HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Archijerej]

The Habs could set up a three way trade by sending some of the above mentioned assets for a young center.

Maybe, but why complicate things? I don't see a great need to retain both Suzuki and Dach if we're bringing in a star centerman.

They could also just ignore Petersson and trade for an impact winger.

I'm not sure it's a particularly good idea, but yeah, we could probably do that.

Let me rephrase then : I don't see the Habs being that interested in trading significant assets for EP.

If we are not interested in trading significant assets for a star centerman, then we are not interested in trading significant assets, period.

I'm not sure it's such a good idea given the recent experience of having a GM who would refuse to add to the core he inherited. Not to mention the decades long experience of not having an elite centerman.

 

[DAChampion]

Of the 2 players listed:

Eichel (who is currently closest to Pettersson in value of the players listed above) needed surgery after getting traded (and wanted a surgery method that Buffalo wasn’t willing to approve).

DeBrincat wanted to be traded and only would go to Detroit.

I think it would take more to trade for Pettersson than the above trades.

There's always an excuse

 

[bcv]

Maybe, but why complicate things? I don't see a great need to retain both Suzuki and Dach if we're bringing in a star centerman.



I'm not sure it's a particularly good idea, but yeah, we could probably do that.



If we are not interested in trading significant assets for a star centerman, then we are not interested in trading significant assets, period.

I'm not sure it's such a good idea given the recent experience of having a GM who would refuse to add to the core he inherited. Not to mention the decades long experience of not having an elite centerman.

I figure HuGo doesn't think they're at a point where they want to trade significant assets for players that would precipitate things. I don't see them being passive in the future, just not right now.

They've also already traded more 1st round picks in a year and half than Bergevin has in his entire tenure.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I figure HuGo doesn't think they're at a point where they want to trade significant assets for players that would precipitate things. I don't see them being passive in the future, just not right now.

They've also already traded more 1st round picks in a year and half than Bergevin has in his entire tenure.

If Petterson would be available to the Habs, they'd be crazy not to try everything to get him. How the hell would acquire him be 'precipitating' things? Jesus, that philosophy has to be the most overrated concept I've ever heard of. There's no timeline to acquiring players of that caliber. Ever.

 

[LaP]

If Petterson would be available to the Habs, they'd be crazy not to try everything to get him. How the hell would acquire him be 'precipitating' things? Jesus, that philosophy has to be the most overrated concept I've ever heard of. There's no timeline to acquiring players of that caliber. Ever.

There is when they are around 30 years old. But Pettersson will be 25 next season so it doesn't apply to him. When you are in the middle of a rebuild you want to avoid trading assets for players over 26 ideally as those players will be on the wrong side of 30 when the rebuild will be over and you have no idea how they will age.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Am I crazy for thinking Dvorak to Boston makes sense?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Am I crazy for thinking Dvorak to Boston makes sense?

Why would we trade him at this point?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Let me rephrase then : I don't see the Habs being that interested in trading significant assets for EP.

we traded #13 + for Dach and a 1st + 2nd for Newhook so im sure HuGo would have no problem trading better assets for a much better player who fits with our core EP is a top center in this league and only 24 years old we havent had a player like him in decades

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

we traded #13 + for Dach and a 1st + 2nd for Newhook so im sure HuGo would have no problem trading better assets for a much better player who fits with our core EP is a top center in this league and only 24 years old we havent had a player like him in decades

I expect he would. He traded draft picks and a defensman he didn't want in those trades. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Newhook would not be available. Slaf is the only top player who might be available.

 

[Archijerej]

Am I crazy for thinking Dvorak to Boston makes sense?

Don't think it does.

The Bruins should start accumulating ammunition to eventually add a #1C to the Swayman, McAvoy, Pastrnak core. Spending precious assets on a middle 6 center who hasn't been healthy lately is not a great idea.

Dvorak is a player a contender trades for to improve their #3C position and a bumper role on the powerplay.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

At this point Coyle is better than Dvorak IMO. At least Montgomery has seen a lot of DVo so maybe he could preach for him.

 

[Archijerej]

I expect he would. He traded draft picks and a defensman he didn't want in those trades. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Newhook would not be available. Slaf is the only top player who might be available.

I can assure you Hughes wouldn't blink an eye trading one of those for a truly elite center, unless he was convinced they realistically have a similar potential.

 

[bcv]

we traded #13 + for Dach and a 1st + 2nd for Newhook so im sure HuGo would have no problem trading better assets for a much better player who fits with our core EP is a top center in this league and only 24 years old we havent had a player like him in decades

They traded romanov for Dach and basically the latest a 1st can be for Newhook, it's not in the same realm of assets that would be needed for EP.

 

[Archijerej]

They traded romanov for Dach and basically the latest a 1st can be for Newhook, it's not in the same realm of assets that would be needed for EP.

Not the same realm of return either.

 

[bcv]

Not the same realm of return either.

Yeah and what's your point regarding what I said originally?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I expect he would. He traded draft picks and a defensman he didn't want in those trades. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach and Newhook would not be available. Slaf is the only top player who might be available.

