HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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BaseballCoach

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You overrate the team. They weren’t good and won’t be better next year, injury or not, Monty and Allen made them win many games they didn’t deserve.
Every team with a goalie who saves at .905 or better steals a few games. It's not just a Hab thing.

In fact, I would say that if Montembeault had been played as the number one goalie and Allen as the backup, and we had a full season of
Caufield 46 goals​
Matheson 61 points​
Monahan 56 points​
even with all the other injuries remaining the same, we would have been fighting for a wild card spot for a lot longer, and would probably have finished at over 82 points.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink

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Habs could be looking at.

Collin Graf
Yaniv Perets

And Charles Alexis-Legault to draft.

By the time they're ready there won't be any games to play, so the contracts can start next season, unless both want to go back. Graf is just 20, so he might want another year.
 
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Kaiden Ghoul

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Would seriously be interested in Swayman, i know division... but its time to screw them back :)

Remember when they got Hackett from us in a 3 way trade ? The time we got Sundstrom? We need to find one team willing to trade for him and give them something back... i would probably go as starting with the Florida first if we cant land Dubois.
 

Scriptor

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Don't get the Mantha fit. He'll be 29 when the season starts. Besides, Washington is unlikely to let Mantha go that cheaply. Might as well keep Gurianov who is three years younger. and much, much cheaper. If it's important to you, I could ask him to change his name to Youri Anneau.

I believe that the choices with Heineman are Habs or SHL.


Not sure Anthony Richard wants to re-sign with us.

Kidney is probably in Laval too.

What are we giving up to acquire PLD?
I read somewhere that it was North America all the way for Heineman next season, wherever he plays.

I don't think that Mantha is so much a French Canadian thing, but that he could be flipped at the deadline, at 50% for a decent return in futures. Gurianov is a project and there are noguarntees he can be flipped.

Right now, Mantha is Hoffman 0.8, for more money.

Mantha 11-16-27 in 67 games and -8.
Hoffman 14-20-34 in 66 games and -9.
Ouch.
 

Beendair Donedat

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Mantha is literally a bigger Drouin. Dude sucks and goes invisible after a small strech like Armia.
We dont need another 2.0 Drouin.
Quoted for truth.

We’re finally getting rid of Drouin, we don’t need to take on another one, unless it’s a Monahan type situation where they pay us a first to take on Mantha’s last year.

Why would anyone give up assets for a guy who hadn’t played a full season for half a decade, and when he finally comes close to playing one, has 11 goals and 16 assists… before getting injured again!! And costs you 6 million in cap space.

Mantha makes absolutely no sense for this team.
 

RationalExpectations

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Every team with a goalie who saves at .905 or better steals a few games. It's not just a Hab thing.

In fact, I would say that if Montembeault had been played as the number one goalie and Allen as the backup, and we had a full season of
Caufield 46 goals​
Matheson 61 points​
Monahan 56 points​
even with all the other injuries remaining the same, we would have been fighting for a wild card spot for a lot longer, and would probably have finished at over 82 points.
No proof of that, if you have more Caufield goals maybe RHP does not have his shot, most forwards would have less quality ice Time. The Habs actually had a better record before Matheson came back. Monahan was a cap dump, because he is injury prone, so him scoring 60 points would have been the anomaly, not what actually happened.
 

Leon Lucius Black

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We already have a shit ton of forwards for next year, the only way Mantha makes sense is if it is a similar deal to the Monahan one but there's likely no chance we get anything close to what Calgary gave up.

Without all the injuries this year, RHP/Ylonen wouldn't have got the opportunities to show what they can do. If Heineman has a great camp and deserves a roster spot in the NHL, I don't want him sent down just because we are stuck with a bunch of plug veterans we can't move in Armia, Gallagher, Hoffman and Mantha.
 

WeThreeKings

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while I think it's a terrible call-out in the PLD thread.. I can't imagine the motivation for adding Mantha other than people liked him in the Q. I remember a huge push to draft him on our board and good for him being able to be a certifiable NHLer but man his NHL draft year issues are still there.

There's no pulse or intensity there.
 

Pompeius Magnus

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If washington's board is any indication, they'd be willing to give us Mantha for free for the cap relief alone. I do have to admit part of me is intrigued by how he'd do on a line with Suzuki and Caufield, style wise it might work pretty good. Can MSL be the one coach to finally light a fire under his ass though ? I kinda doubt it. Feels like he'll never be the player people hoped he would be.
 

BaseballCoach

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No proof of that, if you have more Caufield goals maybe RHP does not have his shot, most forwards would have less quality ice Time. The Habs actually had a better record before Matheson came back. Monahan was a cap dump, because he is injury prone, so him scoring 60 points would have been the anomaly, not what actually happened.
You gave me an idea.

We should encourage Caufield to be picked up on an offer sheet, 7 years x $7.875M

We get 4 first round picks as compensation.

We trade each of those first picks for seven 7th round picks.

We get 28 chances to draft the next Harvey-Pinard. The top 3 out of the 28 will EACH make Caufield expendable.

Big win.

By the way, the worse record has come almost exclusively from the games Allen played in. We also have 14 guys out, not just our one little goal-scorer. Guys have sgtarted mailing it in, but not MAtheson. He gives it his all everynight. Instead of finding stretched reasons why this should be ignored, such as Monahan being a cap dump (so what, he contributed to wins before going down and Matheson was mostly hurt then)
 

Habs

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are we doing that thing where we need to target players because they are french? lol
 
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RationalExpectations

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You gave me an idea.

We should encourage Caufield to be picked up on an offer sheet, 7 years x $7.875M

We get 4 first round picks as compensation.

We trade each of those first picks for seven 7th round picks.

We get 28 chances to draft the next Harvey-Pinard. The top 3 out of the 28 will EACH make Caufield expendable.

Big win.

By the way, the worse record has come almost exclusively from the games Allen played in. We also have 14 guys out, not just our one little goal-scorer. Guys have sgtarted mailing it in, but not MAtheson. He gives it his all everynight. Instead of finding stretched reasons why this should be ignored, such as Monahan being a cap dump (so what, he contributed to wins before going down and Matheson was mostly hurt then)
You make no sense at all but keep arguing with yourself.
 

RationalExpectations

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Similar to a Monahan deal, we get a 1st for taking him. He only has next year left in his contract @ 5.7 M.
given their recent performances, I doubt WSH trades away next year s first. If they end up 8 OA after lottery it seems high price for a cap dump. So I don t really see them do that. I would of course accept it as an Habs fan.
 

MXD

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while I think it's a terrible call-out in the PLD thread.. I can't imagine the motivation for adding Mantha other than people liked him in the Q. I remember a huge push to draft him on our board and good for him being able to be a certifiable NHLer but man his NHL draft year issues are still there.

There's no pulse or intensity there.

Trading him for the very similar Hoffman (whose numbers are better due to having more opportunity due to being on a worse team) when a little bit more size on F wouldn't be a bad thing, or for the longer-termed signed Joel Armia.

Otherwise, there's absolutely no point in giving any asset whatsoever for Mantha (Hoffman and Armia being liabilities and not assets); Mantha is a liablity too, but he's got size (and, frankly a bit more Hockey IQ) than Hoffman, all the while being a bit younger and on a contract year; Armia... well, it's obvious : Mantha's deal ends next season, while Armia has two years left.
 
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