HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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After years of fans starved for the Habs to land an extra first round pick in any draft, we finally have one in a generational draft to boot.

And what is the fallout? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many fake trades involving the Habs disposing of a first round pick. Not saying some of the scenarios being proposed are not founded but this is so typical of us.

We’re the two tragedies fan base — the biggest tragedy in sports fandom is not to have what one hopes for. The other, is to have it.

Keep churning out the multipolar trading scenarios — we can all use extra entertainment. :sarcasm:
At the same time , we are destroying our own tank.
We picked badly last draft.

The florida pick was not expected to be out of the playoffs let's be honest.

I don't trust Bobrov at all with his drafting pedigree in the 1st round.

Unless we win the lottery or somehow finish bottom 5 , We will draft 2 disasters. It's the habs org in a nutshell.
Like the leafs are choker , us habs always f*** things that are obvious to do.
 

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1. I know that when a good player wants to be in Montreal, then as long as the price isn't over the top, we need to keep that player. Players rarely want to come to the Habs, usually its guys who found themselves here that want to stay.
2. Having PLD gives us 2 top 6Cs, who are both in their prime. Is one a 1C ? Don't know, we will have to see, but it's promising. This doesn't even include Dach.
3. Stuff happens. PLD wants to come here so let's just wait another year when we get him for free ? Okay, so Jets open the bidding and we don't bid. What does PLD make of that ? He isn't guaranteed that we will offer him a contract at all let alone the money he might want.

I'm not saying you pay anything for him, and it has to be with an extension. But if we are picking 6th or 7th overall after the lottery results this year , I would offer that as main part of a package to the Jets.
Going to cost a lot of money to sign PLD. He hasn't done much lately for Jets. They falling apart
 

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Going to cost a lot of money to sign PLD. He hasn't done much lately for Jets. They falling apart
Pierre Luc Dubois:

60 GP, 24 Goals, 31 Assists, 55 Points, 71 Pims, should be close to his 100 hit total per year, currently out with an undisclosed lower body injury. Averaging about 18:30 minutes a game, playing in all situations. If that's not doing a lot, I'd love to see how you grade the last 25 years of Habs pivots haha!

I think PLD gets a similar contract to the one that Horvat and Larkin signed, and I think that's fair for what he brings to the table, and also considering he's younger than both those players.

Adding a player like this, in his prime, is a no brainer to me. We have the cap space, the assets, and from all indications the player wants to be here.... Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that? Yes it will cost you, but top centers always will.
 

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Pierre Luc Dubois:

60 GP, 24 Goals, 31 Assists, 55 Points, 71 Pims, should be close to his 100 hit total per year, currently out with an undisclosed lower body injury. Averaging about 18:30 minutes a game, playing in all situations. If that's not doing a lot, I'd love to see how you grade the last 25 years of Habs pivots haha!

I think PLD gets a similar contract to the one that Horvat and Larkin signed, and I think that's fair for what he brings to the table, and also considering he's younger than both those players.

Adding a player like this, in his prime, is a no brainer to me. We have the cap space, the assets, and from all indications the player wants to be here.... Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that? Yes it will cost you, but top centers always will.
QFT
 

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Exactly! Why are so many eager to make our equivalent Tavares signing in PLD (who's a worse player at the time AND will require major assets to pry) this early on in our rebuild? Foolishness imo.
The equivalent cap hit compared to the Tavares signing would be $11.6M for Dubois. Tavares was two years older than Dubois now. John had won one playoff series in 9 years with the Islanders, as their clear leader. Dubois has won three series in 6 years.

Furthermore, Toronto has 2 other $11M forwards and a fourth at $7M. That's $40.5M for the four, versus about $28.7M projected for the Habs top 4.

It's not foolish to assemble talent that is under 25 years old and under market value, not at all.
 
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The equivalent cap hit compared to the Tavares signing would be $11.6M for Dubois. Tavares was two years older than Dubois now. John had won one playoff series in 9 years with the Islanders, as their clear leader. Dubois has won three series in 6 years.

Furthermore, Toronto has 2 other $11M forwards and a fourth at $7M. That's $40.5M for the four, versus about $28.7M projected for the Habs top 4.

