HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #81

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Man Edmundson had 1 good season in like his last 5 and he's bad this year. We are not fetching a first for him lol. Chariot atleast had 25+ playtime and could score goals with his clapper.

Also Getting Boeser is useless since extending that guy sounds like a Gallagher 2.0

Also F*ck Klinberg , extending a Klinberg would be a major mistake. He's already declining and the guy just signed in Anaheim for money. Dude doesnt care about winning.
I don't agree with you at all. One of my catchphrases is never underestimate the desperation and stupidity of GMs near TDL. The difference between chiarot and Edmundson is the latter has an extra year left. No matter what you and I think of him, the NHL views him as a legit top 4 D who would only be a 1.75 cap which is really desirable on a competitive team. I'm not saying you were one but I'd love to take the time to go back to see everyone on this board who doubted that chiarot would fetch a 1st, let alone a 2023 1st which everyone and their mother knew was the more valuable pick. Even if it's a 2024 1st, I'm willing to bet all the cash in my wallet that Edmundson fetches at least a 1st or a prospect that was recently taken in the 1st round
 

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Man Edmundson had 1 good season in like his last 5 and he's bad this year. We are not fetching a first for him lol. Chariot atleast had 25+ playtime and could score goals with his clapper.

Also Getting Boeser is useless since extending that guy sounds like a Gallagher 2.0

Also F*ck Klinberg , extending a Klinberg would be a major mistake. He's already declining and the guy just signed in Anaheim for money. Dude doesnt care about winning.

If we're not getting a first for Eddy we might as well keep him for next year's deadline or for a summer trade. No point selling low this season, especially given we'll have plenty of cap-space.
 

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I don't agree with you at all. One of my catchphrases is never underestimate the desperation and stupidity of GMs near TDL. The difference between chiarot and Edmundson is the latter has an extra year left. No matter what you and I think of him, the NHL views him as a legit top 4 D who would only be a 1.75 cap which is really desirable on a competitive team. I'm not saying you were one but I'd love to take the time to go back to see everyone on this board who doubted that chiarot would fetch a 1st, let alone a 2023 1st which everyone and their mother knew was the more valuable pick. Even if it's a 2024 1st, I'm willing to bet all the cash in my wallet that Edmundson fetches at least a 1st or a prospect that was recently taken in the 1st round
Paul Gaustad went for a 1st. Indeed, it takes only one dumb GM who pulls the trigger
 
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I don't agree with you at all. One of my catchphrases is never underestimate the desperation and stupidity of GMs near TDL. The difference between chiarot and Edmundson is the latter has an extra year left. No matter what you and I think of him, the NHL views him as a legit top 4 D who would only be a 1.75 cap which is really desirable on a competitive team. I'm not saying you were one but I'd love to take the time to go back to see everyone on this board who doubted that chiarot would fetch a 1st, let alone a 2023 1st which everyone and their mother knew was the more valuable pick. Even if it's a 2024 1st, I'm willing to bet all the cash in my wallet that Edmundson fetches at least a 1st or a prospect that was recently taken in the 1st round
Moving Edmunston Losing a lot of experience on the Blueline. Especially with 4 rookies this season
 

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No surprise but Lebrun said we aren't looking to move Eddy, but are willing to listen. Was going to suggest we take back Barrie in addition to assets to even out the cap but he's having a good year production wise there. Although he may be expandable if they go for Klingberg as well.

Also apparently we might be a third team involved to fix potential cap issues with trades (like how Detroit did with Savard) although with so many bloated contracts, is a late pick even worth using a retention slot like that? I guess we would only retain 50% on Monahan and Edmundson so we do have room for one more assuming that nobody wants Drouin/Byron/Dadonov at 50%,
 
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If the reports are true from Vancouver of them wanting Monahan could you guys see a potential deal where a deal Monahan++ signed ext for Horvat or a potential 3 way were horvat double retained to..lets say Colorado, Toronto(puke)
Would be nice to get bo for Monahan+ and ext and we could try to work out a deal for him or flip him ourselves for a haul
 

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The price of a 1st in what people are calling the best draft since Mcdavid and has shades of the 2003 draft is going to be a lot different then the one where everyone panned as one of the worst.

from looking at the picks from 20th onward in the 2022 draft I see most of them as 3rd liners and long term projects. For a lot of GM's giving up a chance on those type of players is acceptable if a trade helps them in the playoffs.

Meanwhile looking at the upcoming draft I see a lot more potential in player ranked in the 20-40 range. There is definitely top 6 potential there. If GM's around the league also see that they will be less willing to give up picks. the players that get traded for them have to be very good players or a very good fit for there team.

Honestly I see this upcoming draft as one where most teams keep there 1st rounder. This deadline will be filled with a lot of 2nd rounders being traded.
 
