HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Benstheman]

We have no real idea if Montreal is advantaged. Huberdeau's preference was to re-sign with Florida. Huberdeau just gave the same hand wave to Montreal that every big name Quebecois player gives.

And Montreal has far more pressing issues than left wing. They have massive question marks in goal, no proven top pair (or even top-3) D-men. Spending over half of that space on a 30 year old winger is a terrible idea given how his game is likely to age. Unless of course there's a way to clear guys like Price completely off the cap sheet (not LTIRetired) for nothing.

And you don't need to preach RCA's to me, I've been arguing them on here for years.

What's RCA??

 

[Captain Mountain]

What's RCA??

retirement compensation arrangements.

 

[Benstheman]

retirement compensation arrangements.

Thanks. I didn't know such thing existed...

 

[absolute garbage]

It has higher probability of being a draft pick than a lottery pick. Probably says Dubois for his prime will be better value than whoever we pick with the Panthers pick. You can be in denial with that all you want.

We are not trading the Panthers pick for a 30+ aged player.

You can talk about the Panthers chances of slipping into a lottery pick all day long. It's wishful thinking and yeah, I'm not ignoring it. I've looked at it myself but the chances that is a top 5 pick is very slim!

Top 5 pick vs Dubois is different. Picks 6-10 is subjective and I still think Dubois's prime will be a better player than that range. It gets worse from 11+ in terms of that pick being better than Dubois's prime and 11+ is where probability increases on where that pick will be.

You have some kind of block in your brain. What about both, top whatever pick + Dubois? Is that better than just Dubois?

With a little bit of patience you can most likely have both. Come on.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I disagree. It's going to be a playoff draft pick. Thinking the Panthers pick will slip to lottery is a massive reach. I'd definitely use that piece in the package to get Dubois.

Dubois for his prime
vs
Panthers pick turning into someone better than Dubois?

Trading the Panthers pick for someone in their 30+ years would be dumb yeah.



100% agree. It's not the same situation

Dubois is great and would love to get him but i would make that pick top 10 protected i agree that Panthers should be a playoffs team but that defense isnt great and if Ekblad falls then they will be in BIG trouble and with zero 1st round picks until 2026 they wont have much options to go get someone else that can replace hes minutes

That San Jose pick to Ottawa showed us all that anything can happen in the NHL and imo Florida got worst by losing Weegar and Hubs even if i like Tkachuk and the atlantic divivsion aint no joke look our for Ottawa this year

 

[Habs13]

People here make me laugh... all this Dubois signed a contract! There's no trade! He's not coming! Relax!

A) he signed a ONE year deal. This time next, he'll be an RFA and either gets traded then, or signs another ONE year deal and comes to Montreal for free as a UFA.

B) This is a big one, kids... Habs have no money to spend! But several contracts come off the books at the end of this season, so the Habs can either trade for Dubois then, or wait another year and sign him for free.

All is well. This isn't a year we are looking to compete for a playoff spot anyway. This is a rebuild. In two years, when Dubois is a UFA, the Habs will be ready to compete again - and Dubois is a part of that.

There's a deep draft coming up and we have two potential great picks in it. Be happy! Damn!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dubois is great and would love to get him but i would make that pick top 10 protected i agree that Panthers should be a playoffs team but that defense isnt great and if Ekblad falls then they will be in BIG trouble and with zero 1st round picks until 2026 they wont have much options to go get someone else that can replace hes minutes

That San Jose pick to Ottawa showed us all that anything can happen in the NHL and imo Florida got worst by losing Weegar and Hubs even if i like Tkachuk and the atlantic divivsion aint no joke look our for Ottawa this year

I'd take the risk of trading the Panthers 1st in the package to get Dubois. Rather trade that piece than Dach.

Top 10 protection? I would not cause then our 24 pick would be at play and I see more risks with that than the Panthers pick

I totally get the Panthers may slip narrative. But thinking it will slip to top 5 or top 10 is a massive reach. Regardless, it has very low % it will be top 5 and 6+ is not likely to be better than Dubois for his prime years. That's how I see the risks

 

[BLONG7]

I'd take the risk of trading the Panthers 1st in the package to get Dubois. Rather trade that piece than Dach.

