HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[Harry Kakalovich]

I wonder what happens if Chevaldayoff refuses to trade Dubois cause there is no offer he likes. Does Dubois return to that dressing room after all the drama he’s made himself a part of?

Or maybe, Dubois will fit right into the dysfunction that is the Jets dressing room.

If Dubois signs with the Jets and shows up to camp the players won't care. It was all a negotiation tactic and it's a business after all. Teammates block most of that out.

 

[SlafySZN]

They knew Petry was going

Everyone knew petry wasnt gonna be a hab for very long haha. Easy to say oh he’s going to detroit, no he’s going to dallas oh no maybe another US team.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He won't. Which is why I wouldn't offer anymore than above

He won't stay. No point offering anything.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

LOL, just LOL. That is dreaming. "Pretty much guaranteed" would mean, what, 85-90% chance? Life doesn't work that way. I think it is more like 5%.

Dubois is a nice piece to have, not a messiah. But if we want the nice piece, we make an affordable offer now. Simple as that.

Dach as centerpiece is affordable, if there is no top-2 round pick attached. Dach on top of 1st rounder plus X? I pass.

I think you're actually overvaluing him. What the Jets want is ludicrous. The reports are Suzuki or Caufield? In no way am I (if I'm Hugo) giving up any KEY young piece to trade for someone that WILL test free agency in 2 years. For all we know, even if Habs get him, he'll still want to test FA to up his value as a negotiating tactic as Habs would be even more desperate to sign him as they previously gave up key pieces to acquire such a player. If I'm the Habs brass, I ultimately take my chances with him in FA or trade for him in a year when his value significantly decreases as hell only be a 1 year rental instead of 2

 

[blarneylad]

I doubt Calgary is going to tear down the whole team and start from scratch, they'll probably try and stay competitive even without Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

Still some good names on the market that could help depending on cap space. Ie Nino or Kadri

 

[ReHabs]

I doubt Anderson has Calgary on his NTC.

Anderson + Drouin (Cap Dump) + Dach + FLA 1st should be good enough to get us Mathew Tkachuk... if we want him...

I think getting a C is a bigger priority than a W but clearly Hughes didn't think so considering he drafted Slafkovsky and not Cooley or Wright.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I think you're actually overvaluing him. What the Jets want is ludicrous. The reports are Suzuki or Caufield? In no way am I (if I'm Hugo) giving up any KEY young ice to trade for someone that WILL test free agency in 2 years. For all we know, even if Habs get him, he'll still want to test FA to up his value as a negotiating tactic as Habs would be even more desperate to sign him as they previously gave up key pieces to acquire such a player. If I'm the Habs brass, I ultimately take my chances with him in FA or trade for him in a year when his value significantly decreases as hell only be a 1 year rental instead of 2

Thats never going to happen. Suzuki has cost certainty for 8 years, a year younger, has proven he can contribute in the playoffs, has been praised as a leader, and put up as many points as Dubois despite playing behind a drowning team the first 41 games last season. It’s just insulting for people to think we would even consider trading Suzuki for Dubois at this point. They aren’t even on the same level right now.

 

[ReHabs]

Still some good names on the market that could help depending on cap space. Ie Nino or Kadri

If I'm Calgary and I have to sell Tkachuk I'd get as much as I could in return and sign Nino. Kadri is a big risk, I wouldn't give him more than 7.5 x 5.

They'll be a playoff team next year and after next year they'll lose Monahan and Lucic and have more space.

 

[Tyson]

I doubt Anderson has Calgary on his NTC.

Anderson + Drouin (Cap Dump) + Dach + FLA 1st should be good enough to get us Mathew Tkachuk... if we want him...

I think getting a C is a bigger priority than a W but clearly Hughes didn't think so considering he drafted Slafkovsky and not Cooley or Wright.

American players are shying away from playing in Canada since the Covid pandemic.
Habs need to start looking at that when drafting players in the future.

 

[ReHabs]

Too many wingers and no quality centres for either slafs or Tkachuk to play with then
Wouldn’t want Dvorak play the middle with either one of them
Centre Is a way bigger need Get Dubois

Tkachuk is another tier of player to Dubois, to be fair.

 

[dinodebino]

It's freaking strange man. So much about his young career has been strange.

It’s a very old example but it might be the Goulet example. Dubois wanted to be drafted by Mtl (who tried hard to get him according to Timmins himself), got drafted by Columbus, never wanted to go there, got traded to Winnipeg, never wanted to go there, and only wanted to play for Mtl.

We tey to justify an American player wanting to play in his homeland, why does it seem childish for a Quebecker to ask the same?

He should have done the Goulet ultimatum at the draft table. Everything would have been settled then.

 

[BLONG7]

I wonder what happens if Chevaldayoff refuses to trade Dubois cause there is no offer he likes. Does Dubois return to that dressing room after all the drama he’s made himself a part of?

Or maybe, Dubois will fit right into the dysfunction that is the Jets dressing room.

The Jets room, has been the talk the last few years..........it was once Kane, and then it became Scheifele, and now Wheeler etc
Can't see the guys being very welcoming to PLD and his agents quotes, on where they want to be traded to.

If I was Chevy, make the best deal you can get, and see if Hughes will participate.......if not, we wait two years, and if he plays well, he gets paid, as a UFA that summer.........................which might make more sense for us....

