HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #81

[Runner77]

Except he wants to be a Hab since his Columbus days, probably before that. Habs even tried to get him at the draft so you know he would've been happy had that trade happened and BJ's didn't mess it up by taking him over Pulujarvi. Jets hoped to convince him otherwise but that doesn't seemed to have worked for them. Doubt another team blows a ton of assets on him and make the same mistake when he's UFA in 1.5 years.

If Dubois is pawned off as a trade deadline deal, why wouldn't he generate a great return? A first rounder and a good prospect at minimum, or more. A contending team will certainly pay for him as a playoff addition even without having the assurance that he may sign with them long term.

 

[Sterling Archer]

If Dubois is pawned off as a trade deadline deal, why wouldn't he generate a great return? A first rounder and a good prospect at minimum, or more. A contending team will certainly pay for him as a playoff addition even without having the assurance that he may sign with them long term.

I'm not saying he wouldn't get a good package. He wouldn't get a max trade package if the team acquiring can't re-sign him long term. As a rental, he'd get less than if they thought they could resign him. If I was an interested GM, that's what I'd be telling Cheveldayoff in any negotiation. So a 1st, good prospect etc. would certainly be on the table but you're not going to get a king's ransom for him like you would otherwise.

Take Vanek as an example where there was no market for him and Isles had to settle for two 2nds because everyone knew he wanted to go to Minny. Trouba only got a 1st and Pionk even though he'd have gotten more on the open market.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Dubois is pawned off as a trade deadline deal, why wouldn't he generate a great return? A first rounder and a good prospect at minimum, or more. A contending team will certainly pay for him as a playoff addition even without having the assurance that he may sign with them long term.

This would be at play if the Jets were not in a playoff spot this season. But if they are in the playoffs, they won't move him this season now.

Then you wonder what they do in the playoffs what the players think in terms of wanting to stay or leave. Dubois would have to be the 1st one to trust management that they are not rebuilding. I doubt he changes his mind at this stage but it's possible.

Jets are tracking rebuild when you look at the structure of contracts and term left. I think they would prefer to trade him on draft day vs waiting for 24 deadline. And that might be a dominos to follow where Scheifele is traded as a pending UFA as well.

Imagine if the Jets trade both Dubois and Scheifele this summer?

* Sakic buys time with a growing cap by getting the Jets to retain 50% on Scheifele. Newhook and their 2024 1st as a starting point. Gets Scheifele to extend in the following season when the cap is closer to $90M.

* Habs acquire Dubois with the Panthers pick, Dvorak, Harris, and Kidney.

Jets look to tank with Dvorak, Newhook still in development, and Toews signed? They add two 1st rounders from the Habs and Avs and also get youth with Harris and Kidney and possibly more from the Avs cause they are getting Scheifele at 50%.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Canadiens Defenceman On Edmonton Oilers’ Shopping List

The Montreal Canadiens aren’t outright shopping their veterans, but one of them is now confirmed to be on the Edmonton Oilers’ radar. On a recent segment of Insider Trading, NHL Insider Pierre Lebrun spoke about the growing inevitability of the Edmonton Oilers looking to trade for a defenceman...

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[The Great Weal]

watch all the talk of PLD and he won't be a hab.
seems always the way

It would suck but it can happen. He wants to play for a big market and the Bruins have an aging center core and he’s a Bruins type player. Would tear it up next to Marchand and Pasta. I’m hoping HuGo are playing their hands right by not being too stingy but still knowing that Dubois has expressed interest in coming here and leaving Winnipeg.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Apparently teams are interested in Edmundson:

Snapshots: O'Reilly, Edmundson, Schmidt


Personally, I'd love the Habs to trade that guy.

 

[Nedved]

Apparently teams are interested in Edmundson:

Snapshots: O'Reilly, Edmundson, Schmidt


Personally, I'd love the Habs to trade that guy.

It'll cost a 1st.

 

[Runner77]

This would be at play if the Jets were not in a playoff spot this season. But if they are in the playoffs, they won't move him this season now.

