HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

[Sterling Archer]

Here’s some red meat. Have at er’!

 

[Jaynki]

Here’s some red meat. Have at er’!

Both accomplish absolutely nothing for us. Dont think there is a world where we are interested in one of these two...

Also, remember when some were mad we drafted Guhle instead of fckng Jimi Hendrix Lapjerre.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Both accomplish absolutely nothing for us. Dont think there is a world where we are interested in one of these two...

Also, remember when some were mad we drafted Guhle instead of fckng Jimi Hendrix Lapjerre.

Couldn’t agree more but Quebec born players are always apparently worth more than other players even if they’re of no use to the Habs.

 

[Rapala]

Both accomplish absolutely nothing for us. Dont think there is a world where we are interested in one of these two...

Also, remember when some were mad we drafted Guhle instead of fckng Jimi Hendrix Lapjerre.

This looks exactly like what HuGo would do and remains consistent with they moves they've made to date.
How does anybody have the balls to publish this tripe?

I was actually coming here to ask if anyone thought HuGo might use both picks to secure players if they didn't like their positioning.
That'll teach me.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Most free agents want to play for a winner or maximum salary. Montreal usually offers nether.

Yes, so it is important to jump on a productive guy who is willing to have Montreal on his list and get him before someone else does.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Here’s some red meat. Have at er’!

Ahh yes DLC. Haven't been credible since Prust's gf got their one and only scoop.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Since the Habs are likely heading towards no man land’s with or without an impactful new core piece on their top-6, might as well reiterate a Dach-style trade this summer and bolster the roster, especially since there will be 2 organisational jewels to shelter next year; Slafkovsky and MTL’s 2023 1st .

Unless the Habs hit on the lottery and win one of the top two spots, it's highly unlikely their 2023 pick will be playing in Montreal next season. Even Fantilli, at #2 overall, could return to Michigan for a 2nd NCAA season.

 

[SlafySZN]

Ahh yes DLC. Haven't been credible since Prust's gf got their one and only scoop.

It’s from a Tarik El-Bashir article. He say Lapierre and Mcmichael could be available in a trade to get a top 6 player or dman and that Mantha is available. It’s hardly a ‘’scoop’’ from DLC.

 

[morhilane]

It’s from a Tarik El-Bashir article. He say Lapierre and Mcmichael could be available in a trade to get a top 6 player or dman. It’s hardly a ‘’scoop’’ from DLC.

And Washington doesn't have much cap space for next season which means Mantha is probably the cap dump in such a trade...

I doubt they move their 2023 1st since it's a lottery pick. Hard pass on anything they have to offer.

 

[SlafySZN]

Here’s some red meat. Have at er’!

Mantha has 1 year on his deal and who knows HuGo might be able to get a first round pick to take him like they did Monahan.

Hughes said he doesn’t want to make moves that makes the team much better next season. There will be no Drouin, no Monahan plus who knows if they will trade someone like Anderson, so there is space for a trade like that.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Getting a 24 year old NHL goalie with a career .920 SVP in 85 games is at least as good as a middle of the 1st round pick plus non-core NHL roster players.


Pass on Killorn, unless it is a cheap one year deal near end of camp, if we need him, and if no one signed him yet.

Swayman’s stats are inflated playing on a defensive powerhouse. The same powerhouse that made a sieve like Ullmark a Vezina favourite. He’d get starched playing on a team like ours.

 

[Vachon23]

Ryan Chesley is a prospect I would like in WSH

Could be a great partner for Huston in the futur

 

[SlafySZN]

And Washington doesn't have much cap space for next season which means Mantha is probably the cap dump in such a trade...

I doubt they move their 2023 1st since it's a lottery pick. Hard pass on anything they have to offer.

Both are also not prospects i would like to get, not the type the habs are searching for anyway in my opinion.

But if something like Anderson for first round pick 2023 (after the lottery) and Mantha as cap dump is offered maybe they do it? Feel like we could have more for Anderson though.

 

[salbutera]

Both accomplish absolutely nothing for us. Dont think there is a world where we are interested in one of these two...

Also, remember when some were mad we drafted Guhle instead of fckng Jimi Hendrix Lapjerre.

Is there a Mantha deal to be had w Caps for Price’s LTIR to buy themselves cap space as VGK did in swapping Dadonov’s final contract year w Weber acquisition last summer?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Caps have about 6.5 mill and a goalie to send down. They need 1 forward and have 2 rfa dmen to sign that aren't going to cost a lot.

Caps can roll with Mantha if they choose to

 

[JRichard]

Unless the Habs have a third consecutive injuries-filled season, the current projectable lineup for 2023-2024 is hardly bad enough to solely rely on draft power.