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Man Edmundson had 1 good season in like his last 5 and he's bad this year. We are not fetching a first for him lol. Chariot atleast had 25+ playtime and could score goals with his clapper.

Also Getting Boeser is useless since extending that guy sounds like a Gallagher 2.0

Also F*ck Klinberg , extending a Klinberg would be a major mistake. He's already declining and the guy just signed in Anaheim for money. Dude doesnt care about winning.
I agree with Boeser and klinberg but I have to disagree on Edmundson he won’t fetch as much a Chiarot but he has been very consistent over is career not many high but not so many low either… probably not has good as Chiarot but more reliable… what has not been consistent is the performance by his D partners.
Chiarot got a unprotected pick in 2023 + +, Edmundson will get a late 2023 their is a pretty big difference in term value.
 
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I don't agree with you at all. One of my catchphrases is never underestimate the desperation and stupidity of GMs near TDL. The difference between chiarot and Edmundson is the latter has an extra year left. No matter what you and I think of him, the NHL views him as a legit top 4 D who would only be a 1.75 cap which is really desirable on a competitive team. I'm not saying you were one but I'd love to take the time to go back to see everyone on this board who doubted that chiarot would fetch a 1st, let alone a 2023 1st which everyone and their mother knew was the more valuable pick. Even if it's a 2024 1st, I'm willing to bet all the cash in my wallet that Edmundson fetches at least a 1st or a prospect that was recently taken in the 1st round
My take away from all this is that you’re a guy who has multiple catch phrases
 

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The price of a 1st in what people are calling the best draft since Mcdavid and has shades of the 2003 draft is going to be a lot different then the one where everyone panned as one of the worst.

from looking at the picks from 20th onward in the 2022 draft I see most of them as 3rd liners and long term projects. For a lot of GM's giving up a chance on those type of players is acceptable if a trade helps them in the playoffs.

Meanwhile looking at the upcoming draft I see a lot more potential in player ranked in the 20-40 range. There is definitely top 6 potential there. If GM's around the league also see that they will be less willing to give up picks. the players that get traded for them have to be very good players or a very good fit for there team.

Honestly I see this upcoming draft as one where most teams keep there 1st rounder. This deadline will be filled with a lot of 2nd rounders being traded.
The 2023 1st round picks aren't more valuable than last year, so far:
- Dallas traded theirs for Lundkvist.
- Florida gave us theirs unprotected for Chiarot
- Tampa traded theirs to Chicago

And it will increase at the trade deadline.
 
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Moving Edmunston Losing a lot of experience on the Blueline. Especially with 4 rookies this season
Unfortunately I value development over having to sit one kid every game because of veteran experience. This is a throwaway season. They have Matheson and Savard. That's enough for mentorship

My take away from all this is that you’re a guy who has multiple catch phrases
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My take away from all this is that you’re a guy who has multiple catch phrases
I try
 
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No, no, he was specific. He said Montreal was somewhere he'd really like to play.
Yes but it wasn’t the only place he would like to play… I remember had rewatch the interview a few time it at the time and by the 3rd I was like this is nothing it was to a direct question about playing in MTL it was kind of a awkward phrase he starting by saying probably and said he could talk about it since he hadn’t signed yet and Montreal was a city he would or could (can’t remember) like to play in… TVA sport blew it way out of proportion… Just like every time a French player might be available and he definitely what to come to MTL but somehow end up resigning somewhere else.
 

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Yes but it wasn’t the only place he would like to play… I remember had rewatch the interview a few time it at the time and by the 3rd I was like this is nothing it was to a direct question about playing in MTL it was kind of a awkward phrase he starting by saying probably and said he could talk about it since he hadn’t signed yet and Montreal was a city he would or could (can’t remember) like to play in… TVA sport blew it way out of proportion… Just like every time a French player might be available and he definitely what to come to MTL but somehow end up resigning somewhere else.

I think this is just you making a link between things that aren't related (i.e., each French-Canadian player is different, circumstances are different and desires are different). Of course Dubois would play somewhere else. It's his job. But on top of Brisson's statement, we have the following:

- Confirmation from Winnipeg's Athletic writer that Dubois has been open to others inside the Jets organization about his desire to play in Montreal.
- Winnipeg was aware of his desire to be in Montreal when they traded for him from Columbus. They thought they could get him to change his mind while they had his rights.
- David Savard confirming that Dubois would like to be in Montreal.
- Then other more minor things like Dubois thinking he'd be traded at the draft, other teams hesitating to go after him because they think he'll bolt once his rights are up, etc. Dubois' interview itself didn't do much to quell any sort of fire and rumor.

Dubois might or might not end up in Montreal. There's a ton of other factors in play. But trying to say that this is just a rumor or the media hyping something that isn't there is just blatantly wrong at this point. Period.
 

