HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Deleted member 257557]

The salary cap creates parity, and shows the GM's who don't have any brain power.
Habs fans know this first hand.

I wonder if the league has ever considered some sort of cap relief for players drafted by the org. Like a -20% cap hit or something if a player plays with the team that drafted them, or a max cap hit like no more than x$, the rest is free (does not count on the cap).

I always feel the worst situation is a team having so much success at drafting and developing players they can no longer pay their own players In their prime.

It would encourage player development and players wanting to stay with the team that drafted them for $$$ incentives. Once traded, or as ufa the salary counts in full.

 

[Destopcorner]

Encouraging to see some of those quotes from Jets fans. PLD was certainly a beast vs Toronto when Columbus upset the Leafs in the bubble.

I still have concerns that he'll look for an out when things don't go well for him. My other concern is the price tag to acquire him when he's an offensively limited player as well as the timing. I mentioned before that I liken this to Toronto getting Kessel before they were ready to contend and it just put them in no man's land (borderline playoff team) for several years before they had to tear it down again and rebuild.

Offensively limited 25/30 goal scoring center... all that before his 24th birthday. Common man. This guy wants to play here more than anyone in the league, how can people not see that? He will give everything for this team, no worries. That kind of young veteran is exactly what we need, not more drafts picks who have 1 chance in 100 to become him......

 

[yianik]

That's a bad take. MB was not the only one who had Glass rated high. The entire league valued him high including our fan base.

This is true.

We knew Patches was on his way out and we wanted a young C with top 6 potential so we had threads full of targets. Glass was up there and Vegas fans thought he was untouchable. Flyer fans told us to pound sand over Morgan Frost, same from Florida on Borgstrom. The Blues fans refused proposals for a Patches for Robert Thomas.

I was thrilled getting Suzuki as I had wanted him in the draft, enough to want to move up to get him. But of the 4 kids people proposed we target, only 1 of them turned out as a guy to have been a good get, Thomas. The other 3, not so much.. So yeah, you need smarts, but also a touch of luck.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Offensively limited 25/30 goal scoring center... all that before his 24th birthday. Common man. This guy wants to play here more than anyone in the league, how can people not see that? He will give everything for this team, no worries. That kind of young veteran is exactly what we need, not more drafts picks who have 1 chance in 100 to become him......

He's going to cost a lot more than draft picks. I'm betting we'll need to give up at least one player we really don't want to trade (e.g. Guehle, Caufield) as well as other pieces including possibly Florida's 1st. Also we're getting the later part of his pre-UFA salary. He's going to command huge cap space or else leave another organization in his eternal quest for greener pastures.

Shortcuts keep rebuilding teams in no man's land.

 

[blarneylad]

This is true.

We knew Patches was on his way out and we wanted a young C with top 6 potential so we had threads full of targets. Glass was up there and Vegas fans thought he was untouchable. Flyer fans told us to pound sand over Morgan Frost, same from Florida on Borgstrom. The Blues fans refused proposals for a Patches for Robert Thomas.

I was thrilled getting Suzuki as I had wanted him in the draft, enough to want to move up to get him. But of the 4 kids people proposed we target, only 1 of them turned out as a guy to have been a good get, Thomas. The other 3, not so much.. So yeah, you need smarts, but also a touch of luck.

I remember a FLA fan who relentlessly told us that Heponiemi and Borgstrom were untouchables

 

[Runner77]

The root of Calgary's downfall was when Treliving ghosted Bergevin at the GM meetings a few years ago when MB was coming out and Treliving was going in.

We all have Bergevin PTSD on this forum, it seems.

 

[Milhouse40]

no way. Not giving up a 2nd to trade a contract during the rebuild and not giving up an unprotected 1st for PLD. If we were close to contending that would be different but the new rebuild just started.

I suggest you listened to that long podcast interview Jeff Goton did yesterday.......I don't think he thinks the new rebuild just started....

 

[Runner77]

Offensively limited 25/30 goal scoring center... all that before his 24th birthday. Common man.