It's not foolish to assemble talent that is under 25 years old and under market value, not at all.
Tavares had 3 60+ point seasons, 1 70+ point season, and 2 80+ point seasons by the time he was 25. He had another 60+ and 80+ after 25 leading into his big payday. He was also a Hart finalist in two of those years and also was involved in Selke voting 5 times. He’s not a comparable at all to Dubois who has 1 60+ point and a season he’s pacing for around 70 this year. He’s never been in been conversation for hardware either. John Tavares is not a comparable for Dubois’s next extension.
 

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Dubois will be a great complimentary piece. But not the main piece. He doesn't deserve more than our Captain but given his age and stage we would have to offer him somewhere in that realm.

If we can have Suzuki, Caufield and PLD all signed for ~8 mil per year, that is great asset management.
 

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* Upcoming Signings (NHL roster only) :

Farrell: 0.925M AAV [ELC]
Caufield: 7.785M AAV [5-8 years]
Gurianov: 2.5M AAV [1-2 year(s)]
RHP: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Ylonen: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Monahan: 1.25M + 2.75M in conditional bonuses [1 year]

** Draft Day / Offseason:

MTL’s 2023 1st : Top-7 pick?

FLA’s 2023 1st + Struble + Tuch vs Askarov;

Dvorak + Mesar + MTL’s 2023 2nd + CGY’s 2025 1st vs Dubois’s rights. Dubois then signed 8.5M AAV x 8 years;

Allen + MTL’s 4th + CGY’s 5th vs EDM’s 2nd;

Edmundson (50%) vs 2nd round pick;

Hoffman (50%) vs 6th round pick;

*** Post-TDL 2024 Line-up :

Farrell / RHP- Dubois - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Gurianov / 2023 1st?
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Anderson
RHP / Ylonen - Evans - Gallagher / Armia

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris / Kovacevic

Askarov
Montembault
 

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* Upcoming Signings (NHL roster only) :

Farrell: 0.925M AAV [ELC]
Caufield: 7.785M AAV [5-8 years]
Gurianov: 2.5M AAV [1-2 year(s)]
RHP: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Ylonen: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Monahan: 1.25M + 2.75M in conditional bonuses [1 year]

** Draft Day / Offseason:

MTL’s 2023 1st : Top-7 pick?

FLA’s 2023 1st + Struble + Tuch vs Askarov;

Dvorak + Mesar + MTL’s 2023 2nd + CGY’s 2025 1st vs Dubois’s rights. Dubois then signed 8.5M AAV x 8 years;

Allen + MTL’s 4th + CGY’s 5th vs EDM’s 2nd;

Edmundson (50%) vs 2nd round pick;

Hoffman (50%) vs 6th round pick;

*** Post-TDL 2024 Line-up :

Farrell / RHP- Dubois - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Gurianov / 2023 1st?
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Anderson
RHP / Ylonen - Evans - Gallagher / Armia

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris / Kovacevic

Askarov
Montembault
That Askarov price is not happening at all.
Don't know why Winnipeg accept that offer.
Edmonton have no money to waste on a 4m backup.
Edmundson and Hoffman are next deadline moves.

That Dubois line is atrocious.
A 4th liner
A guy who shows play in Laval
And Dach should center the third line
Gurianov is waste of salary, no need to pay that useless QO. Also putting another 18 year olds in the nhl is another bad idea.

Monahan is not coming back , hes broken move on

Not even sure if Slaf should start in the nhl to begin with next season
 

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That Askarov price is not happening at all.
Don't know why Winnipeg accept that offer.
Edmonton have no money to waste on a 4m backup.
Edmundson and Hoffman are next deadline moves.

That Dubois line is atrocious.
A 4th liner
A guy who shows play in Laval
And Dach should center the third line
Gurianov is waste of salary, no need to pay that useless QO. Also putting another 18 year olds in the nhl is another bad idea.

Monahan is not coming back , hes broken move on

Not even sure if Slaf should start in the nhl to begin with next season

Farrell definitely may be NHL player ready...

RHP's gonna make his case. How has Anderson looked since being separated from him? ...

Gurianov's going to make his too. MSL will have to get him to o pkay his game going up and down the wing, but learn to not hurt the team in other aspects.
 

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According to a TSN report this am- Looks like who the Habs are interested in draft wise will leave people not pleased. Looking for size so not sure if you can narrow that down at this point.

