaced, for sure, but his willingness to sacrifice himself for his home team growing up and the way the youngsters look up to him likely can't.

In either case, I don't think any of this is an issue because I believe both players will have a greater value, oran easier time getting traded either in the offseason, or at next year's trade deadline.

Savard's value is greater as a pure rental, given his age, because he'd healthy at the deadline next year if traded and, with Montreal holding back salary, his impact on the Cap would be marginal.

Matheson's low Cap hit makes him a potential offseason hockey trade target for a team looking for a puck-moving, 2nd pairing D that can eat up minutes. Then again, he could be worth more at the deadline next year, if Hughes is willing to hold back half his cap hit, especially if a contender loses one of their top-4 Ds to injury!

Any argument for trading either player at this deadline becomes mere speculation, IMO, as I seriously doubt that we would get any mind-blowing offer from anyone.

Players like Matheson also usually bring a better return in the offseason than at the deadline.
 

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With Nylander resigning 11.5x8 in Toronto.

And the emergence of Struble and coming up of Hutson.

Guhle VS Marner.

Who say no?

If you ask an AI what cultural appropriation of PK Subban would look like, it would output Mitch Marner.

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Scriptor

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With Nylander resigning 11.5x8 in Toronto.

And the emergence of Struble and coming up of Hutson.

Guhle VS Marner.

Who say no?
ME

Nylander at 11.5M is too expensive in the first place. There are younger and cheaper options to target, IMO, if we dangle Guhle. Beyond that, TOR can spare Nylander and I wouldn't want be solving their defensive woes by handing Guhle over.
 

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Nylander at 11.5M is too expensive in the first place. There are younger and cheaper options to target, IMO, if we dangle Guhle. Beyond that, TOR can spare Nylander and I wouldn't want be solving their defensive woes by handing Guhle over.

Nylander @ 11.5?

woof. they have zero depth, someone needs to be traded, they can't win with how they're built. great top 6 but no goalie and no depth at d. brutal player management, unless they plan on moving marner or tavares for a top flighted d man. I just find nylander and marner soft, and not worth the coin of an ovy on the wing. I don't get it.
 

Scriptor

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You put Reinbacher on the first D pairing with little to no experience on NA ice. Seems a very good idea
Without any real concerns, even, actually.

Reinbacher's defensive game is NHL-ready, IMO, and his first season would be used adjusting to North American ice and the pace of the NHL. Matheson, iniitially would help him overcome the challenges that might arise by being the puck-moving option on the first pairing and Reinbacher's offensive game could develop in subsequent years with a better grasp of the NHL.

Savard, playing the stay-at-home role with Guhle would free up the younger D in order to help develop his offensive game further. Much better than being saddled with Barron again. Struble can handle those minutes alongside Barron on a third pairing instead, with the opposition faced having less of a chance of blatantly exposing the RHD's defensive weaknesses.

By the trade deadline, Reinbacher should have grasped the differences and angle changes between European and North American ice and would have an even more defensively sound partner in Guhle, even if he has less experience than Matheson.

Keep in mind that Montreal is not poised to compete for a Cup -- and maybe not even the playoffs -- next season, anyhow, so it would not be an issue, IMO. I don't think that playing Savard another year in a first pairing role that is not his would help anyone anyhow.
 

DAChampion

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I'd want the Habs' to acquire Nylander at 11.5.

But as a UFA, for free, an not by giving up expensive trade assets.
 

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Nylander @ 11.5?

woof. they have zero depth, someone needs to be traded, they can't win with how they're built. great top 6 but no goalie and no depth at d. brutal player management, unless they plan on moving marner or tavares for a top flighted d man. I just find nylander and marner soft, and not worth the coin of an ovy on the wing. I don't get it.
We had deSmith, and preferred Allen. SMH.
 

Pat Riot

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Without any real concerns, even, actually.

Reinbacher's defensive game is NHL-ready, IMO, and his first season would be used adjusting to North American ice and the pace of the NHL. Matheson, iniitially would help him overcome the challenges that might arise by being the puck-moving option on the first pairing and Reinbacher's offensive game could develop in subsequent years with a better grasp of the NHL.

Savard, playing the stay-at-home role with Guhle would free up the younger D in order to help develop his offensive game further. Much better than being saddled with Barron again. Struble can handle those minutes alongside Barron on a third pairing instead, with the opposition faced having less of a chance of blatantly exposing the RHD's defensive weaknesses.

By the trade deadline, Reinbacher should have grasped the differences and angle changes between European and North American ice and would have an even more defensively sound partner in Guhle, even if he has less experience than Matheson.

Keep in mind that Montreal is not poised to compete for a Cup -- and maybe not even the playoffs -- next season, anyhow, so it would not be an issue, IMO. I don't think that playing Savard another year in a first pairing role that is not his would help anyone anyhow.

One year in the AHL should be mandatory for all our rookie player. Except for exceptional player which we dont have in our team pool prospects
 

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One year in the AHL should be mandatory for all our rookie player. Except for exceptional player which we dont have in our team pool prospects
I agree with this. Even Lane Hutson who falls under exceptional but needs a year to build core strength and other physical improvements.
 

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If we're trying to trade for a superstar (which I don't believe we are) I'd think we'd be looking at Kaprisov
 

Pat Riot

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I agree with this. Even Lane Hutson who falls under exceptional but needs a year to build core strength and other physical improvements.
Exceptional player doesnt get draft in second round. They get pick top 3. One year for Hutson in the AHL would do him some good
 

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Exceptional player doesnt get draft in second round. They get pick top 3. One year for Hutson in the AHL would do him some good
And when Subban was drafted in the 2nd round, did you feel the same way? How about Markov in the 7th round?
 
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