HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #81

[Nico Cauzuki]

High chance. This is a very good draft year. Think about it like the 2015 draft.

Player like Barzal, Connor and Chabot has still available around the #15-19. You also can't compare it to the trade for Dach. We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position....

Will you do the same with Winnipeg? Trade our Florida pick before knowing who is still available around the #7-10? What the rush to get Dubois next year? are competing for a stanley cup in the next 2-3 years?

He could be available in 2 years? Why not draft the player in 2023 and try your luck in the 2025 summer for Dubois?

Maybe, if we win Bedard and the Florida pick is around the #15-25. We go all in for Dubois and accelerate the rebuild?

PLD is a UFA in 2024

 

[Habs Halifax]

High chance. This is a very good draft year. Think about it like the 2015 draft.

Player like Barzal, Connor and Chabot has still available around the #15-19. You also can't compare it to the trade for Dach. We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position....

Will you do the same with Winnipeg? Trade our Florida pick before knowing who is still available around the #7-10? What the rush to get Dubois next year? are competing for a stanley cup in the next 2-3 years?

He could be available in 2 years? Why not draft the player in 2023 and try your luck in the 2025 summer for Dubois?

Maybe, if we win Bedard and the Florida pick is around the #15-25. We go all in for Dubois and accelerate the rebuild?

It's not a high chance. Picks from 10-20 in 2015 are:
10) Rantanen
11) Crouse
12) Gurianov
13) Zboril
14) Debrusk
15) Senyshyn
16) Barzal
17) Connor
18) Chabot
19) E Svechnikov
20) Eriksson EK

What you are thinking is you will get a Rantanen, Barzel, Connor, Chabot for sure but that's 4/10 odds and that's if it's the same talent which is subjective. High chance is 7 or 8 out of 10. Not 4.

I'm not drooling over trading that pick. Far from it. But Dubois is a legit top 2C who has a big body and skates well. 1 year older than Suzuki.

Nothing happens until we see the lottery results anyways. I hope you don't think we are putting the Panthers pick at play pre lottery?

 

[rahad]

Depending on whether it's 10+, and if it's one for one I might consider it. 2023 1st for PLD like the Dach trade.

We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position.... I don't think Hugo will do the same with a very good draft like the 2023 draft.

 

[rahad]

It's not a high chance. Picks from 10-20 in 2015 are:
10) Rantanen
11) Crouse
12) Gurianov
13) Zboril
14) Debrusk
15) Senyshyn
16) Barzal
17) Connor
18) Chabot
19) E Svechnikov
20) Eriksson EK

What you are thinking is you will get a Rantanen, Barzel, Connor, Chabot for sure but that's 4/10 odds and that's if it's the same talent which is subjective. Hight chance is 7 or 8 out of 10. Not 4.

I'm not drooling over trading that pick. Far from it. But Dubois is a legit top 2C who has a big body and skates well. 1 year older than Suzuki.

Nothing happens until we see the lottery results anyways. I hope you don't think we are putting the Panthers pick at play pre lottery?

Nope, has talking about the possibility of trading Florida pick on draft day. (kinda like the Dach trade) Wait and see.

I understand your point and the possibility of adding Dubois on our roster. But, does Hugo want to accelerate the rebuild or does he want another high pick in the 2024 draft and try for a playoff spot in the 2024-2025 season?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position.... I don't think Hugo will do the same with a very good draft like the 2023 draft.

Is it like the Dach trade? HuGo likely know whether Dubois is serious about wanting to play for the Habs. If he just wants a payday they will have no interest. If they are sure he is serious they won't trade high draft picks for him. They will get him cheap or ask him to wait for UFA and sign him then.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nope, has talking about the possibility of trading Florida pick on draft day. (kinda like the Dach trade) Wait and see.

I understand your point and the possibility of adding Dubois on our roster. But, does Hugo want to accelerate the rebuild or does he want another high pick in the 2024 draft and try for a playoff spot in the 2024-2025 season?

Based on the Habs trying to win games this season, Hughes is not looking at tanking. It's a tricky management and he would have more information than what we know as fans.

I'd do Panthers 1st, Dvorak, Harris, and Kidney for Dubois all day long. It's a quantity for quality trade for a guy who is one year older than Suzuki.