* Upcoming Signings (NHL roster only) :

Farrell: 0.925M AAV [ELC]
Caufield: 7.785M AAV [5-8 years]
Gurianov: 2.5M AAV [1-2 year(s)]
RHP: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Ylonen: 0.775M AAV [2 years]
Monahan: 1.25M + 2.75M in conditional bonuses [1 year]

** Draft Day / Offseason:

MTL’s 2023 1st : Top-7 pick?

FLA’s 2023 1st + Struble + Tuch vs Askarov;

Dvorak + Mesar + MTL’s 2023 2nd + CGY’s 2025 1st vs Dubois’s rights. Dubois then signed 8.5M AAV x 8 years;

Allen + MTL’s 4th + CGY’s 5th vs EDM’s 2nd;

Edmundson (50%) vs 2nd round pick;

Hoffman (50%) vs 6th round pick;

*** Post-TDL 2024 Line-up :

Farrell / RHP- Dubois - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Gurianov / 2023 1st?
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Anderson
RHP / Ylonen - Evans - Gallagher / Armia

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Harris / Kovacevic

Askarov
Montembault
I think Savard is a question mark depending what they can get for him in the summer.
 
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Dubois will be a great complimentary piece. But not the main piece. He doesn't deserve more than our Captain but given his age and stage we would have to offer him somewhere in that realm.

If we can have Suzuki, Caufield and PLD all signed for ~8 mil per year, that is great asset management.
Maybe, but many here are not at all complimentary to him, lol.

I do think Dubois can be had for about Suzuki money, 70-something points being his best season. If the three - Suzuki, Caufield and Dubois - want to team up for years at $23.625M, we will still have room for the 2023 first round pick to grow with us over time. Assuming that player and Slaf are in our top 7 forwards by 24-25, we need just one more 70+ point play driver I think, even if not a "mega-star" like McDavid or maybe Bedard. If Farrell can step up to 70 points it would be amazing fortune. if not, we have the money to find one, and to pay a #1-D given that our two current best are under $6M!! If Dobes can't grab the #1G spot, we'll have money for a $6.5M goalie too.

Hey, maybe Meier will be available as UFA in 2024. Or someone else.

It's a cap league. Manage well like Tampa Bay and contender level is possible by 2025.

Anyway, if Dubois is a great complEmentary piece, then so is Suzuki! Give me more of those complements!
 
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Dubois will be a great complimentary piece. But not the main piece. He doesn't deserve more than our Captain but given his age and stage we would have to offer him somewhere in that realm.

If we can have Suzuki, Caufield and PLD all signed for ~8 mil per year, that is great asset management.

Indeed, and it might happen with Caufield given that he's younger and is a home grown talent. However its unlikely we get a home town discount for a player coming in from another team, even if that player wants to play here. However I would like to see us use our competitive advantage to acquire him at a lower trade cost. This is how the Rangers were able to acquire Fox, Trouba, and Kane for less than they're worth and we should look for similar opportunities if they're available.
 

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That Askarov price is not happening at all.
Don't know why Winnipeg accept that offer.
Edmonton have no money to waste on a 4m backup.
Edmundson and Hoffman are next deadline moves.

That Dubois line is atrocious.
A 4th liner
A guy who shows play in Laval
And Dach should center the third line
Gurianov is waste of salary, no need to pay that useless QO. Also putting another 18 year olds in the nhl is another bad idea.

Monahan is not coming back , hes broken move on

Not even sure if Slaf should start in the nhl to begin with next season

I think on the contrary that Dubois-Dach and Caufield-Suzuki would be a promising top-6 foundation. Before long, these two duos would be completed by Slafkovsky and the 2023 1st. In the meantime, Farrell/RHP/Gurianov can be tested to see if they’re NHL material.

Monahan being eligible for a bonuses-structured deal makes him a good stop-gap C option while Beck’s being groomed to take over his duties before long. If Monahan’s done, the Habs can target another option for the same role.circonstances a great start

As for the trades:

That’s the maximum price I’d be willing to pay for Dubois’s rights and the possibility of locking him for 8 years. If the Jets deem this package insufficient, I’d take my chances with a UFA signing next summer.

Edmundson and Hoffman are indeed likely TDL trades, but if they find takers this summer - from a team projecting to sell them at 25% at TDL for instance - I obviously pull the trigger, if only to give icetime to young LHDs and LWs.

As for Askarov, it depends on the quality of FLA’s 2023 1st since it would be the main asset going to Nashville. This being said, if the Habs’ own 1st enables them to pick amongst the top-4 (Bedard-Fantili-Michkov-Carlsson), leveraging FLA’s pick on a G or RHD should be seriously considered.
 