Then you wonder what they do in the playoffs what the players think in terms of wanting to stay or leave. Dubois would have to be the 1st one to trust management that they are not rebuilding. I doubt he changes his mind at this stage but it's possible.

Jets are tracking rebuild when you look at the structure of contracts and term left. I think they would prefer to trade him on draft day vs waiting for 24 deadline. And that might be a dominos to follow where Scheifele is traded as a pending UFA as well.

Imagine if the Jets trade both Dubois and Scheifele this summer?

* Sakic buys time with a growing cap by getting the Jets to retain 50% on Scheifele. Newhook and their 2024 1st as a starting point. Gets Scheifele to extend in the following season when the cap is closer to $90M.

* Habs acquire Dubois with the Panthers pick, Dvorak, Harris, and Kidney.

Jets look to tank with Dvorak, Newhook still in development, and Toews signed? They add two 1st rounders from the Habs and Avs and also get youth with Harris and Kidney and possibly more from the Avs cause they are getting Scheifele at 50%.

I realize a first rounder would have to be included in a package for Dubois but hopefully it wouldn't be the Panthers' pick.

If Hughes can nab a third first rounder this season, that's the one I'd hope they'd be transacting for Dubois as part of the outgoing package.

 

[Runner77]

Canadiens Defenceman On Edmonton Oilers’ Shopping List

The Montreal Canadiens aren’t outright shopping their veterans, but one of them is now confirmed to be on the Edmonton Oilers’ radar. On a recent segment of Insider Trading, NHL Insider Pierre Lebrun spoke about the growing inevitability of the Edmonton Oilers looking to trade for a defenceman...

montrealhockeynow.com

I remember a Renaud Lavoie report on interest in Edmundson, back on September 12th: https://www.tvasports.ca/2022/09/12/joel-edmundson-sur-son-depart

Renaud had said back then: “I know there’s a lot of interest across the league for a defenceman like Edmundson,” … “I don’t think he’ll be traded now, but I can tell you that there are some pretty attractive offers. They can continue to become even more attractive in the coming months.”

 

[Hansman]

1) Trade Eddy for two 2nd rounders. Retain a bit if you have too. Take whatever 2nd rounders you can get. Don't care if it's 24 and 25 drafts. Free up a little cap space and open up room on D for the youth to play more.

2) Extend Monahan but wait till he comes back playing. Possible extension around Feb. 3 or 4 years at $5M. He's earned $43.5M and another $15M or $20M will more than be enough. If he likes the Habs, he signs that deal. Probably what he gets offered this summer anyways (at max).

3) Dubois trade on Draft day.

* Panthers pick (10-20 range... after lottery)

* Dvorak. They would need depth at center with Dubois gone. Don't like Dvorak? Sure, but what they going to do instead? Try to sign Horvat? If Horvat says no.. then what? Toews? Up to them to decide. Lets say Dvorak stays with the Habs (for example). Imagine having Suzuki, PLD, Monahan, Dvorak up the middle next season?

* Grade B (one of Kidney, Kapanen, Tuch, Engstrom). Another approach is Harris if they want a young NHL player on D.

23 man roster with $4.2M in cap space (See below). Players like Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak expiring soon with a growing cap and key future RFA's to sign in Slaf, Dach, Guhle, Xhekaj. Expiring contracts with a growing cap sets us up well IMO. Some of those RFA's will be bridged and if they need a monster contract after that, that's when Gallagher's contract is near expiry. Monahan's 4 year term sets us up well for when Beck is possibly ready. 1 more CHL year, One AHL year, and starts in the NHL at 4C or 3C at age 21. Replaces Monahan at age 23.

Improved roster but still some tinkering to do in net and on D. Still got most of our draft power still in place.

love to see that 2nd line together,thats a lot of beef.

 

[rahad]

Do you really want to trade Florida 2023 draft pick for Dubois? If the Florida pick is in the #7-10. Hard pass for me.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Do you really want to trade Florida 2023 draft pick for Dubois? If the Florida pick is in the #7-10. Hard pass for me.