Add one piece at a time when you can. IMO, Dubois would be one of those pieces at a young age. We already have a deep pool with more high draft power to come so depth around the edges won't be a problem.

Get Dubois if it's a price we can afford and then focus on that PP QB RD.

 

[Takeru]

It's not a high chance. Picks from 10-20 in 2015 are:
10) Rantanen
11) Crouse
12) Gurianov
13) Zboril
14) Debrusk
15) Senyshyn
16) Barzal
17) Connor
18) Chabot
19) E Svechnikov
20) Eriksson EK

What you are thinking is you will get a Rantanen, Barzel, Connor, Chabot for sure but that's 4/10 odds and that's if it's the same talent which is subjective. Hight chance is 7 or 8 out of 10. Not 4.

I'm not drooling over trading that pick. Far from it. But Dubois is a legit top 2C who has a big body and skates well. 1 year older than Suzuki.

Nothing happens until we see the lottery results anyways. I hope you don't think we are putting the Panthers pick at play pre lottery?

Agreed.
I wouldnt put that pick on the table from the start but if it’s needed to tip the scales I don’t think we’d end up regretting that trade all that much when all is said and done.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed.
I wouldnt put that pick on the table from the start but if it’s needed to tip the scales I don’t think we’d end up regretting that trade all that much when all is said and done.

We have two big holes to fill. A top 2C and a top paring RD who can QB a PP. Fill the 2C hole if you can and especially if that guy is close to Suzuki's age.

I'm a huge fan of hoarding draft picks and maintaining draft power but there are times to strike times to not. I do see this as a time to make a move.

Remember when some fans wanted us to keep the 13th pick from the Romanov trade (Nesar) and not trade for Dach?

Dach > Romanov > Nesar.
PLD > 10-20 Range pick

 

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Not too surprised. He seem to fit the bill of what Hughes wanted in the offseason

 

[Takeru]

We have two big holes to fill. A top 2C and a top paring RD who can QB a PP. Fill the 2C hole if you can and especially if that guy is close to Suzuki's age.

I'm a huge fan of hoarding draft picks and maintaining draft power but there are times to strike times to not. I do see this as a time to make a move.

Remember when some fans wanted us to keep the 13th pick from the Romanov trade (Nesar) and not trade for Dach?

Dach > Romanov > Nesar.
PLD > 10-20 Range pick

That's the benefit of our recent accumulation of picks and prospects.
Pipeline is pretty well stacked, adding to it our incoming TDL deals, we'll be in a comfortable position to make quantity for quality deals without losing too much margin.

Accumulation is necessary but only so many of those picks and prospects will end up getting a roster spot. Expending some for a quality young 2C isn't something I'd lose sleep over

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's the benefit of our recent accumulation of picks and prospects.
Pipeline is pretty well stacked, adding to it our incoming TDL deals, we'll be in a comfortable position to make quantity for quality deals without losing too much margin.

Accumulation is necessary but only so many of those picks and prospects will end up getting a roster spot. Expending some for a quality young 2C isn't something I'd lose sleep over

We comprehend this very close to the same. It's a balancing act that has to be managed carefully.

What most fans don't understand with rebuild and high draft power is yeah, you might hit with a grade A here and there but you will have mostly B+ types who fill depth holes. Depth won't be our issue moving forward, quality might be. Dubois at age 24 is quality.

Fans are going to dwell on what the 10-20 range pick "could be". Yeah, it could be another Caufield or Guhle but it could also be a Beaulieu or Leblanc. Dubois is not a could be future asset. He's a top 2C hit and still young.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position.... I don't think Hugo will do the same with a very good draft like the 2023 draft.

A very good draft in 2023? That is premature and especially when you start talking 10+ range. There is always talent to find yes but lets not be gullible with the "deep draft" narratives. I've heard that over and over again for several years and it's flawed in many ways.

2023 is deep with top 10 quality. After that, it's very subjective and what those kids do this season matters a lot! Season is like what? 1/3 of the way through? The last 2/3 will have a lot to say about that.

 

[themilosh]

We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position.... I don't think Hugo will do the same with a very good draft like the 2023 draft.

