HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[BLONG7]

Compare Weber’s contribution to that of Makar or even Hedman and it’s night and day

Absolutely agree.............Weber was a great shutdown guy, but almost zero offense.

 

[Miller Time]

Because if you are platooning, you need two of them.

I see. I'd expect/hope that one of Monty/Primeau/Dobes et. is platoon capable over the next 2-3 years.

If that's the perceived level of goaltending required, it's an easy fix either internally or via ufa/trade as needed.

 

[salbutera]

Bitch as in a gofer or bitch as in Bubba's plaything while he's in prison.

The latter, thinking was $25M can buy a lot of therapy (remember 20-year olds in a beer bash thinking…)

 

[Miller Time]

Sure but St-Louis also won the cup without any real generational players and it's not like Binnington just got hot at the right time given his SV% was 0.914 and GAA of 2.46 during the playoffs.

Now obviously if we have the chance to get a true #1 G/D we should do it but we shouldn't resign ourselves to tanking until then either. You can build a winner without those types of players though it is harder.

Funny you reference St Louis... That's where my post originated BC I view Suzuki as capable of matching the #1C impact ROR provided St Louis in their cup run...

That St Louis team had a top 5-10 #1D and Binnington gave them top tier #1G performance that year heading into & during the POs.

In the absence of a generational talent at any position, Suzuki & the core pieces we have in place will need reinforcement at #1D &/or #1G if contending in the next few years is going to happen... That's my perspective.

 

[salbutera]

...if that were the case, I imagine HuGo would have already moved him...Zito panicked at the Deadline and gave waaaaaayy too much for Shyterot's reputation...doubt any other GM right now would be as moronic...

Bet you this guy would…

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Bet you this guy would…

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...then we need to hit that motherf**ker up...Ottawa isn't guaranteed a PO spot, so if he's dumb enough to do it (even Top 5/10 protected), then it's Go Time for Mr. Ed...

 

[Sorinth]

Funny you reference St Louis... That's where my post originated BC I view Suzuki as capable of matching the #1C impact ROR provided St Louis in their cup run...

That St Louis team had a top 5-10 #1D and Binnington gave them top tier #1G performance that year heading into & during the POs.

In the absence of a generational talent at any position, Suzuki & the core pieces we have in place will need reinforcement at #1D &/or #1G if contending in the next few years is going to happen... That's my perspective.

The thing is Binnington was good but his numbers were actually pretty average, he played great but it's not like he carried the team like a true top tier #1 G does. What St-Louis showed was you don't really need those generational players so long as everyone is more or less "hot" at the same time. For reference there's no way Pietrangelo was a top 5-10 defenceman that year, but he was certainly "hot" when it counted.

 

[Hins77]

How about Brandt Clarke for Mysak + Roy ??

I would do it any day, but Lak won’t. A futur top dman vs at best a guy like toffoli on his prime and a bottom 6 player in mysak. Clarke been selected at 8th pick

 

[Miller Time]

The thing is Binnington was good but his numbers were actually pretty average, he played great but it's not like he carried the team like a true top tier #1 G does. What St-Louis showed was you don't really need those generational players so long as everyone is more or less "hot" at the same time. For reference there's no way Pietrangelo was a top 5-10 defenceman that year, but he was certainly "hot" when it counted.

Pietrangelo was concencus top 10 dman, 6th or 7th on most rankings I looked at (for whatever those are worth) heading into 2019 season...

Binnington was 5th in Vezina voting & 10th in Hart voting for the 18-19 year... He was performing clearly at a top tier #1G level that season.

I disagree with your take on St.Louis. If anything, they were an example of how to build a roster that can win without a generational talent...

Problem for them is that Binnington couldn't keep up his 18-19 level, then they lost Pietrangelo... That model doesn't work without the top tier #1D & #1G

 

[calder candidate]

We need to get rid of a winger ASAP the 1st guy out should be Dadonov...

there is only a few team that have cap space and could use a middle 6 winger.

Wpg - likely on is no trade
Ott - not sure if he want to go back or if the want if back
Min -
Dal -
Chi - probably ain't looking to add
Det - propably looking for a C
Buf -

 

[Adriatic]

We definitely have to unload some forwards. I think we have more than 50 million committed to the forward positions and that's too much for a rebuilding team.

 

[Belial]

We definitely have to unload some forwards. I think we have more than 50 million committed to the forward positions and that's too much for a rebuilding team.

We're losing Dadonov, Monahan, Drouin, and Byron after this season that's over 20M$ in cap space.

 

[Adriatic]

We're losing Dadonov, Monahan, Drouin, and Byron after this season that's over 20M$ in cap space.