Depending on whether it's 10+, and if it's one for one I might consider it. 2023 1st for PLD like the Dach trade.

 

[HuGort]

Edmonton is really interested in acquiring Joel Edmundson. Per Pierre LeBrun

 

[The Great Weal]

Edmundson was a healthy scratch at times in the playoffs for the Blues, was average for the Canes, was great for us for a year playing with Petry but has been below average ever since the finals. You absolutely trade him if you can.

 

[Habs Halifax]

love to see that 2nd line together,thats a lot of beef.

Agreed. Slaf one year older too. Top 3 lines would be solid even with Hoffman and Armia on the Monahan line.

I'd be down with Suzuki / PLD / Monahan up the middle.

The ideal situation though is to trade Monahan for 1st and B prospect and sign PLD as a UFA. Next year could be another tank year in that case.

Edmundson was a healthy scratch at times in the playoffs for the Blues, was average for the Canes, was great for us for a year playing with Petry but has been below average ever since the finals. You absolutely trade him if you can.

Two 2nd rounders might be what we get. A 1st was possible but he's not trending as well as Chiarot did last season. Chiarot was very effective even without Weber.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I realize a first rounder would have to be included in a package for Dubois but hopefully it wouldn't be the Panthers' pick.

If Hughes can nab a third first rounder this season, that's the one I'd hope they'd be transacting for Dubois as part of the outgoing package.

Yeah, I actually prefer to sign him as a UFA but not sure how it plays out. My max offer is Panthers 1st (10-20), Harris, Kidney, and Dvorak on draft day. That offer lines up well vs what Debrincat and Trouba returned.

Rather not trade the Panthers pick but if that deal got Dubois, I'd do it. Might take us forever to find a center his quality to play with Suzuki and he's only 1 year older.

Panthers pick won't be traded until after the lottery. And they only way I would trade a future is for a long term core piece at a good age, which Dubois is.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'd leverage the Calgary 1st for Dubois.. I'm not touching that Florida pick now and I don't think HuGo is either.

They want a 3rd 2023 1st, as well.. I think they want to maximize the youth in system this year and then the additional picks in future years will become trade currency.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Do you really want to trade Florida 2023 draft pick for Dubois? If the Florida pick is in the #7-10. Hard pass for me.

It's more likely going to be 10-20 or 10-16 range. If it's 7-10 range, we think about it.

Let me ask you this question... What are the chances you find a center like Dubois in that 7-10 range?
Proven 2C in the NHL at age 24 (one year older than Suzuki)
vs
A 7-10 range dart that has a chance to be as good as Dubois

Ideally, we let him become a UFA and sign him for free but I'd have the Panthers pick at play. It might takes us years to find both a 2C and a puck moving RD that can run a PP. Fill one of the holes when you can... especially if the players is young like Suzuki.

Mesar and Heineman
vs
Toffoli

It's early but does either of Mesar and Heineman become top 6F? I value both of them a lot but that's the game you play when you go after draft power and futures. You have a shot at someone better than Toffoli but it's not guaranteed.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd leverage the Calgary 1st for Dubois.. I'm not touching that Florida pick now and I don't think HuGo is either.

They want a 3rd 2023 1st, as well.. I think they want to maximize the youth in system this year and then the additional picks in future years will become trade currency.

We are not trading the Panthers 1st pre lottery if that's what your implying. Are you saying no to trading the Panthers pick after lottery (10-20 range lets say) cause you think the Flames 1st will be higher in a later season? Or it's all about injecting guys now vs later? Romanov vs Nesar vs Dach. Dach is the obvious choice and Dubois vs 10-20 range is similar to me.

What if the only road block is the Jets want the 10-20 range pick in 2023 vs the Flames pick later? This makes the deal fall through? I doubt that would be the case. There is a chance the Flames pick might be better than the Panthers pick this draft. I actually think the opposite, I trade the 10-20 range pick cause you know where it is. I don't trade the Flames pick cause I don't know where it will be.

