HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Boss Man Hughes]

You cannot have possibly assumed we were discussing a rental Pettersson this whole time.

A toy? Addressing a decades long need is buying a toy?

HuGo would still have to sign Petterson. No telling what he will want. You win by having Bergeron's who won't try to break the bank. There is no need for a centre at the moment. Suzuki, Dach, Monahan, Newhook all are capable of being scoring line centres.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

I have been wondering, what's the true value of Hoffman? He's a one trick poney. Slow, weak defensively, but can put up 40-ish points with PP time. Questionnable reputation, though did not seem like a cancer on the habs. He's just there.

What you see is what you get, the whole league knows him well. Could he return a 5th in a trade? Would he even be picked for free on waiver? I would gladly pay the 5th we acquired in the Bonino salary retention trade to see him go and give his PP time to others.

I think trying to pump up his value by trade deadline is possible, but not to a very high level. For what, a lottery ticket like Gurianov? A 4th? Trying to get an asset is great, but it sounds like the sunken cost fallacy. And it can backfire like it did with Drouin. I was fine with the salary, but 3 years has always seemed too long at that price for my taste.

 

[CHfan1]

I have been wondering, what's the true value of Hoffman? He's a one trick poney. Slow, weak defensively, but can put up 40-ish points with PP time. Questionnable reputation, though did not seem like a cancer on the habs. He's just there.

What you see is what you get, the whole league knows him well. Could he return a 5th in a trade? Would he even be picked for free on waiver? I would gladly pay the 5th we acquired in the Bonino salary retention trade to see him go and give his PP time to others.

I think trying to pump up his value by trade deadline is possible, but not to a very high level. For what, a lottery ticket like Gurianov? A 4th? Trying to get an asset is great, but it sounds like the sunken cost fallacy. And it can backfire like it did with Drouin. I was fine with the salary, but 3 years has always seemed too long at that price for my taste.

It would probably cost the Habs at this point draft picks (probably Colorado’s 2nd or the Habs 3rd) to trade him without retention. With retention I still only see them getting future considerations back.

As far as the power play goes he was 3rd overall in ice time for the Habs last season and he had a total of 1 goal.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

It would probably cost the Habs at this point draft picks (probably Colorado’s 2nd or the Habs 3rd) to trade him without retention. With retention I still only see them getting future considerations back.

As far as the power play goes he was 3rd overall in ice time for the Habs last season and he had a total of 1 goal.

In that case I would not retain to get nothing, I would straight up waive him despite only getting 1.150M of relief instead of 2.250M.

Do you think anyone would be interested in a trade for another 1 year non productive player. For example Mantha (5.7M 1 year) for Hoffman and Pitlick (5.6M combined, 1 year each).

Pros:
We get a big body
Reduces our number of forwards
Maybe more upside to flip him at the deadline than those 2, or get value if he improves
Quebec guy I guess

Cons
Hoffman and Pitlick can both be buried separately for more cap relief if it comes to that
They can help the Rocket
Does not fit our faster core

Would Washington even agree?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Canadiens do NOT need a 100 pt centre. Vegas doesn't have one. Suzuki and Dach will likely be close anyway in a couple of years.

But if you can have one, why wouldn't you? What the hell do you think puts Suzuki (let alone Dach!) above Pettersson?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

But if you can have one, why wouldn't you? What the hell do you think puts Suzuki (let alone Dach!) above Pettersson?

I said close to Petterson. What makes you think they won't be as good as Petterson. Suzuki is a year younger and put up the same points last year as Petterson didin '21-22 playing with lesser linemates part of the time. Dach and Caufield are years younger and might put up 85+ pts by the time they are 24.

 

[CAUFIELD]

Hoffman value is probably negative . I think he will finish the year on our payroll, ala Drouin with no takers at TDL.

I would send him all year to the AHL. It also Sends a message to Armia , Dvorak, Gallagher.

 

[Guy Larose]

WTF is all this Petersson talk page after page. They aren't trading him.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I have been wondering, what's the true value of Hoffman? He's a one trick poney. Slow, weak defensively, but can put up 40-ish points with PP time. Questionnable reputation, though did not seem like a cancer on the habs. He's just there.

