HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Runner77]

 

[morhilane]

There was a lots of theory after the Oilers sent Campbell down to the AHL. All speculations. Friedman really has nothing to say lately...

But also, the "people in the league" are like HFBoards posters!

 

[26Mats]

So apparently, Dreger on TSN690 this morning said Habs have interest in Xavier Bourgeault of the Oilers, their 2021 1st round pick (22nd OA).

What would go the other way?

Primeau? Allen 50% retained? Montembault?

A D prospect like Engstrom, Bogdan, Trudeau, or Struble?

Harris, Kovacevic, or Savard 50% retained?

No way we're letting go of CGY's 1st, it's already tracking like a lottery pick. And if we ever dangle it, it won't for a horrible contract.

Is the Calgary 1st tracking as a lottery pick?

Because it's tracking to be Florida's 1st so far as I can tell.

They won't use their last retained spot to get Bourgault. Boutgault and a 1st for Allen and something else maybe.

They'll use their last retention spot to get Bourgault or a 1st. What better would we hope to get with that retention spot?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

What would go the other way?

Primeau? Allen 50% retained? Montembault?

A D prospect like Engstrom, Bogdan, Trudeau, or Struble?

Harris, Kovacevic, or Savard 50% retained?

Is the Calgary 1st tracking as a lottery pick?

Because it's tracking to be Florida's 1st so far as I can tell.


They'll use their last retention spot to get Bourgault or a 1st. What better would we hope to get with that retention spot?

Bourgault and Edmonton's 1st are not equal. Edmonton's 1st could be a very high pick. I am sure they would do that. Bourgault is not enough. Bourgeault and a 2nd maybe. They may be able to use their cap space at the deadline for a 1st+.

 

[26Mats]

Bourgault and Edmonton's 1st are not equal. Edmonton's 1st could be a very high pick. I am sure they would do that. Bourgault is not enough. Bourgeault and a 2nd maybe. They may be able to use their cap space at the deadline for a 1st+.

How are they going to use a retention spot for a 1st at the deadline?

Edmonton is not trading their 1st unprotected.

 

[26Mats]

I think we have to accept that Allen, Montembault, Savard, Anderson, Dvo, and Pearson aren't good assets right now. That may change in the 40 or so games that will be played by TDL. But right now, they're not valuable assets on the trade market.

 

[tazsub3]

If we make any deal with the Leafs to save their window from closing, I'm asking for Easton Cowan. As I was following Mailloux play last year, I had an opportunity to watch Cowan repeatedly. In my opinion, with his great skating ability and creativity, this kid projects to be a strong NHLer. Cowan should be a lock for Team Canada at the upcoming WJC. The Leafs stole him at 28th OV at the 2023 draft.

That makes more sense then a pick close to 30

 

[jrom]

Bourgault and Edmonton's 1st are not equal. Edmonton's 1st could be a very high pick. I am sure they would do that. Bourgault is not enough. Bourgeault and a 2nd maybe. They may be able to use their cap space at the deadline for a 1st+.

It just feels like we’re trying to convince ourselves that these Oilers assets are desirable. Why do we want another 6’ winger (weighing less than RHP) ?

 

[DAChampion]

It just feels like we’re trying to convince ourselves that these Oilers assets are desirable. Why do we want another 6’ winger (weighing less than RHP) ?

It's sad, but I think that draft picks are the only tradeable assets I'd want Hughes to acquire out if Edmonton.

 

[Garry Valk]

Why would they care about losing Primeau to waivers if they had what they deemed to be a true #1 in Monty? And that’s assuming Primeau even gets claimed at the beginning of the season, I’m not sure that he would have been.

Because he’s an asset they’ve put years into.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

How are they going to use a retention spot for a 1st at the deadline?

Edmonton is not trading their 1st unprotected.

Even if the 1st is protected then it moves to an unprotected 2025 1st which might also be a high draft pick and even if it isn't it's supposed to be a deep draft.
Your right about the retention spot. Other than retaining on Anderson there probably isn't much use for it at the deadline unless they want to reduce Monahan's hit to next to nothing.

It's sad, but I think that draft picks are the only tradeable assets I'd want Hughes to acquire out if Edmonton.

I would be interested in Holloway or Bourgault but only at B prospect value.

 

[jrom]

It's sad, but I think that draft picks are the only tradeable assets I'd want Hughes to acquire out if Edmonton.

Draft picks and maybe someone like Lavoie that can be a good C at the AHL level.

 

[DAChampion]

Draft picks and maybe someone like Lavoie that can be a good C at the AHL level.

Are you trying to dunk on them?

 

[26Mats]

Even if the 1st is protected then it moves to an unprotected 2025 1st which might also be a high draft pick and even if it isn't it's supposed to be a deep draft.
Your right about the retention spot. Other than retaining on Anderson there probably isn't much use for it at the deadline unless they want to reduce Monahan's hit to next to nothing.


I would be interested in Holloway or Bourgault but only at B prospect value.

Yeah, I'm also thinking, say we have no retention spots left come TDL, but a team is offerening a 1st for a player we're not going to re-sign, but needs 50% retained. Then, we could get a 3rd party team to take a 5th to retain 50%, like we did with Bonino. So, that is why if we have a good prospect or pick on the table to retain right now, I do the trade and plan to get a 3rd party team involved at the deadline if other good trades present themselves...