I'd trade FLAs 1st for PLD (Signed at $7M/8) pre lottery, and draft Fantilli with our pick.
CC-SUZUKI-DACH
ANDERSON - PLD - SLAF
xx - FANTILLI - xx
Armia - DVORAK - Gally

trade - anyone else for more D depth

cross fingers on DOBES as G

that's a hell of a team!

 

[rahad]

Based on the Habs trying to win games this season, Hughes is not looking at tanking. It's a tricky management and he would have more information than what we know as fans.

I'd do Panthers 1st, Dvorak, Harris, and Kidney for Dubois all day long. It's a quantity for quality trade for a guy who is one year older than Suzuki.

Add one piece at a time when you can. IMO, Dubois would be one of those pieces at a young age. We already have a deep pool with more high draft power to come so depth around the edges won't be a problem.

Get Dubois if it's a price we can afford and then focus on that PP QB RD.

This is wayyyy to much for Dubois. I would not trade Harris. I could understand for Florida and Dvorak(for cap space). But adding Harris and Kidney is overprice. We are not in a rush to compete for a stanley cup. We are just starting our rebuild.

 

[waitin425]

A very good draft in 2023? That is premature and especially when you start talking 10+ range. There is always talent to find yes but lets not be gullible with the "deep draft" narratives. I've heard that over and over again for several years and it's flawed in many ways.

2023 is deep with top 10 quality. After that, it's very subjective and what those kids do this season matters a lot! Season is like what? 1/3 of the way through? The last 2/3 will have a lot to say about that.

If we are going for PLD in the offseason, do we have pieces to move besides either of our 1st rounders? Perhaps Winnipeg is looking at a re-tool instead of a rebuild. If PLD makes it clear he won't resign with them, what about something like.....

Gallagher + Barron + 2nd rounder

I am not convinced that Gally has negative value like some are. His contract isn't the best but he does fit well with a team like Winnipeg that may be looking for a quick re-tool and a grinder for the playoffs. The Barron + 2nd rounder is steep but it ensures we remain competitive with other teams that might swoop in and offer a better deal for PLD.

We could then sign Dubois for an 8x8 contract and be set down the middle.

The Barron loss stings, as I still think he makes it, but we have a ton of D prospects projecting to make it.

Winnpeg goes from potentially losing PLD for nothing too adding Gally, a B++ D prospect and a 2nd rounder

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is wayyyy to much for Dubois. I would not trade Harris. I could understand for Florida and Dvorak(for cap space). But adding Harris and Kidney is overprice. We are not in a rush to compete for a stanley cup. We are just starting our rebuild.

It's my max offer and if they ask for more, I'll take my chances he reaches UFA. I start lower but go look at the Debrincat and Trouba trades. It falls in line with that.

Debrincat returned the 7th pick but he had 2 years of team control (not 1)

Trouba returned the 20th pick and Pionk and the circumstance around that was he wanted to go to NY. PLD may be similar so Panthers pick and one of Harris/Kidney fits. Adding Dvorak maybe something they don't like so that's why I have both Harris and Kidney in that mix.

Harris is not a sure shot top 4D solution. Kidney's value may never be as high as it is today. I can live without these two cause these are quantity types, not quality. The Panthers first could be another Caufield or Guhle or another Beaulieu or Leblanc.

 

[Lockin17]

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we are going for PLD in the offseason, do we have pieces to move besides either of our 1st rounders? Perhaps Winnipeg is looking at a re-tool instead of a rebuild. If PLD makes it clear he won't resign with them, what about something like.....

Gallagher + Barron + 2nd rounder

I am not convinced that Gally has negative value like some are. His contract isn't the best but he does fit well with a team like Winnipeg that may be looking for a quick re-tool and a grinder for the playoffs. The Barron + 2nd rounder is steep but it ensures we remain competitive with other teams that might swoop in and offer a better deal for PLD.

We could then sign Dubois for an 8x8 contract and be set down the middle.

The Barron loss stings, as I still think he makes it, but we have a ton of D prospects projecting to make it.

Winnpeg goes from potentially losing PLD for nothing too adding Gally, a B++ D prospect and a 2nd rounder

It's hard to know the exact circumstance. I wish I had to chance to talk to Dubois agent this past summer like Gorton and Hughes did. If he tells me that Dubois will force his way to UFA regardless of whatever team is he playing for cause he wants to sign with the Habs, that is a circumstance that lowers his trade value for the Jets like it did with Trouba.