For Pettersson? Are you high?!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I can assure you Hughes wouldn't blink an eye trading one of those for a truly elite center, unless he was convinced they realistically have a similar potential.

I am sure he won't trade any of them. Suzuki is the captain and leader. He is untouchable. Caufield is Suzuki's buddy and Dach and Newhook were only recently acquired. HuGo are trying to build a tight knit young group and a destination spot. They won't move any of them and have UFA's hesitate to sign and upset the cohesion of the team.

 

[bcv]

If Petterson would be available to the Habs, they'd be crazy not to try everything to get him. How the hell would acquire him be 'precipitating' things? Jesus, that philosophy has to be the most overrated concept I've ever heard of. There's no timeline to acquiring players of that caliber. Ever.

Yeah, the Leafs adding Tavares to their team really didn't f*** their cap and didn't force the leafs to trade for pieces at premium in order to compete right away.

That was a guy that didn't cost any asset to obtain. So in the Habs situation, add all those facts and substract all the premium assets it would cost for him (Suzuki, A prospect ++).

I simply don't think it's the right timing. If it's not EP, it can be somebody else. There's always someone available for the right price.

 

[Archijerej]

Yeah and what's your point regarding what I said originally?

My point is that unless HuGo believes one of Suzuki or Dach has a very good chance of becoming a top 20 NHL centerman, he would trade one of them for an elite center.

I am sure he won't trade any of them. Suzuki is the captain and leader. He is untouchable. Caufield is Suzuki's buddy and Dach and Newhook were only recently acquired. HuGo are trying to build a tight knit young group and a destination spot. They won't move any of them and have UFA's hesitiate to signand upset the cohesion of the team.

Suzuki being a captain and the group cohesion that comes from that would probably give him pause, I grant you that. He'd still likely do it if he was convinced he's getting a player of a different tier.

Dach would be packing his bags today, if Vancouver's GM called.

If what you describe is correct, then we got ourselves another version of Marc Bergevin. But I don't think we did.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

My point is that unless HuGo believes one of Suzuki or Dach has a very good chance of becoming a top 20 NHL centerman, he would trade one of them for an elite center.



Suzuki being a captain and the group cohesion that comes from that would probably give him pause, I grant you that. He'd still likely do it if he was convinced he's getting a player of a different tier.

Dach would be packing his bags today, if Vancouver's GM called.

If what you describe is correct, then we got ourselves another version of Marc Bergevin. But I don't think we did.

No. What you are describing is an MB move. Going after any new toy that becomes available and offering some ridiculous contract. To even consider Petterson he would have to be willing to sign an extension at a reasonable cost. All the Habs top 5 have several years left on their contracts. petterson has one.

 

[Archijerej]

No. What you are describing is an MB move. Goin after any new toy that becomes available and offering some ridiculous contract. To even consider Petterson he would have to be willing to sign an extension at a reasonable cost. All the Habs top 5 have several years left on their contracts. petterson has one.

You cannot have possibly assumed we were discussing a rental Pettersson this whole time.

A toy? Addressing a decades long need is buying a toy?

 

[bcv]

My point is that unless HuGo believes one of Suzuki or Dach has a very good chance of becoming a top 20 NHL centerman, he would trade one of them for an elite center.

I agree but I don’t think this is the right timing. The team is still mediocre. I could see them doing such a trade a little bit later on. Someone will be available.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Yeah, the Leafs adding Tavares to their team really didn't f*** their cap and didn't force the leafs to trade for pieces at premium in order to compete right away.

That was a guy that didn't cost any asset to obtain. So in the Habs situation, add all those facts and substract all the premium assets it would cost for him (Suzuki, A prospect ++).

I simply don't think it's the right timing. If it's not EP, it can be somebody else. There's always someone available for the right price.

The Leafs didn't need Tavares as a 2C (they already had Kadri) nor was it wise to pay him like that before Matthews and Marner had contracts negotiated.

How is that a remotely comparable scenario to the Canadiens needing a young center who can hit 100 points?

Since when is there a timing for that? And when are those guys available?

No. What you are describing is an MB move. Going after any new toy that becomes available and offering some ridiculous contract. To even consider Petterson he would have to be willing to sign an extension at a reasonable cost. All the Habs top 5 have several years left on their contracts. petterson has one.

LOL

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The Leafs didn't need Tavares as a 2C (they already had Kadri) nor was it wise to pay him like that before Matthews and Marner had contracts negotiated.

How is that a remotely comparable scenario to the Canadiens needing a young center who can hit 100 points?

Since when is there a timing for that? And when are those guys available?



LOL

Canadiens do NOT need a 100 pt centre. Vegas doesn't have one. Suzuki and Dach will likely be close anyway in a couple of years.

 

[Scriptor]

Canadiens do NOT need a 100 pt centre. Vegas doesn't have one. Suzuki and Dach will likely be close anyway in a couple of years.

If Suzuki and Dach both become PPG Centers for the Habs, le CH does n to need a 100-point C because that will mean that we also have productive wingers in the fold.

Of course, we're not there yet, but a few years should confirm an upward swing or not for those two Cs. We can always hope to acquire a 100-point C then if the two we have aren't reaching their ceilings.