Since the Habs are likely heading towards no man land’s with or without an impactful new core piece on their top-6, might as well reiterate a Dach-style trade this summer and bolster the roster, especially since there will be 2 organisational jewels to shelter next year; Slafkovsky and MTL’s 2023 1st.

Injuries to Caufield, Guhle, Slaf, Matheson all happened around the 45 game mark.
Jan 1st (33 games played): Habs were 6th worst
Feb 16 (55 games): Habs were 6th worst
Today 6th worst.

blaming injuries is too easy. Only Laval suffered. That got us RHP, Ylonen, Barron.
160 man-games lost to Price and Byron…
Losing Gallagher, Armia was a blessing.

 

[Scriptor]

Dubois has always had a bad attitude and id rather turn our attention elsewhere

id love to try to sign Tarasenko as a UFA

Why? For chrissakes, the guy is 31 years old! That just smells of too much money and too much term needlessly.

I love the pass on Dubois, but I really want a player instead that serves nothing towards Hughes' rebuild plan.

Were you aware that Hughes said he will not go after UFAs exactly like Tarasenko that you covet?

Big disconnect there...

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It’s from a Tarik El-Bashir article. He say Lapierre and Mcmichael could be available in a trade to get a top 6 player or dman and that Mantha is available. It’s hardly a ‘’scoop’’ from DLC.

McMichael wou;d be a good acquisition. He has been screwed over by the incompetent bumbling fool Laviolette. Lapierre may be worth a shot too.

 

[Scriptor]

Again if he wanted to come he would have give the option to match 2x3.75m$ isn’t crazy any way you look at it there no way that is a deal breaker and that 3 time where he hit UFA and he ended up signing with a other team even if MTL was is 1st choice at some point maybe that can be true for the last deal Detroit offered more and MTL didn’t really have space but the first 2 times MTL would have been pretty desperate for top6 French player… there no way he wanted to come to MTL if he opted to sign 2x3.75m$ and 4x4M$ somewhere else.

What is this attitude towards Perron coming from?

Were you in the room when he negotiated with Bergevin?

Most likely, but I wasn't there either:

Perron: I really want a 2-year deal for the security in the move I will be making. That's what's most important to me.

Bergevin: Sorry, we're not going over a year. It's a prove yourself contract.

I wouldn't give the right to match if I was Perron after that discussion. It's not the same thing as with Radulov, for example. If Perron had been a Hab and was offered better elsewhere, then, giving Montreal the opportunity to match would make more sense.

I'm just saying that there are different possibilities than ragging one the player.

 

[SlafySZN]

Unless the Habs have a third consecutive injuries-filled season, the current projectable lineup for 2023-2024 is hardly bad enough to solely rely on draft power.

Since the Habs are likely heading towards no man land’s with or without an impactful new core piece on their top-6, might as well reiterate a Dach-style trade this summer and bolster the roster, especially since there will be 2 organisational jewels to shelter next year; Slafkovsky and MTL’s 2023 1st.

Don’t agree.

You overrate the team. They weren’t good and won’t be better next year, injury or not, Monty and Allen made them win many games they didn’t deserve. Many young players and might trade guys like anderson, edmundson.

The 2023 first will not play with the habs next season unless we win the lottery and it’s Bedard or Fantilli.

 

[Scriptor]

Geez… you are in for a ride next season.

HuGo’s plan is not to be good next season and probably not even the next one after that.

Nowhere is it Hughes' plan to be bad next year, or the year after that, which is what you are saying, in effect.

Hughes is not a card-carrying member of Tank Nation, FYI.

What he said is he will not make any moves for short term success only. I don't think there was so much innuendo that you couldn't understand that.

Basically, no UFAs like Tarasenko, for example, who is 31 years old, just to come closer making the playoffs over the next few years, but the player not being there to help the team long term.

Hughes then said he would look to make trades like the one he did with Dach, to acquire a young, talented player with remaining upside that can grow with the team's young core and, perhaps, accelerate the rebuild a little.

How Dubois being out of the question resonates from what Hughes said, for you, is somewhat mind-boggling.

I'm not saying its will absolutely happen, but it sounds exactly like what Hughes would consider doing, rather.

 

[Scriptor]

Don’t agree.

You overrate the team. They weren’t good and won’t be better next year, injury or not, Monty and Allen made them win many games they didn’t deserve. Many young players and might trade guys like anderson, edmundson.

The 2023 first will not play with the habs next season unless we win the lottery and it’s Bedard or Fantilli.

I agree that the 2023 1st likely won't play with Montreal next season. Hell, I don't think it will happen, but Slafkovsky could possibly also start the season in Laval.

