HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Vachon23]

How did they overachieve in 2012-2013? If anything, they ended up proving they didn't. ECF and 2nd in the conference the next two seasons after that. Bergevin should have started making major moves starting in 2013-2014. He got Vanek and Petry but running Desharnais at the no.1 was inexcusable.



The 2015 TDL was criminal. Petry was good but I can't believe he got zero scoring help. Of course, we get through Ottawa despite a lack of goals and then lose to Tampa despite playing a pretty good series. Just had no finish.

Or the 2013-14-15 off-season where they should have found that missing piece

 

[Belial]

@Vachon23 @Spring in Fialta @ExpatHabs

Let's just agree to disagree, I don't want to spend all my day arguing knowing that we will never reach a consensus.

Cheers.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The team was in limbo, and he said he wouldn't sacrifice the future for now...

Honestly, that team was not a contender when you look at it on paper, I don't blame him for not going all in.

Who cares? MB should gave given the big FU to Molson and trade all his draft picks to build a contender since he couldn't rebuild.

 

[FerrisRox]

He never traded a 1st or a top prospect either.

He traded Mikhail Sergachev who was most definitely a top prospect.

 

[Whalers Fan]

You wouldn’t get a 1st for Ryder

Add Halak and a 2nd rounder, though, and you could get the world!

 

[HabzSauce]

But, but..what about all those great draft picks that TT made before MB ruined his reputation? Surely those guys could have been traded for quality players.
(now THAT'S sarcasm )

Wasn't poehling rumored to be packaged to Buffalo for ROR?

 

[lamp9post]

To Vegas: Jake Allen

To Montreal: Robin Lehner + '23 1st round pick

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the plan is that Suz, CC, and Slaf are going to be the up-and-coming core of the future Habs then drafting D will be out of sync with that plan. They can't draft the D. They will have to trade for young Ds that are 2, 3, or 4 years removed from their draft selection.

Why? Well, I'm glad you asked.

We know it takes 3, or 4 years for D to make it to the big show. Add another 2, or 3 years to reach their peak. So if they draft great D prospects as early as 2023 it'll only be in 2029, or 2030 before they see those D prospects bloom into bonafide studs. Guess what age Suz and CC will be in 2030?

So Hugo will have to trade for those stud Ds to keep in sync with his forward group.

And we'll make no mention of the goaltending situation if Primeau doesn't develop into a stud starter.

If Hugo doesn't plan this properly they'll end up doing the same thing to Suz and CC that Bergevin did to Price.

We are not going to fix our D issues with trades or UFA signings. We can try but it's very difficult. Best to focus on the draft.

Slaf is only 18. You can draft a D next year and he will be 1 year behind him. Suzuki/Caufield/Dach and some of our current D will get older but the back end (Slaf and others) can grow together. Think about the age of Suzuki/Caufield/Dach when then are 25-30 range and then how old Slaf and others we draft are. It's not a massive age gap range.

Wasn't poehling rumored to be packaged to Buffalo for ROR?

Yes, I think it was Poehling and a 1st rounder (maybe Caufield or KK).... depending on when the trade was made.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Whitesnake]

Norlinder + something for Lundqvist.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He traded Mikhail Sergachev who was most definitely a top prospect.

Easy to say today vs back when when he played just 4 NHL games. Top prospect like KK or Slaf? That's difficult to know but in hindsight, it's easy to speak towards knowing what has happened. I recall a lot of posters talking about his game and had concerns.

 

[FerrisRox]

Easy to say today vs back when when he played just 4 NHL games. Top prospect like KK or Slaf? That's difficult to know but in hindsight, it's easy to speak towards knowing what has happened. I recall a lot of posters talking about his game and had concerns.

A lot of posters here say all kinds of idiotic things and have "concerns" that doesn't mean anything.

There is no credible argument that Mikhail Sergachev wasn't a top prospect at the time of the trade.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

A lot of posters here say all kinds of idiotic things and have "concerns" that doesn't mean anything.

There is no credible argument that Mikhail Sergachev wasn't a top prospect at the time of the trade.

6'3 LHD 220 Pounds offensive minded top 10 draft pick. He had tons of value , we got fleeced. Even if he ended up a bust his value at the time was huge imo

 

[Habs Halifax]

A lot of posters here say all kinds of idiotic things and have "concerns" that doesn't mean anything.

There is no credible argument that Mikhail Sergachev wasn't a top prospect at the time of the trade.

Nah... He was a good prospect but it was too early to know if he was a top prospect or legit grade A at that point in time. He could have had a road like KK and Chucky but you are ignoring that cause you know what happened. Hindsight evaluation.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Nah... He was a good prospect but it was too early to know if he was a top prospect or legit grade A at that point in time. He could have had a road like KK and Chucky but you are ignoring that cause you know what happened. Hindsight evaluation.

No he was a bluechip prospect right off the bat. 2nd Dman to go in his draft. Size and offensive flair. Bluechip 100% AINEC

Him actually becoming good down the road has nothing to do with the value he had at the time

 

[smirob]

I really think we need to grab Lundqvist....he fits the build well and can come into the fold this year.....

