HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Scriptor]

So I guess Montreal is a legitimate spot for top free agents after all!

Was, you mean.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

So I guess Montreal is a legitimate spot for top free agents after all!

It always has been...Montreal doesn't struggle to sign free agents. How do you think we've had to acquire a lot of our good players, considering we can't develop worth a shit?

 

[montreal]

Would you guys pay 2024 2nd to trade Hoffman to a cap floor team like Arizona or Anaheim?

As for PLD - What about Dvorak, 2023 FLA 1st, RHP & Ylonen?

no way. Not giving up a 2nd to trade a contract during the rebuild and not giving up an unprotected 1st for PLD. If we were close to contending that would be different but the new rebuild just started.

 

[417]

Would you guys pay 2024 2nd to trade Hoffman to a cap floor team like Arizona or Anaheim?

As for PLD - What about Dvorak, 2023 FLA 1st, RHP & Ylonen?

I don't like liquidating assets like that in the current situation the Habs are in.

I mean, if they're dead set on acquiring PLD and that's what they have to do in order to not only trade for him but to sign him to an extension.

I suppose I would, but that ultimately means you've traded

Dvorak, Hoffman, RHP, Ylonen, 2023 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick for PLD.

The aggregate of that trade isn't ideal.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

You're right that the shift was overblown. Tortorella himself even said it wasn't about that one shift. Torts said afterwards it was 5 consecutive games full of effortless shifts like that that got him benched and he was tired of hearing PLD say he must be better but not put his words into action.

PLD had a series full of shifts like that when the Jets got swept by the Habs only 13 months ago. He'll want out of Montreal so fast once the lunatic Montreal media holds him accountable!

There might have been a few instances in the past where the effort looked low, but in general, Dubois is someone who competes every game.
Look at these posts from the jets board:

None of us are in the locker room, so what is really going on in there is pure speculation. What all of us fans can see is on-ice performance and effort. He came to work and compete every night. Which cannot be said for others on that team.

When has Dubois lacked effort? He struggled in his first season but it wasn't for lack of effort

You have to look at what Laine was and would have been for the Jets had they kept him.

He was mopey, uninterested and not really producing. He was likely to bolt as soon as he could.

Even if PLD is also likely to bolt as soon as possible, he brings a strong effort to his game, and competes all over the ice. That's something we did not have with Laine.

I think even with the developing drama with PLD and not knowing what we might get in a deal for him, we are still in a better spot than we would have been had we held on to PL

We were never forced to trade Laine to Columbus. His value was so low that all he could return was a disgruntled player. Like was said above Dubois is a lot more useful that Laine and brings more effort and consistency game to game even while he wants out and fills a position of need. Scoring goals was never our issue, team defence was and Laine contributed zilch to that effect,

Dubois showed good effort for most of this past year - although he tailed off drastically the last 25ish games.

Besides one shift in Columbus that is wildly overstated, Dubois has demonstrated a lot of effort and team play in his game. It's illogical to expect any different going forward.

Yes, Dubois was one of the very few Jets last season who brought 100% effort every shift, and this is why so many liked him and were talking about him being the next captain and leader of a new core. It appears that all the stuff we're hearing about now was already going on last year (i.e. wanting to go to Montreal or wherever, no intention of signing long-term in Winnipeg) so, I don't see why he still isn't a great player for the next two years or until we trade him.

I don't like what's going on BUT I'll take Dubois' effort all day every day for two years over Scheifele dogging it for the same amount of time (they'll both be UFA in 2025 and although Schiefele's camp hasn't leaked stuff like Dubois' has, his pissy end of year press conference does not inspire hope in me that he wants to stay any longer that PLD does).

Also, media/fanbase pressure has nothing to do with Dubois requesting a trade.

 

[Guy Larose]

 

[Kosseca]

Would you guys pay 2024 2nd to trade Hoffman to a cap floor team like Arizona or Anaheim?

As for PLD - What about Dvorak, 2023 FLA 1st, RHP & Ylonen?

That is too rich for the market right now I think.

PLD's value is similar to a UFA rental at the trade deadline. Not a single team in the NHL will be willing to offer more to Winnipeg since there is such a strong vibe that he only wants to play in MTL. So... Winnipeg shouldn't expect more.

I anticipate that a deal here would build on Dvorak + high pick and B-prospect. 2x prospect is too much, unless the pick is a 2nd round one.

Now in terms of making room under the cap for him, that is less of an issue. I personally approach the deal like this: tell PLD to sign a 1yr 6mill contract, with the idea that he'll get a long term, 8mill contract next year when douin/dandono and other contract are moved. For this to work, and with Dvorak gone, you need about 3mill of additional space. Byron may be on LTIR for a while, that is enough to start the season, after, you can work manage with additional LTIR or you do a trade in a more favorable terms. There is ZERO need to trade Hoffman with a 2nd round pick. If you need to pay to trade a player, that would be an Armia +3th or 4th at best.