Something I ponder about is two massive holes. A top 2C and a top paring RD who can run a PP. How long will it take to fill both those holes? I say we fill one of them with Dubois and if it takes the Panthers pick, so be it. Then we target the last big hole at RD in the next few drafts.

If Dubois was 28+ today, I would steer clear of it.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I would 1000% trade the Florida pick for Dubois. Come on.

 

[Wateredgarden]

Ou wonder if Bourgault would be available for Edmunston?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Edmonton is really interested in acquiring Joel Edmundson. Per Pierre LeBrun

Really interested is not how I read that. More like circled him as one of their options.

I do think Edmundson gets traded but not sure if we get a 1st. If so, that will be a last min deal at deadline day.

Best play we can make is offer 50% retention and teams look at that $1.75M rate for two playoff runs and I think we get bites on that. Problem is if it's the Oilers, they are not making that move now.

My expectations is humble. I'm going to say we move Eddy at full cap hit for two 2nd rounders.

I would 1000% trade the Florida pick for Dubois. Come on.

Agreed. Especially if it's 10-20 range. Saying no to that idea is like thinking Nesar will be better than both Romanov and Dach.

It's not like Dubois is age 28+. That's a different story

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd pull the trigger on Edmundson the minute a 2023 1st is on the table and not a moment before that. There's no real rush, we can wait for a team to break, one always does in the end.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Edmundson was a healthy scratch at times in the playoffs for the Blues, was average for the Canes, was great for us for a year playing with Petry but has been below average ever since the finals. You absolutely trade him if you can.

I believe Edmundson was age 25 when he was with the Blues? I think he's a bit more experience now at age 29 right? That's like thinking Kulak at age 28 today is the same as when he was 25.

Average with the Canes? Is that a bad or good thing cause isn't that Eddy's game? Average type guy who does the boring stuff not many value?

Trending well with the Habs? NO. Not like Chiarot last season. But I think fans will dwell on that and think he is worse than Kulak. Not true. Teams know players show up in the playoffs and Eddy is that type.

I'd pull the trigger on Edmundson the minute a 2023 1st is on the table and not a moment before that. There's no real rush, we can wait for a team to break, one always does in the end.

Agreed but unless that team is a legit cup contender and in the top 5 or top 10 in the standings, they are not trading their 1st until they know more where it probably ends up.

Then combine the limited cap space. Teams are trying to hoard as much cap space as possible so their prorated space at the deadline is as much as they can get. It's a huge factor

Offers for Eddy are likely two 2nd rounders today. Something around that. I heard a rumor the Oilers offered a 2nd and 3rd. Can't remember where I read that though

 

[rahad]

It's more likely going to be 10-20 or 10-16 range. If it's 7-10 range, we think about it.

Let me ask you this question... What are the chances you find a center like Dubois in that 7-10 range?
Proven 2C in the NHL at age 24 (one year older than Suzuki)
vs
A 7-10 range dart that has a chance to be as good as Dubois

Ideally, we let him become a UFA and sign him for free but I'd have the Panthers pick at play. It might takes us years to find both a 2C and a puck moving RD that can run a PP. Fill one of the holes when you can... especially if the players is young like Suzuki.

Mesar and Heineman
vs
Toffoli

It's early but does either of Mesar and Heineman become top 6F? I value both of them a lot but that's the game you play when you go after draft power and futures. You have a shot at someone better than Toffoli but it's not guaranteed.

High chance. This is a very good draft year. Think about it like the 2015 draft.

Player like Barzal, Connor and Chabot has still available around the #15-19. You also can't compare it to the trade for Dach. We traded with Chicago before knowing who has still available at #15 position....

Will you do the same with Winnipeg? Trade our Florida pick before knowing who is still available around the #7-10? What the rush to get Dubois next year? Are we competing for a stanley cup in the next 2-3 years?

He could be available in 2 years? Why not draft the player in 2023 and try your luck in the 2024 summer for Dubois?

Maybe, if we win Bedard and the Florida pick is around the #15-25. We go all in for Dubois and accelerate the rebuild?