 

[xposbrad]

We would be hitting the jackpot if we drafted a PLD with the Florida 1st. It's highly unlikely to be a lottery pick.

Also PLD is 1 year older than Suzuki. He can be part of the rebuild.

I know even with PLD we are not a good team but he does improve us. You also don't bring in 30G scorers while you are rebuilding though and still need to get more 1st line potential guys in your system. The point of a rebuild is to suck and get a high draft pick. There are some teams who are used to finishing middle of the pack, and are never quite bad enough to get consecutive high picks. That was us the last 25 years. Can we please end that cycle? We need to get a top 5 pick next year, and the following year a top 10 pick. PLD will be available in 2 years, if not, every year there are always other options when we are actually ready (RFA/FA/unhappy players).

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I think we all understand that now, actually.

 

[Runner77]

I think we all understand that now, actually.

Is Strickland only finding that out now? Where was he on UFA Frenzy day when Pacioretty was given away just to create cap room?

 

[Milhouse40]

I know even with PLD we are not a good team but he does improve us. You also don't bring in 30G scorers while you are rebuilding though and still need to get more 1st line potential guys in your system. The point of a rebuild is to suck and get a high draft pick. There are some teams who are used to finishing middle of the pack, and are never quite bad enough to get consecutive high picks. That was us the last 25 years. Can we please end that cycle? We need to get a top 5 pick next year, and the following year a top 10 pick. PLD will be available in 2 years, if not, every year there are always other options when we are actually ready (RFA/FA/unhappy players).

That's so wrong....

The point of a rebuild is to get away from your core players and get new core players.
It doesn't matter one bit if you get those new pieces through trade, ufa or draft....and you get them when you have the chance to, not when you're good and ready to do it.

Is Dubois a core player......that's the question I can't answer, I'm not sure he is but he's pretty close.
The point of finishing in the bottom 5 is to maybe get a core a player....MAYBE, don't see the value in passing on the chance to get a core player because you'll fall a couple of spots in the draft and MAYBE miss on another core player.

NYR were right in the middle of their rebuild when they gave up 1st, 2nd, 3rd and prospect to get Trouba and Fox, plus they gave a golden contract to Panarin.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Depends how much you’d value a pick that is most likely going to be in the last third of the first round in 2023. Is that late 2023 pick going to be worth more than say an earlier 2024 pick?

2023 is a generational draft for the first 8-10 picks as I understand it. Is there anything exceptional about picks 11-32?

It's all abstract at this point. No one knows how well they'll do next season, how well other teams will etc. My understanding of the 2023 draft now is that it's not only full of top end talent in the top 10, but throughout the draft. Might have to do with covid not effecting them etc. and more scouting reports. I don't know. But the 2023 draft has been seen as a top end draft for a few years now and I haven't heard boo about 2024.

So my logic is we'll probably not be very good next season but should be better 2023 moving forward. Florida has lost a lot of talent while the rest of the East has loaded up. So if there's a year to have 2 or more picks, it's probably 2023, so giving a 24 pick from another team, acquired from a trade, might be the best solution to offering a 1st to the Jets that the Habs don't want to relinquish.

Could this be the worst possible move in the future? Absolutely, but all things being equal right now, it's what I'd do if I had to get a 1st to trade away.

 

[Destopcorner]

I know even with PLD we are not a good team but he does improve us. You also don't bring in 30G scorers while you are rebuilding though and still need to get more 1st line potential guys in your system. The point of a rebuild is to suck and get a high draft pick. There are some teams who are used to finishing middle of the pack, and are never quite bad enough to get consecutive high picks. That was us the last 25 years. Can we please end that cycle? We need to get a top 5 pick next year, and the following year a top 10 pick. PLD will be available in 2 years, if not, every year there are always other options when we are actually ready (RFA/FA/unhappy players).