 

[HuGort]

Hey guys, I just heard from multiple serious sources that PLD may be traded in the coming months. Winnipeg will analyze the situation and won't bend to make a quick trade - they'll only do one if it helps their team moving forward. There is a strong chance that Montreal will attempt to trade for PLD, so look out for that! I also hear that Dach and/or Anderson may be of interest to Winnipeg, but that Montreal really likes both of them & likely won't move either for Dubois...

Also, Calgary is in a similar situation with Tkachuk. They want to make sure they get the right return. Talks are heating up - talk is that Tkachuk likely wants to play for US team. I keep hearing St. Louis. But there is also another team, figuring out which at this moment, that is making a strong push for Tkachuk. There is also talks that Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver have some interest in him & the feeling might be mutual. That being said, Calgary is in no way pressed to make a trade for the sake of making one & will wait for the right return.

Kadri is on the verge of signing. It could happen any day now. I'm hearing Colorado, Calgary, Boston, NYC, Montreal, Vancouver, and an unknown team that will be making their final pitch, as Kadri makes his selection. Toronto is also in the mix, there is mutual respect and interest in returning with the Leafs. I'm hearing he'll sign north of 7m, possibly north of 8m per season.

Lastly, there is a 50/50 chance a UFA signing or a trade goes down in the following 24 hours. I can't say more, and which player is being traded - everything's pretty hush-hush.

Please follow me on Twitter and be the 1st to learn what may go down before it actually does. My track record is spotless: I'm 0 for 0. Here is the link to my Twitter account:

Spoiler

Tkachuk go to Rangers most likely. They have the pieces Calgary would want. Gives them inside track anyway. Lafrieniere I imagine. Kakko I doubt will get it done

 

[Deebs]

Tkachuk go to Rangers most likely. They have the pieces Calgary would want. Gives them inside track anyway. Lafrieniere I imagine. Kakko I doubt will get it done

The price will be significant

 

[HuGort]

The price will be significant

Lafrieniere will get Calgary's spider senses tingling

 

[Deebs]

Lafrieniere will get Calgary's spider senses tingling

It will fit sure but then what other pieces get added.

 

[waitin425]

It will fit sure but then what other pieces get added.

Something small I would guess. Laf has the ability to reach beyond Tkachuk. Outside shot at this point....but he is super enticing after that playoff performance.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

no way. Not giving up a 2nd to trade a contract during the rebuild and not giving up an unprotected 1st for PLD. If we were close to contending that would be different but the new rebuild just started.

It's Florida's pick, not ours. How high do you think that pick could possibly go?

 

[Deebs]

Something small I would guess. Laf has the ability to reach beyond Tkachuk. Outside shot at this point....but he is super enticing after that playoff performance.

Something small.....I don't think so Tim. There will be numerous teams trying to get him which should crank up the price.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Tkachuk go to Rangers most likely. They have the pieces Calgary would want. Gives them inside track anyway. Lafrieniere I imagine. Kakko I doubt will get it done

It looks like Tkachuk wants to either go to St.Louis or a state with no income-tax (or very low income-tax). It's not surprising considering the Tkachuk seems to be all about maximizing dollars and nothing else. New York would not be a fit.

 

[HomeAndHome]

Seems to me the first goal is to create some cap space in order to sign Dach and open trade avenues/FA signings, here's my take on MTLs options for cap space.

Moveable contracts via trade:
Dadonov (1 yr) - teams like Chi who could use NHL players, or hold until TDL
Hoffman (2 yr) - teams that could use more firepower to bolster PP such as Clb, Min, NYI, (Calgary?). Or TDL when injuries and standings are more known
Armia (3 yr) - I wonder if Bos would be interested in a big body to help until some players are back from injury. CLB, NSH, NJ could be trade partners. NJ could really use some size up front.
Drouin - TDL?
Allen - TDL?

Positive trade value that could be used to bring in talent (PLD or other)
Anderson (5 yr) - GMs still value his size, speed. Really don't see him moving unless a big piece coming back.
Dvorak (3 yr) - still a very useful player in the right role. Don't mind holding to help Dach find his game and maybe increase his own value.

LTIR
Byron (1 yr) - might be his last yr in the NHL unfortunately if his body can't rebound.
Price - well... we'll see

Not Moveable
Gallagher - no choice but to hold and hope he can turn it around


If cap space is opened up this summer, I wouldn't mind bringing in another short term vet to help the defense this year. It's going to be a tough year for the goalies with our defense, an injury or two and it's close to yikes territory.
Subban?
Stralman?
Russell? The NHL block king

Let me know if you see anyone differently or other defense options, hard for the forwards to be exciting this year if they're stuck in their own end.

 

[Runner77]

That is too rich for the market right now I think.

PLD's value is similar to a UFA rental at the trade deadline. Not a single team in the NHL will be willing to offer more to Winnipeg since there is such a strong vibe that he only wants to play in MTL. So... Winnipeg shouldn't expect more.

I anticipate that a deal here would build on Dvorak + high pick and B-prospect. 2x prospect is too much, unless the pick is a 2nd round one.