I don't see the Jets taking on Gallagher. They are very frugal as a small market team and no way they take cap dumps with that much term left.

Habs should not trade Barron. We need as much RD depth as possible. If the Jets insist cause they like him a lot, then that changes things a bit.

I'm not afraid of trading the Panthers pick (post lottery). Not if we get Dubois. Would be a different if he was age 28+. Pieces like Harris and Kidney to me are quantity, not quality. I value them but not as top of the line-up assets.

 

[Takeru]

We comprehend this very close to the same. It's a balancing act that has to be managed carefully.

What most fans don't understand with rebuild and high draft power is yeah, you might hit with a grade A here and there but you will have mostly B+ types who fill depth holes. Depth won't be our issue moving forward, quality might be. Dubois at age 24 is quality.

Fans are going to dwell on what the 10-20 range pick "could be". Yeah, it could be another Caufield or Guhle but it could also be a Beaulieu or Leblanc. Dubois is not a could be future asset. He's a top 2C hit and still young.

For sure, it's all about the right timing and opportunity. Fortunately we can still afford patience, no need to overpay at this point but a fair deal for both sides shouldn't be out of the equation.

In this scenario, we should be comfortable with even the "worst case" where we end up giving a pick turning into a high caliber player. Would be a shame but you have to give to get and securing a 2C for his 25-30+ y/o seasons is worth that price considering where we should be at this summer. We're still fine as a team even in this case.

And that's not considering the various other scenarios where we end up in a vastly advantageous position compared to the Jets.

 

[Runner77]

I don’t pay attention to who scouts whom but when a GM chooses to attend games, it may be the sign of something imminent.



How can Hughes get in on that action? He ought to make the trip and shadow Verbeek and sell him on the merits of a 3-way deal. Or, just pull the carpet from under him and pawn off Edmundson.

 

[Takeru]

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Those rumors websites never fail to crack me up with those headlines.
"Maybe" and "inevitable", way to make a contradictory statement. As long as it's a maybe, it's as far from inevitable as anything else lmao

 

[Runner77]

LeBrun continuing to mention Edmundson and Klingberg among Edmonton’s trade targets.

 

[Takeru]

LeBrun continuing to mention Edmundson and Klingberg among Edmonton’s trade targets.

One can hope Hughes works his magic once again on this one.

On a side note, last point made me roll my eyes. A play-in for 1OA? Are you kidding me?
It always amuses me how people ever try to drum up some quirky variations on the lottery formula. No matter the one you use, there'll be happy and unhappy campers with the results and only one team can walk away with the generational prize once every decade, arguably not the most "deserving" one in most fans eyes. That's just how it is.
That said, a play-in appears far too random and small a sample size to disregard season record. That's just silly.

 

[Habs Halifax]

One can hope Hughes works his magic once again on this one.

On a side note, last point made me roll my eyes. A play-in for 1OA? Are you kidding me?
It always amuses me how people ever try to drum up some quirky variations on the lottery formula. No matter the one you use, there'll be happy and unhappy campers with the results and only one team can walk away with the generational prize once every decade, arguably not the most "deserving" one in most fans eyes. That's just how it is.
That said, a play-in appears far too random and small a sample size to disregard season record. That's just silly.

I've liked the idea where you track points after you are mathematically eliminated. I remember hearing about that years ago and I really like it.

Imagine the storylines in the last 1/3 of the season with teams fighting for playoffs spots are playing against teams fighting for draft ranking by trying to win games after being eliminated? I think this is great TV marketing and it puts fans in the seats as well. More revenue might be generated from that.

Some replies will be... teams will tank on purpose. Well, hate to break to you but teams are doing that anyways.

The part that might be a good point is players don't care about where the team's pick is. Well, that applies to our current system as well.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

You guys realize that Florida's pick alone absolutely does not net you Pierre-Luc Dubois, yeah?

Do you really want to trade Florida 2023 draft pick for Dubois? If the Florida pick is in the #7-10. Hard pass for me.

Just the pick? That's wild to me. I give it up instantly and I'd assume HuGo does too. You're getting (at minimum) a 60-point center who's 25 and under that does more than just score. And that's at minimum. The guy will probably end up being PPG this season.