Mysak with a slight add for Lundqvist would be fine by me.....we are in good shape at fwd and probably fairly set with a bottom 5 pick next year.

 

[Vachon23]

I really think we need to grab Lundqvist....he fits the build well and can come into the fold this year.....

Mysak with a slight add for Lundqvist would be fine by me.....we are in good shape at fwd and probably fairly set with a bottom 5 pick next year.

No organizations know him better then the Habs, so I will trust HuGo on that if he’s really worth it

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

It would be nice to do a two birds with one stone move and clear some cap space as well but Lundqvist is a good enough prospect that getting him in any way is a win in itself. Even a prospect for a prospect of equal value deal would be good IMO.

 

[FerrisRox]

Nah... He was a good prospect but it was too early to know if he was a top prospect or legit grade A at that point in time. He could have had a road like KK and Chucky but you are ignoring that cause you know what happened. Hindsight evaluation.

No hindsight here... this is from the day of the trade where he's characterized as "a standout defensemen"

Lightning acquire standout defenseman in Mikhail Sergachev | Tampa Bay Lightning

The No. 9 pick from 2016 comes to Tampa Bay in a deal that sent Jonathan Drouin to Montreal

www.nhl.com

This is a bizarre stance you are taking here. Are we really trying to pretend that Mikhail Sergachev wasn't a top prospect for the Canadiens?

Why on earth would the the ninth overall selection from the previous years draft not have been a top prospect for Montreal?

 

[calder candidate]

Nah... He was a good prospect but it was too early to know if he was a top prospect or legit grade A at that point in time. He could have had a road like KK and Chucky but you are ignoring that cause you know what happened. Hindsight evaluation.

Knowing what happened doesn’t change the facts and context of the time…
-Segachev was one of the top LD not playing in the NHL, if not the best.
-We lost 3 NHL caliber LD in the same offseason, so we had a immediate need.
-LD wasn’t a position of strength for MTL, TB on the other hand and plenty of top 6 wingers.
-TB had cap issue couldn’t resign Drouin
-Drouin had requested a trade and held out before, he was the odd man odd in TB.
-TB had issue with expansion draft, trading Drouin able them to protect a other player they actually wanted to keep.
- Drouin was just as much of a PR move than a hockey move
- We added a conditional 2nd(the conditions wasn’t meet) which ended up being #35 Ylonen

Drouin could have made something and might have been a safer bet than Segachev but at the same time there were plenty of red flags + if he wasn’t a Qc born player I don’t think MB make that deal…

If we had traded Lehkonen for a 6rd round pick it is a horrible trade, if Lehkonen get injured instead being a playoff hero, it doesn’t make it a good trade.

Everyone seem to be saying that CGY did great after getting Huberdeau, Weeger and Kadri, saving what started up to be a pretty bad offseason but in 3 years they will be horrible or at least on a very step decline and stuck with a bunch of bad contract, so unless they win a cup in the next 2 seasons those move will be consider horrible by the same people that think these are good move, not seeing that those move were desperate move to try to make up for Gaudreau and Tkachuk not wanting to resign… just like the Drouin trade was a desperate move since Radulov wasn’t resigning… when you aren’t dealing from a position of strength or you are the team that is the most desperate to make the trade the odd are very low that you end up getting the best of the trade.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Wonder if Nic Hague is on the Habs radar at all. He plays left but have enough LD who play right and guys like Edmundson who’ll probably be traded soon, that it might make sense to bring in another colossal D.

 

[sampollock]

Kent will wait till end of camp , before anything changes

 

[Runner77]

Wonder if Nic Hague is on the Habs radar at all. He plays left but have enough LD who play right and guys like Edmundson who’ll probably be traded soon, that it might make sense to bring in another colossal D.

On Sept. 12th, Renaud Lavoie reported that the Habs have received huge offers for Edmundson: Des offres alléchantes pour Joel Edmundson - TVA Sports

If those offers keep ramping up, might Hughes be prompted to make a move before the start of the season?

 

[sampollock]

On Sept. 12th, Renaud Lavoie had reported that the Habs have received huge offers for Edmundson: Des offres alléchantes pour Joel Edmundson - TVA Sports

If those offers keep ramping up, might Hughes be prompted to make a move before the start of the season?

Good point
Come spring cash in

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

On Sept. 12th, Renaud Lavoie had reported that the Habs have received huge offers for Edmundson: Des offres alléchantes pour Joel Edmundson - TVA Sports

If those offers keep ramping up, might Hughes be prompted to make a move before the start of the season?

...the problem with trading him right now is that it's puts too many "unknowns" into our D core and removes one of the biggest voices in the room...the offer would have to be quite the overpayment, imo...

Wonder if Nic Hague is on the Habs radar at all. He plays left but have enough LD who play right and guys like Edmundson who’ll probably be traded soon, that it might make sense to bring in another colossal D.

...if Vegas is dumb enough to be forced to lose Hague, hopefully HuGo will at least make an offer...