Thank god Hugo is in charge. It's not a total rebuild as proven by Dach move would you agree? Young nhlers already developed are 100 time more valuable than picks. There is no ''we need to finish top 5''.... THat's not how it works. You get better when you can, especially for one if not the best young local player in the league...

 

[Archijerej]

He's going to cost a lot more than draft picks. I'm betting we'll need to give up at least one player we really don't want to trade (e.g. Guehle, Caufield)

I want him badly, but we shouldn't do that. Our purpose should be to strenghten our future core, not to reshuffle it.

I think there's a middle ground here between trading one of Suzuki/Caufield/Slafkovsky/Guhle and thinking Christian Dvorak can be the main part of the deal from our side.

 

[Archijerej]

The Jets are in Win Now mode. They have a 2 year window. They want a star centre back, otherwise their window is closed and they'll be forced to rebuild early. If the Jets could just sign Kadri...

I'm pretty sure the rest of the league, when contemplating trading for Dubois, doesn't give much of a toss about Jets wanting a star center. No one is going to offer them one. The closest the Jets can get is if they take a shot at Dach's potential, or a similar player.

 

[CaptainKirk]

I'm pretty sure the rest of the league, when contemplating trading for Dubois, doesn't give much of a toss about Jets wanting a star center. No one is going to offer them one. The closest the Jets can get is if they take a shot at Dach's potential, or a similar player.

Right, I was just replying to a poster that suggested trading Dvorak for a 1st, then flipping that pick to the Peg. They might prefer a star but they'd rather have a Dvorak than picks.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I'm pretty sure the rest of the league, when contemplating trading for Dubois, doesn't give much of a toss about Jets wanting a star center. No one is going to offer them one. The closest the Jets can get is if they take a shot at Dach's potential, or a similar player.

Also, why would you trade your star center for Dubois, who you hope will be a star center?

 

[CaptainKirk]

Also, why would you trade your star center for Dubois, who you hope will be a star center?

At minimum, they'll need a #2 centre in return

 

[26Mats]

I know even with PLD we are not a good team but he does improve us. You also don't bring in 30G scorers while you are rebuilding though and still need to get more 1st line potential guys in your system. The point of a rebuild is to suck and get a high draft pick. There are some teams who are used to finishing middle of the pack, and are never quite bad enough to get consecutive high picks. That was us the last 25 years. Can we please end that cycle? We need to get a top 5 pick next year, and the following year a top 10 pick. PLD will be available in 2 years, if not, every year there are always other options when we are actually ready (RFA/FA/unhappy players).

1. We can make other moves to ensure we suck next year.

2. No guarantee we get Dubous in 2 years. A bird in hand is sometimes better than 2 in the bush.

 

[BaseballCoach]

no way. Not giving up a 2nd to trade a contract during the rebuild .....

For Gallagher or Price, yeah, not for the shorter ones that provide some on-ice value for something not that far from the CAP hit.

The problem is, both those guys have No Trade Clauses.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

Some of you guys wanted more for Toffoli than you’re willing to pay for PLD loll seems fair.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I know even with PLD we are not a good team but he does improve us. You also don't bring in 30G scorers while you are rebuilding though and still need to get more 1st line potential guys in your system. The point of a rebuild is to suck and get a high draft pick.

Ummmm.. no.

The point of a high draft pick is to get a goodplayerm but when you need 5 good players, youy are best to get them as soon as you can, even if it means drafting Wright or Makar or Brady T. at #4 instead of Slaf or Hischier or Dahlen at #1

 

[CaptainKirk]

Some of you guys wanted more for Toffoli than you’re willing to pay for PLD loll seems fair.

The main reason the Habs are interested in him now as opposed to last year is that his value has been potentially reduced. We're in no position at this point in a rebuild to trade Suzuki or Ghule and multiple futures for 1 player. Why not trade all of that for another star player? Because we'd have to pay full value. If he can be had for less, you make the deal. If not, you wait.

 

[Habsfan18]

Offensively limited 25/30 goal scoring center... all that before his 24th birthday. Common man.

Common man, you say?