What you see is what you get, the whole league knows him well. Could he return a 5th in a trade? Would he even be picked for free on waiver? I would gladly pay the 5th we acquired in the Bonino salary retention trade to see him go and give his PP time to others.

I think trying to pump up his value by trade deadline is possible, but not to a very high level. For what, a lottery ticket like Gurianov? A 4th? Trying to get an asset is great, but it sounds like the sunken cost fallacy. And it can backfire like it did with Drouin. I was fine with the salary, but 3 years has always seemed too long at that price for my taste.

A 1st.


That the Habs are attaching to him.

Deadline maybe a 6th.

 

[Archijerej]

I said close to Petterson. What makes you think they won't be as good as Petterson. Suzuki is a year younger and put up the same points last year as Petterson didin '21-22 playing with lesser linemates part of the time. Dach and Caufield are years younger and might put up 85+ pts by the time they are 24.

And Nathan Beaulieu might even develop into a perfect partner for Shea Weber.

 

[tazsub3]

And Nathan Beaulieu might even develop into a perfect partner for Shea Weber.

Not a very good comeback if you ask me. He is giving you stats on young developing players / potential stars that already proved something and whose value improved since their draft night and a you counter with a looser with a shitty attitude whose highest value came on draft night

 

[ReHabs]

There's always an excuse

In all my years alive I haven’t seen a fanbase as ready to make excuses for their team’s lack of success as Habs fans. Always excuses to be made to defend the Habs from fans who want good things.

Canadiens do NOT need a 100 pt centre. Vegas doesn't have one. Suzuki and Dach will likely be close anyway in a couple of years.

You think Dach will get close to adding 62pts to his career high?

And Nathan Beaulieu might even develop into a perfect partner for Shea Weber.

With Shea Weber’s leadership and aura, it is bound to happen. If not Beaulieu then Victor Mete.

 

[Rapala]

Our PP philosophy is somewhat flawed, other teams leave their best PP players out there for almost the full 2 minutes..............none of the BS change it up after 60 seconds anymore....
The Suzuki CC, Dach, Newhook, and Matheson/Guhlie guys need to be out there...........period.

Not flawed when not working well. How many teams have spent damn near the full two minutes in our zone these past couple of seasons? It's a lot easier to play 1:40-1:50 minutes whe you have complete control. Our PP changes up at about a minute because we've had to retrieve the puck two or three times. One of our issues is found at the dot. Suzuki for one has to get much better and we also need to have far more winger wins. Secondly trying to provide assets for two waves when you don't have the talent for one wave is just stupid. Far too many breakdowns at the weak link(s) it's inevitable. The PP has to get fixed this season there are no longer any acceptable excuses. No Gallagher No Anderson No Hoffman I'd even go as far as saying No Matheson if he fails to distribute the puck in a timely fashion and wastes shots. For me we have enough talent now to get this done and if we don't it's an epic fail.

 

[Heffyhoof]

The reason the Dubois trade was silly is because Suzuki is better and getting better, while Dach has the potential to be a Dubois level player, some believe more than that.

Pettersson is better than both of them right now and, in my opinion, only Suzuki has it in him to come close. The only way he's on the trade block is if he won't re-sign with Vancouver so it's likely a sign and trade at next year's draft. A pick likely in the 5-8 range, Dach and Newhook is a price I'd be comfortable with, providing one of those two doesn't absolutely explode.

Montreal needs talent and shouldn't shy away from spending assets that hurt whenever a star player is potentially available, doubly so when they're the perfect age with the core.

 

[Scriptor]

In that case I would not retain to get nothing, I would straight up waive him despite only getting 1.150M of relief instead of 2.250M.

Do you think anyone would be interested in a trade for another 1 year non productive player. For example Mantha (5.7M 1 year) for Hoffman and Pitlick (5.6M combined, 1 year each).