However, the team will be better if healthy, better than 6th OA. Matheson not getting injured would change a lot, IMO. For the rest, with the youngsters, added experience should see them progress next season. The addition of Heineman will also help.

Just having two top-6 lines next year, with a healthy lineup would bolster our performances, IMO.

Caufield - Suzuki - Heineman
RHP - Dach - Anderson

with no additions from outside the team and its system would definitely bring more offensive production.

Habs will not make the playoffs again, but won't finish worst five.

The G situation, as for this year, will be a question mark, however.

 

[SlafySZN]

Nowhere is it Hughes' plan to be bad next year, or the year after that, which is what you are saying, in effect.

Hughes is not a card-carrying member of Tank Nation, FYI.

What he said is he will not make any moves for short term success only. I don't think there was so much innuendo that you couldn't understand that.

Basically, no UFAs like Tarasenko, for example, who is 31 years old, just to come closer making the playoffs over the next few years, but the player not being there to help the team long term.

Hughes then said he would look to make trades like the one he did with Dach, to acquire a young, talented player with remaining upside that can grow with the team's young core and, perhaps, accelerate the rebuild a little.

How Dubois being out of the question resonates from what Hughes said, for you, is somewhat mind-boggling.

I'm not saying its will absolutely happen, but it sounds exactly like what Hughes would consider doing, rather.

Him saying they won’t make moves to be much better next year, says a lot. However someone take this information. He knows it will take time.

No they won’t push for the playoffs next year, it’s just common sense.

Again, you yourself can assume what Hughes want but of course no one else can share their own opinion on the habs situation.

a trade like the Dach trade don’t accelerate the process much, it’s still a move in a 3-4 years window because the player is already in the league or ready to be but will need development years to reach their potential. I am not against those kind of moves at all, i said it multiple times.

 

[Scriptor]

Couldn’t agree more but Quebec born players are always apparently worth more than other players even if they’re of no use to the Habs.

Why this again?

Dans Les Coulisses is not even a serious enough sports web site to quote. It's a click bait site that will continually raise these links to local players to earn revenue through traffic on the site.

I think you can more justly say that Quebec born players will always pique the curiosity of fans. That's much more legitimate than your suggestion. And it's also normal, for any team's fans.

Pretty sure Boston fans would be piqued by Harris and his potential, for example. After a thorough assessment, it doesn't mean they would want the player, or overpay to have the player...

 

[Scriptor]

Him saying they won’t make moves to be much better next year, says a lot. However someone take this information. He knows it will take time.

No they won’t push for the playoffs next year, it’s just common sense.

Again, you yourself can assume what Hughes want but of course no one else can share their own opinion on the habs situation.

a trade like the Dach trade don’t accelerate the process much, it’s still a move in a 3-4 years window because the player is already in the league or ready to be but will need development years to reach their potential. I am not against those kind of moves at all, i said it multiple times.

A move like Dach does not mean that the player needs to be as much of a project as Dach (at the time of the trade). It's more a question of age VS the young core, as can be gleaned from won't go after 29 year olds that Hughes said. It's also a question of opportunities and NHL pro scouting.

In Dach's case, the fact he was perceived as a project (but Montreal really believed he would pan out) and that CHI was burning down the house are the reasons we were able to acquire Dach for such a relatively cheap price, IMO.

Dubois' contractual situation past next season (not wanting to extend with WIN and going to the UFA market) presents another hot potato situation for WIN (along with Schiefele, Wheeler and Hellebuyck) and an opportunity where Montreal could potentially get a 24/25-yr-old player with upside, that matches the young core's demographics, at a relatively cheap price, like Dach.

That is how those two players line up as potentially similar trades, but, relatively cheap price, form the players with this potential usually includes at least a mid-round 1st round pick. In Dubois' case, it could also include a prospect that Montreal feels it can sacrifice because adding Dubois would make a prospect with lesser upside to Dubois extraneous, and an NHL player or two that aren't in Montreal's future plans.

Of course, it's not a done deal, because, if WIN holds out for the moon, it's no longer a trade like Dach and Hughes walks away, preferring to take his chances with acquiring Dubois as an UFA, if ever.

I base my opinion that Hughes is not a card-carrying member of tank nation on the tandem in power for Montreal management, with Hughes and Gorton and go by Gorton's prior willingness to acquire talent any which way but loose (to quote a movie title with an ape in it).

If opportunities arise, Hughes will seize them. If they don't, rest assured, he won't try to manufacture them by wasting countless quality assets that far outweighs the benefits of acquiring a player.

Of course, his assessment of the value of some players likely won't match your assessments (or mine, form that matter).