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Why would Edmonton trade for Klingberg? He did not want to sign with the oilers last summer.
Well unless he's got an NTC, they can get him as a rental for a PO push.

This is a bit of a weird rumor anyways, as Klingberg and Edmunson are practically on opposite ends of the spectrum. I dont follow EDM that closely but I doubt you look at both a PMD and a more D-minded dman as interchangeable options. Could be they need both types but one should be a priority imo.
 

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Well unless he's got an NTC, they can get him as a rental for a PO push.

This is a bit of a weird rumor anyways, as Klingberg and Edmunson are practically on opposite ends of the spectrum. I dont follow EDM that closely but I doubt you look at both a PMD and a more D-minded dman as interchangeable options. Could be they need both types but one should be a priority imo.
Agreed that Klingberg and Edmonton don’t make sense. Edm already has ample PMD. What they need is a shutdown D to insulate the offensive D they already have and steady the backend. May not be Edmundson but it’ll be a D like him that they acquire.
 
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I think this is just you making a link between things that aren't related (i.e., each French-Canadian player is different, circumstances are different and desires are different). Of course Dubois would play somewhere else. It's his job. But on top of Brisson's statement, we have the following:

- Confirmation from Winnipeg's Athletic writer that Dubois has been open to others inside the Jets organization about his desire to play in Montreal.
- Winnipeg was aware of his desire to be in Montreal when they traded for him from Columbus. They thought they could get him to change his mind while they had his rights.
- David Savard confirming that Dubois would like to be in Montreal.
- Then other more minor things like Dubois thinking he'd be traded at the draft, other teams hesitating to go after him because they think he'll bolt once his rights are up, etc. Dubois' interview itself didn't do much to quell any sort of fire and rumor.

Dubois might or might not end up in Montreal. There's a ton of other factors in play. But trying to say that this is just a rumor or the media hyping something that isn't there is just blatantly wrong at this point. Period.
If your gf ask if she look fat, there is only one good answer this is a similar type of situation. There is something there but at the same time Dubois, is agent even Savard can’t say that he doesn’t what to play in Montreal and that is for multiple reasons + he is also trying to force is way out of Winnipeg…Every UFA want to come to MTL because that $hit get traction in the media… There is something there but it is also nothing at the same time and the media isn’t making thing up but they are definitely over hyping every one of those situation in MTL and it is x10 when it is a French player, it is the same thing every time.
 

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I think trade freeze starts tomorrow. Might have some movement tonight

Unfortunately I value development over having to sit one kid every game because of veteran experience. This is a throwaway season. They have Matheson and Savard. That's enough for mentorship


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The “man with many catch phrases” is my favourite Bond film
 

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If your gf ask if she look fat, there is only one good answer this is a similar type of situation. There is something there but at the same time Dubois, is agent even Savard can’t say that he doesn’t what to play in Montreal and that is for multiple reasons + he is also trying to force is way out of Winnipeg…Every UFA want to come to MTL because that $hit get traction in the media… There is something there but it is also nothing at the same time and the media isn’t making thing up but they are definitely over hyping every one of those situation in MTL and it is x10 when it is a French player, it is the same thing every time.

Dude, Brisson literally started his statement by saying: 'Dubois doesn't currently have a contract, so I can say it.'

What the f*** more do you want?
 

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The price of a 1st in what people are calling the best draft since Mcdavid and has shades of the 2003 draft is going to be a lot different then the one where everyone panned as one of the worst.

from looking at the picks from 20th onward in the 2022 draft I see most of them as 3rd liners and long term projects. For a lot of GM's giving up a chance on those type of players is acceptable if a trade helps them in the playoffs.

Meanwhile looking at the upcoming draft I see a lot more potential in player ranked in the 20-40 range. There is definitely top 6 potential there. If GM's around the league also see that they will be less willing to give up picks. the players that get traded for them have to be very good players or a very good fit for there team.

Honestly I see this upcoming draft as one where most teams keep there 1st rounder. This deadline will be filled with a lot of 2nd rounders being traded.
While I agree with your assessment of this year's draft quality (from what I've read), I'm not sure the impact will be as significant as you anticipate.

It will certainly factor in the type of deals, but I wouldn't underestimate the pressure on some teams to win now or get that little bit of extra push in the hopes of making it further in the PO. It's a delicate balancing act that goes beyond draft good = don't trade 1st rounders.

Thinking of teams like Pens or Caps for instance, for which it's one of, if not the last opportunity to make a go at it with their current stars. I don't think they'll hold on to their 1sts necessarily, even though down the line it might end up being the safest decision.
 
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A Suzuki-Dubois, two top centers combo would be awesome. Add Beck on the third in a couple of years, and Habs are (finally) in business.

Maybe Dach will have to be part of a package to get Dubois ???
 
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