Now in terms of making room under the cap for him, that is less of an issue. I personally approach the deal like this: tell PLD to sign a 1yr 6mill contract, with the idea that he'll get a long term, 8mill contract next year when douin/dandono and other contract are moved. For this to work, and with Dvorak gone, you need about 3mill of additional space. Byron may be on LTIR for a while, that is enough to start the season, after, you can work manage with additional LTIR or you do a trade in a more favorable terms. There is ZERO need to trade Hoffman with a 2nd round pick. If you need to pay to trade a player, that would be an Armia +3th or 4th at best.

I agree with others that Dubois wanting to play in Montreal only will limit Peg’s options — perhaps the parties get back to that initial 3-player offer the Habs made as a means of finding common ground. As I understand it, the Jets were interested in that package but then nixed it — so there might be the foundation for a deal if the parties keep tweaking it.

 

[xposbrad]

no way. Not giving up a 2nd to trade a contract during the rebuild and not giving up an unprotected 1st for PLD. If we were close to contending that would be different but the new rebuild just started.

It's as if people forget what we are working with and think 1 year was enough to rebuild. Forgetting the 25+ years the small patch jobs never worked. A lot of fans don't care to win the cup, they just want us to be competitive again. Then some fans, understand that patience will pay off and not all our prospects will develop but we should aim for a high pick in a very deep draft and possibly even the following year.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Dubois is a free agent.

He's a "restricted" free agent.

 

[HabzSauce]

That is too rich for the market right now I think.

PLD's value is similar to a UFA rental at the trade deadline. Not a single team in the NHL will be willing to offer more to Winnipeg since there is such a strong vibe that he only wants to play in MTL. So... Winnipeg shouldn't expect more.

I anticipate that a deal here would build on Dvorak + high pick and B-prospect. 2x prospect is too much, unless the pick is a 2nd round one.

Now in terms of making room under the cap for him, that is less of an issue. I personally approach the deal like this: tell PLD to sign a 1yr 6mill contract, with the idea that he'll get a long term, 8mill contract next year when douin/dandono and other contract are moved. For this to work, and with Dvorak gone, you need about 3mill of additional space. Byron may be on LTIR for a while, that is enough to start the season, after, you can work manage with additional LTIR or you do a trade in a more favorable terms. There is ZERO need to trade Hoffman with a 2nd round pick. If you need to pay to trade a player, that would be an Armia +3th or 4th at best.

Good point about Armia - I don't like the idea of trading away a 2nd just to dump a contract either, but at the same time if all our guys are healthy to start the season, then someone will have to go.

And if they are as keen on getting PLD as we think, then even more so of a reason to dump cap. I guess they could make a package of Dvo+Anderson for PLD which would solve enough of our cap issues to sign Dach+PLD, but I don't like giving up both those guys for PLD.

If we are to trade Anderson, I would rather use him in a separate deal somewhere else where he could fetch more

I don't like liquidating assets like that in the current situation the Habs are in.

I mean, if they're dead set on acquiring PLD and that's what they have to do in order to not only trade for him but to sign him to an extension.

I suppose I would, but that ultimately means you've traded

Dvorak, Hoffman, RHP, Ylonen, 2023 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick for PLD.

The aggregate of that trade isn't ideal.

hmmm yeah when you put it that way.

Maybe we should dump Armia instead. Would be cheaper to offload - maybe only a 3rd at worst we'd have to pay.

And as for PLD - I will eliminate RHP from that trade. Only because Ylonen is more valuable of a prospect IMO which would make it somewhat fair for WPG.

So whole trade is: Dvorak, Armia, Ylonen, FLA 2023 1st & 2024 3rd for PLD.

 

[waitin425]

Dvorak is trade fodder for the Dubois deal.

Dad, Hoff and Drouin are all TDL options for teams looking for a PP option come playoff time.

Allen could be an anytime trade, should a team hoping to contend loses a goalie to injury. If you are say St Louis and you lose Binnington. Or Tampa and you lose Vasi. Or Toronto and you come to your senses about goaltending....you may be prime to take a swing at Allen. Allen is a great chip to have.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dvo, Anderson, 2024 1st
PLD and M. Barron

 

[417]

Dvorak is trade fodder for the Dubois deal.

Dad, Hoff and Drouin are all TDL options for teams looking for a PP option come playoff time.

Allen could be an anytime trade, should a team hoping to contend loses a goalie to injury. If you are say St Louis and you lose Binnington. Or Tampa and you lose Vasi. Or Toronto and you come to your senses about goaltending....you may be prime to take a swing at Allen. Allen is a great chip to have.

I feel like Dvorak is a player that's well regarded around the league.

He's got a good contract, is strong on faceoffs and while he's got experience, he's also not old.

 

[Guy Larose]

Wasn't sure where to post this but ouch! lol

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Dvo, Anderson, 2024 1st
PLD and M. Barron

No way would I give up any firsts considering the team we're icing, even if it's in 2 years, you never know how bad we'll be. We definitely have assets worth a late first that we can include in a trade for PLD