Top 10 protection? I would not cause then our 24 pick would be at play and I see more risks with that than the Panthers pick

I totally get the Panthers may slip narrative. But thinking it will slip to top 5 or top 10 is a massive reach. Regardless, it has very low % it will be top 5 and 6+ is not likely to be better than Dubois for his prime years. That's how I see the risks

Huberdeau and Trocheck gone............what if Barkov gets a knee injury?
We can hope eh.......

 

[Habs Halifax]

People here make me laugh... all this Dubois signed a contract! There's no trade! He's not coming! Relax!

A) he signed a ONE year deal. This time next, he'll be an RFA and either gets traded then, or signs another ONE year deal and comes to Montreal for free as a UFA.

B) This is a big one, kids... Habs have no money to spend! But several contracts come off the books at the end of this season, so the Habs can either trade for Dubois then, or wait another year and sign him for free.

All is well. This isn't a year we are looking to compete for a playoff spot anyway. This is a rebuild. In two years, when Dubois is a UFA, the Habs will be ready to compete again - and Dubois is a part of that.

There's a deep draft coming up and we have two potential great picks in it. Be happy! Damn!

We can trade for Dubois at any time if he price is right for us and the salary in matches the salary out.

Deep draft coming is always skewed. It's a deep top heavy draft yeah and that applies to our own pick way more than the Panthers 1st.

Just cause we are looking at more top 10 picks with our own picks, it don't mean we should have no interest in players like Huberdeau and Dubois. Imagine if the Rangers said no to Trouba, Fox, Panarin, and traded Kreider... cause they were "rebuilding".

 

[Andrei79]

Huberdeau and Trocheck gone............what if Barkov gets a knee injury?
We can hope eh.......

Trochek hasn't been a Panther for years now.

 

[BLONG7]

People here make me laugh... all this Dubois signed a contract! There's no trade! He's not coming! Relax!

A) he signed a ONE year deal. This time next, he'll be an RFA and either gets traded then, or signs another ONE year deal and comes to Montreal for free as a UFA.

B) This is a big one, kids... Habs have no money to spend! But several contracts come off the books at the end of this season, so the Habs can either trade for Dubois then, or wait another year and sign him for free.

All is well. This isn't a year we are looking to compete for a playoff spot anyway. This is a rebuild. In two years, when Dubois is a UFA, the Habs will be ready to compete again - and Dubois is a part of that.

There's a deep draft coming up and we have two potential great picks in it. Be happy! Damn!

One more bad year outta do it!

Hard to be patient.

Trochek hasn't been a Panther for years now.

Sorry that's right...........my bad............he left the Canes?

 

[Habs13]

One more bad year outta do it!

Hard to be patient.

Ten years of Bergevin! We can hack a few more now that there's a light at the end of the tunnel

 

[salbutera]

We have no real idea if Montreal is advantaged. Huberdeau's preference was to re-sign with Florida. Huberdeau just gave the same hand wave to Montreal that every big name Quebecois player gives.

And Montreal has far more pressing issues than left wing. They have massive question marks in goal, no proven top pair (or even top-3) D-men. Spending over half of that space on a 30 year old winger is a terrible idea given how his game is likely to age. Unless of course there's a way to clear guys like Price completely off the cap sheet (not LTIRetired) for nothing.

And you don't need to preach RCA's to me, I've been arguing them on here for years.

RCAs only a difference maker for US residents / green card holders / citizens, it’s meaningless for CDN players - Huberdeau is the extreme rare breed who’s a Quebecois but an American under the eyes of the Canada / US tax treaty.

Both a good hockey move (injection of high end proven offensive talent) and PR bonanza for Habs

 

[Habs13]

We can trade for Dubois at any time if he price is right for us and the salary in matches the salary out.

Deep draft coming is always skewed. It's a deep top heavy draft yeah and that applies to our own pick way more than the Panthers 1st.

Just cause we are looking at more top 10 picks with our own picks, it don't mean we should have no interest in players like Huberdeau and Dubois. Imagine if the Rangers said no to Trouba, Fox, Panarin, and traded Kreider... cause they were "rebuilding".

Patience is a virtue. There's no rush. Huberdeau and Dubois have both said they want to come here and both are UFA's soon. It's coming together nicely... no need to rush!