 

[Kosseca]

That's a fair assessment, but the Habs lack the cap space to sign him. Winnipeg isn't taking one of Montreal's garbage contracts back like Gallagher or Armia (who they dealt to Habs) or Byron or Drouin or Hoffman ect. The Habs will have to trade a roster player back to the Jets to make the necessary cap space to sign Dubois. To sign Dubois they're probably going to have to make $7M or so of cap space. They have just under $250K of space according to capfriendly.com. If Price goes on LTIR it will help, but that hasn't happened yet and they still need to sign Dach. I'm guessing someone like Anderson and/or Dvorak will have to go the other way.

You also metioned that Winnipeg should expect a rental type return, which for a guy like Dubois would be a 1st rounder, a good prospect, and possibly another pick/prospect/player. I'd be very surprised if a 1st, high end prospect, and good/solid roster player isn't included in a deal with Montreal. I also think that other teams would be willing to risk a rental return for him even if he only signs a two year deal with them. If the team that lands him offers a big money 8 year deal, I'd be surprised if he walked away to sign in Montreal. Especially if the Habs aren't in a position to match that hypothetical deal.

I'm not against acquiring Dubois. I just don't believe it's going to be a bargain like some are suggesting.

I think a reasonable deal here would be Dvorak, Flo 1st (conditional) and a B tier prospect. MTL would still have cap issue, but keeping Byron on LTIR and/or trading some one like Armia with a pick would clear the room needed.

I dont think though that Winnipeg can expect a deal that will bring more high profile asset like Ghule or our own 1st.

 

[waffledave]

American players are shying away from playing in Canada since the Covid pandemic.
Habs need to start looking at that when drafting players in the future.

Politics will start playing a factor more in decisions about where to play for some players. The crisis with women's reproductive rights in the US is definitely going to lead to some players avoiding certain states.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think a reasonable deal here would be Dvorak, Flo 1st (conditional) and a B tier prospect. MTL would still have cap issue, but keeping Byron on LTIR and/or trading some one like Armia with a pick would clear the room needed.

I dont think though that Winnipeg can expect a deal that will bring more high profile asset like Ghule or our own 1st.

Dvorak averages about 10 points less per 80 games than Dubois, and is way better in the dot. He is 26, signed 3 uyars or only $4.4M. Why would a first round pick be needed to bridge the value gap? Is ther even a value gap if Dubois commands UFA type salary? And then a B prospecct too??

 

[OldCraig71]

Molson would love to get Dubois from a business standpoint, to have the ability to market a good french player has to be very enticing for him. We don't really need him right now because of the status of this team but I understand why they would do it.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Molson would love to get Dubois from a business standpoint, to have the ability to market a good french player has to be very enticing for him. We don't really need him right now because of the status of this team but I understand why they would do it.

Matheson speaks French very well and Dubois speaks English perfectly but the name is all that matters it seems.

 

[Expos94]

Minor disagreement with you on Drouin.....if he plays to a 50+ point pace for the first half and we offer to retain %50 on him at the TDL.....I want at minimum a 1st round pick in return. I'm thinking Toffoli or Lehk level trade return. 1st + B Prospect or A prospect + 2nd.

This is the route I feel management is going to take . They definitely will not re sign him no matter what. Let's just hope he plays with some motivation and some team trying to sneak in bites

 

[DAChampion]

Management cannot simultaneously maximize the trade value of all impending UFA and develop the rookies. The coaching staff has to pick one priority.

Drouin will likely play on the third or fourth line, and the Habs might get a 4th rounder at the deadline.

 

[OldCraig71]

Matheson speaks French very well and Dubois speaks English perfectly but the name is all that matters it seems.

Listen to the public address announcer at the Bell center after a goal from Drouin or formerly Danault, it matters.

 

[jrom]

I doubt Anderson has Calgary on his NTC.

Anderson + Drouin (Cap Dump) + Dach + FLA 1st should be good enough to get us Mathew Tkachuk... if we want him...

I think getting a C is a bigger priority than a W but clearly Hughes didn't think so considering he drafted Slafkovsky and not Cooley or Wright.

Come on, you draft BPA and then you trade to address (positional) needs.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

The agent used Montreal to get the effect he wanted, which was pressure to move PLD to a team where he will sign a long term contract. That's his job.

Why the hell are people still spouting this? That's obviously not what's happening.

 

[eklund the clown]

If you were Hughes, which contract would you move out next?

Anyone of the deadwood or bad contracts .Price,Armia,Hoffman,Gally,Dvorak.Drouin the list goes on and on.Problem is teams don't have cap space and nobody wants these guys .You could probably put most of them on waivers and no team would claim them.Gm's are just not that stupid.

 

[jrom]

Molson would love to get Dubois from a business standpoint, to have the ability to market a good french player has to be very enticing for him. We don't really need him right now because of the status of this team but I understand why they would do it.

Spot on. Also would rather have PLD then Drouin or Samuel Girard has “local” star.

 

[CaptainKirk]

I think getting a C is a bigger priority than a W but clearly Hughes didn't think so considering he drafted Slafkovsky and not Cooley or Wright.

Hughes had at least 1 maybe 2 trades lined up for Cs on Draft Day.