For sure. I was just thinking during the season it's hard for Hughes to make moves with so much money committed. I'm scared that committing 50 million to the forwards will hinder our chances of finishing lower in the standings. When you look at all 4 lines top to bottom it's a decent group.

 

[Belial]

For sure. I was just thinking during the season it's hard for Hughes to make moves with so much money committed. I'm scared that committing 50 million to the forwards will hinder our chances of finishing lower in the standings. When you look at all 4 lines top to bottom it's a decent group.

The problem is that all the good teams have zero cap space and all the teams with cap space will ask for a sweetener to take on salary so we're kinda stuck with our guys.

And I agree with you, if guys are able to rebound somewhat or just play at a decent level, we're pretty loaded upfront...

 

[Adriatic]

The problem is that all the good teams have zero cap space and all the teams with cap space will ask for a sweetener to take on salary so we're kinda stuck with our guys.

And I agree with you, if guys are able to rebound somewhat or just play at a decent level, we're pretty loaded upfront...

Worst nightmare would be defense or goalies overachieving and somehow we are fighting for playoffs in 8-9-10 spots.

 

[Belial]

Worst nightmare would be defense or goalies overachieving and somehow we are fighting for playoffs in 8-9-10 spots.

I hope HuGo will be smart enough to still sell at the TDL even if we in some miraculous way are in the mix for a PO spot.

 

[26Mats]

For sure. I was just thinking during the season it's hard for Hughes to make moves with so much money committed. I'm scared that committing 50 million to the forwards will hinder our chances of finishing lower in the standings. When you look at all 4 lines top to bottom it's a decent group.

Our goaltending is pretty bad.

If our young guys aren't ready to be good right way as rookies, then the defense is bad.

Our forwards are a random a collection of forwards as I can ever recall seeing. It's as if one GM was looking to win all his trades and for individual bargains instead of a talented, cohesive 12 man unit, and then was replace by a GM who realized he had no choice but to rebuild by trading forwards with trade value and taking on bad contracts for draft picks and future cap flexibility, instead of trying to build a win now talented, cohesive forward corps...

 

[ReHabs]

I hope HuGo will be smart enough to still sell at the TDL even if we in some miraculous way are in the mix for a PO spot.

I think it’s pretty bad to sell if you’re in playoff spots. It must be demoralizing for the coach and players, discouraging for paying fans, and it would lead to you having a pick around 10-15 as opposed to 15-20… hardly worth the difference.

 

[Belial]

I think it’s pretty bad to sell if you’re in playoff spots. It must be demoralizing for the coach and players, discouraging for paying fans, and it would lead to you having a pick around 10-15 as opposed to 15-20… hardly worth the difference.

But you will not get all those assets by selling guys like Dadonov, Monahan, Drouin, and company!

What for? To get probably eliminated in the first round?

This would be the same story as when Bergevin took over in 2012.

That team was supposed to be bad but they overachieved and instead of going forward with a rebuild, they changed course...

 

[ReHabs]

But you will not get all those assets by selling guys like Dadonov, Monahan, Drouin, and company!

What for? To get probably eliminated in the first round?

This would be the same story as when Bergevin took over in 2012.

That team was supposed to be bad but they overachieved and instead of going forward with a rebuild, they changed course...

Good point.

I think in 2012 Bergevin should've bought not sold, if he planned to sell he should've done it that preceding summer or the succeeding summer (instead he gave Desharnais a new contract, acquired Colby Armstrong and George Parros and Douglas Murray...).

 

[Belial]

Good point.

I think in 2012 Bergevin should've bought not sold, if he planned to sell he should've done it that preceding summer or the succeeding summer (instead he gave Desharnais a new contract, acquired Colby Armstrong and George Parros and Douglas Murray...).

Naaah, the right path at that point was to sell at the TDL but because the team overachieved they went for it.

 

[Vachon23]

Naaah, the right path at that point was to sell at the TDL but because the team overachieved they went for it.

I wouldn’t call trading for Drewiskie as going all in

 

[Belial]

I wouldn’t call trading for Drewiskie as going all in

They didn't sell at the TDL! Geez, how come is these so hard to understand?

 

[Vachon23]

They didn't sell at the TDL! Geez, how come is these so hard to understand?

Sell who ? Only Ryder was UFA that year

We had Price/Subban/Pacioretty entering there prime, we where not rebuilding with those pieces. The problem is the opposit, he didn’t buy enough for the 2014-2016 strech when the Habs was one of the best team in the league.

 

[Belial]

Sell who ? Only Ryder was UFA that year

A first-rounder is already better than nothing...