 

[McGees]

Hooby ain’t trying to come here like Dooby or Sooby.

 

[Richiebottles]

Hooby ain’t trying to come here like Dooby or Sooby.

What is he supposed to say?

'Yea, it's awful to be here, I'm excited to leave'....

 

[Captain Mountain]

RCAs only a difference maker for US residents / green card holders / citizens, it’s meaningless for CDN players - Huberdeau is the extreme rare breed who’s a Quebecois but an American under the eyes of the Canada / US tax treaty.

Both a good hockey move (injection of high end proven offensive talent) and PR bonanza for Habs

This is not correct.

 

[Habs13]

What is he supposed to say?

'Yea, it's awful to be here, I'm excited to leave'....

There are other posts saying he isn't happy about it too.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Dubois is great and would love to get him but i would make that pick top 10 protected i agree that Panthers should be a playoffs team but that defense isnt great and if Ekblad falls then they will be in BIG trouble and with zero 1st round picks until 2026 they wont have much options to go get someone else that can replace hes minutes

That San Jose pick to Ottawa showed us all that anything can happen in the NHL and imo Florida got worst by losing Weegar and Hubs even if i like Tkachuk and the atlantic divivsion aint no joke look our for Ottawa this year

This is exactly the sort of mystery box posts that people love to argue. Look at what happened between Ottawa and San Jose in decades of picks getting traded! We should expect that to repeat itself instead of actually acquiring the kind of player that that pick maybe will give us!

 

[McGees]

What is he supposed to say?

'Yea, it's awful to be here, I'm excited to leave'....

Yes.

 

[sampollock]

You just never know.

just think one, not 2... but hey hope I am wrong

 

[Habs13]

Yes.

Gaudreau and Tkchuk both wanted out of Calgary badly, and bolted. Maybe there's a reason why that is and maybe the same is true for Huberdeau in the near future too.

 

[absolute garbage]

I totally get the Panthers may slip narrative. But thinking it will slip to top 5 or top 10 is a massive reach. Regardless, it has very low % it will be top 5 and 6+ is not likely to be better than Dubois for his prime years. That's how I see the risks

But that's only one narrative. The chance of a total disaster in case it ends up being not a late 1st rounder.

You are completely ignoring the other narrative. Which is the absolute stupidity of spending any meaningful assets for Dubois when all signs seem to point to him being interested in signing in Montreal in 2 years as UFA.

The question you and everyone should be asking is what value would Dubois bring to this team the next 2 seasons. Are you expecting the team to contend next season or the one after, so that a player like Dubois in his prime would be crucial to have in the lineup?

Your Rangers example is a good one and literally proves the point AGAINST you, because they basically started tanking in 2017 and acquisitions like Panarin, Trouba and Fox came in 2019. So in fact Dubois to Montreal in 2024 (as UFA, for free) would be perfectly in line with that (since Montreal started tanking in 2022).

Again, what you are displaying here is 100% lack of patience. Only thing one can hope is that the management has more of it than you.

 

[sampollock]

What is he supposed to say?

'Yea, it's awful to be here, I'm excited to leave'....

ya for sure... he said what he needed to say.... but he won't sign there

 

[Spring in Fialta]

But that's only one narrative. The chance of a total disaster in case it ends up being not a late 1st rounder.

You are completely ignoring the other narrative. Which is the absolute stupidity of spending any meaningful assets for Dubois when all signs seem to point to him being interested in signing in Montreal in 2 years as UFA.

The question you and everyone should be asking is what value would Dubois bring to this team the next 2 seasons. Are you expecting the team to contend next season or the one after, so that a player like Dubois in his prime would be crucial to have in the lineup?

Your Rangers example is a good one and literally proves the point AGAINST you, because they basically started tanking in 2017 and acquisitions like Panarin, Trouba and Fox came in 2019. So in fact Dubois to Montreal in 2024 (as UFA, for free) would be perfectly in line with that (since Montreal started tanking in 2022).

Again, what you are displaying here is 100% lack of patience. Only thing one can hope is that the management has more of it than you.

The colossal irony of someone calling stupid spending assets on Dubois and then pulling the get him for free in two years card. Holy hell.