Pros:
We get a big body
Reduces our number of forwards
Maybe more upside to flip him at the deadline than those 2, or get value if he improves
Quebec guy I guess

Cons
Hoffman and Pitlick can both be buried separately for more cap relief if it comes to that
They can help the Rocket
Does not fit our faster core

Would Washington even agree?

The idea of waiving or trading Hoffman is to free up ice time for deserving youngsters. Making a trade for another problem child elsewhere defeats that purpose, IMO.

 

[Drive425]

Can't see the Canucks being interested to sell Pettersson. I'd think Keller would be a more realistic target but the cost will still be high.

 

[Barriwhite]

The Habs could set up a three way trade by sending some of the above mentioned assets for a young center. They could also just ignore Petersson and trade for an impact winger.

What’s this “ignoring Pettersson” coming from? Has there been an indication that he wants out of VAN or that they are open to trading him?

 

[sampollock]

What’s this “ignoring Pettersson” coming from? Has there been an indication that he wants out of VAN or that they are open to trading him?

none
just more PLD maybe's

 

[DAChampion]

What’s this “ignoring Pettersson” coming from? Has there been an indication that he wants out of VAN or that they are open to trading him?

We're just brainstorming

 

[Archijerej]

Not a very good comeback if you ask me. He is giving you stats on young developing players / potential stars that already proved something and whose value improved since their draft night and a you counter with a looser with a shitty attitude whose highest value came on draft night

My comment was obviously exagerrated, but so is the casual dismissal of a star centerman, because apparently Suzuki and Dach will almost certainly get close to that level.

We spent years under Bergevin hoping our young players and prospects will simply develop to fill the roles we needed them to fill, while our core players aged and declined.

 

[BLONG7]

Not flawed when not working well. How many teams have spent damn near the full two minutes in our zone these past couple of seasons? It's a lot easier to play 1:40-1:50 minutes whe you have complete control. Our PP changes up at about a minute because we've had to retrieve the puck two or three times. One of our issues is found at the dot. Suzuki for one has to get much better and we also need to have far more winger wins. Secondly trying to provide assets for two waves when you don't have the talent for one wave is just stupid. Far too many breakdowns at the weak link(s) it's inevitable. The PP has to get fixed this season there are no longer any acceptable excuses. No Gallagher No Anderson No Hoffman I'd even go as far as saying No Matheson if he fails to distribute the puck in a timely fashion and wastes shots. For me we have enough talent now to get this done and if we don't it's an epic fail.

Absolutely agree..............the face off dot is crucial.

 

[Archijerej]

I agree but I don’t think this is the right timing. The team is still mediocre. I could see them doing such a trade a little bit later on. Someone will be available.

Once you've acquired an elite center and built a deep pipeline of young blueliners as we have, there is hardly any need to linger near the bottom of the standings for much longer.

 

[tazsub3]

My comment was obviously exagerrated, but so is the casual dismissal of a star centerman, because apparently Suzuki and Dach will almost certainly get close to that level.

We spent years under Bergevin hoping our young players and prospects will simply develop to fill the roles we needed them to fill, while our core players aged and declined.

Yea I don’t disagree about that , as star c are always a great addition , if it’s up to me. But the players he stayed are not the same type of players we had under Bergevin .
I have gone on récord at the time of the trade and will again , I think dach will become a star c in this league and he will be the number one c of this team

 

[Archijerej]

Yea I don’t disagree about that , as star c are always a great addition , if it’s up to me. But the players he stayed are not the same type of players we had under Bergevin .
I have gone on récord at the time of the trade and will again , I think dach will become a star c in this league and he will be the number one c of this team

Well, fair enough. If one believes Suzuki and/or Dach is a star center in the making, then obviously there's no point in trading either of them for a guy like Pettersson.

I'm just not so sure about the validity of the projection.

 

[bcv]

Once you've acquired an elite center and built a deep pipeline of young blueliners as we have, there is hardly any need to linger near the bottom of the standings for much longer.

Yeah, much better to be in no man's land than at the bottom of the standings.

How do you think EP would be acquired? The only valuable prospects the Habs have are blueliners, so the pipeline would look much different after that trade.