I don't think Edmonton even gives unprotected in 2025. But I could be wrong. Anyways I don't think they give up a 1st for any of our vets or bad prospects, except Monahan. And yeah, I'd only consider trading Monahan if there was a 2024 protected 1st which slides to a 2025 unprotected 1st. But even that is risky for us, because the Oilers could take off at any moment and then all we get is a late 1st for Monahan.

 

[Destopcorner]

Campbell
Foegele

Gallagher
Allen

EDM a real goalie while ditching Campbell and Gally bring a veteran presence in the room/Foegele spot while salary balances without any retention.

MTL solves the menage à trois situation, bury him in the AHL and gets Gally contract out of the way for some kid next 4 years.

Add some picks/prospects to even out and its a clear cut win-win imho

 

[eklund the clown]

Campbell
Foegele

Gallagher
Allen

EDM a real goalie while ditching Campbell and Gally bring a veteran presence in the room/Foegele spot while salary balances without any retention.

MTL solves the menage à trois situation, bury him in the AHL and gets Gally contract out of the way for some kid next 4 years.

Add some picks/prospects to even out and its a clear cut win-win imho

And What about Campbell's contract?At least Gallagher can still play a bit and his contract is nowhere near the silly Campbell one..

 

[Sterling Archer]

Is it just me or is anyone skeptical that Oilers would want any of our 3 backup goalies to add to their 3 backup goalies?

If I’m Oilers I’m trying to get a goalie who can win a cup, not be another backup.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Is it just me or is anyone skeptics that Oilers would want any of our 3 backup goalies to add to their 3 backup goalies?

If I’m Oilers I’m trying to get a goalie who can win a cup, not be another backup.

There aren't any good goalies available. Maybe Boston and Nashville have 2. And they should want the equivalent of 2 1sts for one. Holland is probably too gutless to do that. More likely to go for a lesser goalie like Allen + a B prospect for a 1st.

 

[malton]

I think we have to accept that Allen, Montembault, Savard, Anderson, Dvo, and Pearson aren't good assets right now. That may change in the 40 or so games that will be played by TDL. But right now, they're not valuable assets on the trade market.

Pearson will get you something.

Savard retained is still a very attractive asset to many teams at the deadline.

Allen and Monty will get you what a goalie gets you, not much.

Dvo and Anderson shouldn't have any value, but you hope that the big brain hockey guys value their intangibles enough to make a foolish offer. I wouldn't expect them to move until they're on the last year of their deals though.

Is it just me or is anyone skeptics that Oilers would want any of our 3 backup goalies to add to their 3 backup goalies?

If I’m Oilers I’m trying to get a goalie who can win a cup, not be another backup.

They should be pushing for Saros.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Saros should cost 2 1sts and Hollway.

 

[26Mats]

Pearson will get you something.

Savard retained is still a very attractive asset to many teams at the deadline.

Allen and Monty will get you what a goalie gets you, not much.

Dvo and Anderson shouldn't have any value, but you hope that the big brain hockey guys value their intangibles enough to make a foolish offer. I wouldn't expect them to move until they're on the last year of their deals though.


They should be pushing for Saros.

I agree that Pearson will get us something. I just don't know how much. I'm expecting a 5th, and will be really happy with a 3rd.

What annoys me is that he's getting all this playing time with Monahan when a young player like Slaf, RHP, Newhook, or Ylonen could be benefitting from playing with him.

 

[morhilane]

Is it just me or is anyone skeptics that Oilers would want any of our 3 backup goalies to add to their 3 backup goalies?

If I’m Oilers I’m trying to get a goalie who can win a cup, not be another backup.

There are none available, and even less that can fit on the Oilers's cap space without sending Campbell the other way which is a very big dissuading factor for any team to trade with the Oilers.

Allen/Monty are in the top 10 of the goaltending tandems this season and Primeau is already better than a few teams backups (and could get better if he can get games to develop further). That's how bad the goaltending scene is in the NHL now.

 

[Destopcorner]

And What about Campbell's contract?At least Gallagher can still play a bit and his contract is nowhere near the silly Campbell one..

We are already stuck with Gally 6.5m x4 years, I exchange that any day of the week for Campbell 5millonsx4 buried in the minors. Foegele is just as effective until trade deadline and our youngsters will need rosters spot at some point.

2 birds one stone really.

Add someone like Harris/Kovac and I believe we could get a 2024 protected first on top of it.

 

[Sorinth]

Is it just me or is anyone skeptics that Oilers would want any of our 3 backup goalies to add to their 3 backup goalies?

If I’m Oilers I’m trying to get a goalie who can win a cup, not be another backup.

Allen isn't a bad option for them but I think there might be better if they are willing to give up more. For example a Markstrom for Campbell + a 1st could make sense for both Edmonton and Calgary. Oilers get a legit NHL starter, and Calgary gets a jump on their rebuild. Markstrom has a full NMC so who knows if he'd willing to go, but you'd assume yes since Calgary is likely tanking for the next few years. Could be a win a win.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Allen isn't a bad option for them but I think there might be better if they are willing to give up more. For example a Markstrom for Campbell + a 1st could make sense for both Edmonton and Calgary. Oilers get a legit NHL starter, and Calgary gets a jump on their rebuild. Markstrom has a full NMC so who knows if he'd willing to go, but you'd assume yes since Calgary is likely tanking for the next few years. Could be a win a win.

Not sure Markstrom is a legit starter. Fades away when the stakes are high.