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According to a TSN report this am- Looks like who the Habs are interested in draft wise will leave people not pleased. Looking for size so not sure if you can narrow that down at this point.
So they think it won't be a popular pick among the fanbase and they're looking for size?

I don't think the fanbase would be upset about taking Carlsson assuming we move into the top 3.

So if that's the case then I'm assuming management either like Eduard Sale or Matthew Wood enough to take them in the 6-8 range.
 

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Pierre Luc Dubois:

60 GP, 24 Goals, 31 Assists, 55 Points, 71 Pims, should be close to his 100 hit total per year, currently out with an undisclosed lower body injury. Averaging about 18:30 minutes a game, playing in all situations. If that's not doing a lot, I'd love to see how you grade the last 25 years of Habs pivots haha!

I think PLD gets a similar contract to the one that Horvat and Larkin signed, and I think that's fair for what he brings to the table, and also considering he's younger than both those players.

Adding a player like this, in his prime, is a no brainer to me. We have the cap space, the assets, and from all indications the player wants to be here.... Who wouldn't want to add a guy like that? Yes it will cost you, but top centers always will.

So they think it won't be a popular pick among the fanbase and they're looking for size?

I don't think the fanbase would be upset about taking Carlsson assuming we move into the top 3.

So if that's the case then I'm assuming management either like Eduard Sale or Matthew Wood enough to take them in the 6-8 range.
That would be correct - forgot the guys name doing the report but another media insider but take that for what it is worth.
 
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So they think it won't be a popular pick among the fanbase and they're looking for size?

I don't think the fanbase would be upset about taking Carlsson assuming we move into the top 3.

So if that's the case then I'm assuming management either like Eduard Sale or Matthew Wood enough to take them in the 6-8 range.
apparently its Dvorsky from the tweet i saw
 
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Going to cost a lot of money to sign PLD. He hasn't done much lately for Jets. They falling apart
It's a team game, but where the starting goalie in particular impacts the outcome of the game. Hellebuyck's stats have regressed from the .930s in the first two months to .910s and recently .840s in the past three months. What would you have PLD do, given how the Jets depend on their talismanic goalie and given how their defense has regressed over the season? I don't necessarily view the decision as a slam dunk, but one forward can only do so much if the problem is a lack of cohesion or confidence on defense.

Edit: for what it's worth, for me the decision depends on the salary he wants. Mindful of how many Quebec-based high-profile players used the Habs as leverage to get better offers from other teams, I take PLD's plea to play in Montreal with a grain of salt. He should be viewed as someone who could sign here, but who could also be traded to a competitive team like Colorado and happily sign there. I.e.: by no means a certainty.

If the Habs can get him for non-core players, and he signs for an amount comparable to Suzuki's salary, it would be a worthwhile trade, especially if the Habs can cut bait on some of the tourists. He can certainly have Drouin's unspent money and then a little more. The team needs more combinations of skill, grit and size like his, especially if HuGo are thinking of bringing the likes of Farrell and Huston over the next few years.
 
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According to a TSN report this am- Looks like who the Habs are interested in draft wise will leave people not pleased. Looking for size so not sure if you can narrow that down at this point.
Hilarious lol they know Habs fans love being in panic mode lol.

Please people, ignore any talk about who the Habs are leaning towards on March 6, 2023.
 

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Hilarious lol they know Habs fans love being in panic mode lol.

Please people, ignore any talk about who the Habs are leaning towards on March 6, 2023.

Fantilli? Wood? Honzek?

It's too wide open and these are some great players. Depends where we end up but if we're top 5 I doubt it'll be a big guy if it's not Fantilli.
 
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Fantilli? Wood? Honzek?

It's too wide open and these are some great players. Depends where we end up but if we're top 5 I doubt it'll be a big guy if it's not Fantilli.
Hughes and the rest of management just finished the trade deadline and all of the work that entails.

Anyone suggesting they know who the Habs will be picking in June, while in the month of March, is trying to gaslight you.
 

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Fantilli? Wood? Honzek?

It's too wide open and these are some great players. Depends where we end up but if we're top 5 I doubt it'll be a big guy if it's not Fantilli.
Carlsson's 6'3 and pretty much a lock to go in the top 4 also.
 
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