HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[le_sean]

I do too but Jets Fans don't, and it's going to be hard to sell them on the fact that they turned Patrick Laine into Christian Dvorak.

I think if that was the trade, it would have happened by now

He wouldn’t be the only piece obviously. I’d imagine it’s trying to figure out the cap on both sides. Montreal likely has to move more money first.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I do too but Jets Fans don't, and it's going to be hard to sell them on the fact that they turned Patrick Laine into Christian Dvorak.

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

 

[le_sean]

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

I want the Habs to really hose them on this deal to see Jets fans go nuts. First swept, then take a star player. Of course lots of francophone Habs fans in the Winnipeg area too. It’ll be like the Sens rivalry - little brother syndrome.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Unlikely? Why?
Then Dubois will be the biggest heel in Quebec

Why? Because in the next two years it is highly likely that either the Jets trade him elsewhere and he signs long term (because in reality no 24-26 year old player eliminates all but one team from his career plans), or the Habs fill their top two lines and have less place for him (because no team keeps a place open two years in advance for a guy who is not under their control yet).

 

[themilosh]

I'm pretty sure I read he wanted Glass and they said no and it eventually became Suzuki.

and MB wanting Glass (his yes men incl) just illustrates how BAD they were at scouting talent.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I meant league wide

It should be like last deadline. I was talking about both the Habs situation and other teams that could be sellers. Those teams usually have some wiggle room in the cap.

Depends on injuries and many factors. Supply and Demand is always a factor and prices were very high last year. GM's might steer clear from buying this time around like it was last year. Hard to say for sure

 

[CHarlie]

I wonder if Glass just needs a change of scenery......I would definitely take a buy low on him if he was available

 

[Habs Halifax]

and MB wanting Glass (his yes men incl) just illustrates how BAD they were at scouting talent.

That's a bad take. MB was not the only one who had Glass rated high. The entire league valued him high including our fan base.

 

[themilosh]

Why? Because in the next two years it is highly likely that either the Jets trade him elsewhere and he signs long term (because in reality no 24-26 year old player eliminates all but one team from his career plans), or the Habs fill their top two lines and have less place for him (because no team keeps a place open two years in advance for a guy who is not under their control yet).

this is what fellow fans aren't understanding. If we don't get him now, it won't happen in 2 years. PLD has gone all out to get to the Habs (will most likely sign a friendly 7x7) to solidify our 1A 1B Centers for the next decade.

Yo PLD, sorry brah they wanted Barron as well (we just couldn't do it), we'll hit you up in 2 ok?..... Hugo

When was the last time a legit Star, who becomes a core piece to go with: CC, Suzuki, Slaf... in essence gives us an impeccable top 6, allowing Hugo to focus on D and G for the next 2 years? - and then bam! we are going to make Cup runs. I can't ever recall (even UFAs) who are desperate to play for the Habs!! this deserves our open arms.

 

[Runner77]

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

For you to come out guns ablazing like that, these people must have gotten to you in ways that no other fan base ever has.

Just when you thought that it was only the Jets’ dressing room that was dysfunctional.

 

[Saundies]

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

I'm in full agreement with that as well. Lots of them are mad at us cause we know the Habs have leverage and our hypothetical trade offers reflect that.

It's just hard to say. Does Chevaldayoff cut his losses with this one or does he stick it out?

 

[WinterLion]

PLD’s next contract is the least of my concerns. I’m just wary about what it’ll cost to get him now.

That too!!

 

[Runner77]

I'm in full agreement with that as well. Lots of them are mad at us cause we know the Habs have leverage and our hypothetical trade offers reflect that.

It's just hard to say. Does Chevaldayoff cut his losses with this one or does he stick it out?

I’m finding solace in knowing that Gorton has already sparred with Chevaldayoff over a similar matter, so Hughes is not likely to get suckered. Here’s hoping.

 

[SlafySZN]

Habs don’t do the Romanov for 13th deal if they didn’t have a deal set with Winnipeg if they really wanted PLD.

You think they just trade pieces around and then ask Winnipeg if it’s enough. No way. If PLD was truly their target , they would have had a deal already in place and not up in the air

Hughes said himself, he wanted Dach and Chicago was asking for picks so he went and found a team who wanted to trade their high pick. That’s the reason he went and get the 13th.

Dubois has nothing to do with it but some people close their ears and continue to think the deal was for him lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why? Because in the next two years it is highly likely that either the Jets trade him elsewhere and he signs long term (because in reality no 24-26 year old player eliminates all but one team from his career plans), or the Habs fill their top two lines and have less place for him (because no team keeps a place open two years in advance for a guy who is not under their control yet).

Pretty sure the Jets thought he would extend as well. You're overlooking the mutual connection of the Habs interested in Dubois and Dubois interested in the Habs. The only way Dubois forgets about Montreal is if he gets the feeling we don't want him and/or we are only willing to underpay him.

Dubois could get $8M from many teams including the Jets but if the Habs are willing to give him $7M or $7.5M, he's going to still want to force his way to UFA.

This is a unique situation and we are ignoring it. Why? Cause of the past where other players choose other teams.

 

[Adam Michaels]

For you to come out guns ablazing like that, these people must have gotten to you in ways that no other fan base ever has.

Just when you thought that it was only the Jets’ dressing room that was dysfunctional.

 

[FrankMTL]

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not saying he will do it. I feel like we should brace for the worst. It probably is the asking price from Winnipeg...

I feel we don't have to brace for the worse. We are not desperate for Dubois but we are interested and we are using our leverage well.

It's Gorton and Hughes that's running things now. I'm willing to bet $100 that we are not trading Guhle just after we flipped Romanov for Dach.

It's not Guhle that's in play. Maybe Dach. I don't care what their asking price is. We are only interested if it's a Trouba type situation and if some other team wants to give the Jets their asking price, let them. I have no doubt Chevy is trying this as we speak. The longer it goes, the worse it gets

The beauty in them not liking it is that they can kiss our ass.

Yeah, I've had some nasty stuff said to me from Jets fans. I agree, I don't care if they don't like it. We are only interested if it's a Trouba situation and a price we can afford.

Chevy created this situation with the hope Dubois would extend after he offered Laine and Rost. Blame Chevy, not the Habs. This is not personal, it's business.

 

[salbutera]

I do too but Jets Fans don't, and it's going to be hard to sell them on the fact that they turned Patrick Laine into Christian Dvorak.

I think if that was the trade, it would have happened by now

That's a bold, unsupported statement.

The “sell” is the “sum of parts” not player swap.

Moreover, as I posted previously, how much heat is Chevaldayoff facing from ownership for taking what looked like a perennial contender down the drain , and will that external pressure force him to make decisions he wouldn’t just 3-4 years ago? Chevaldayoff’s could very well be in MB’s position last summer right now…

There’s not many GM jobs that are available…

 

[Habs Halifax]

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I'm not saying he will do it. I feel like we should brace for the worst. It probably is the asking price from Winnipeg...

Or they can just wait 2 years. Trading for him this year makes no sense as Kent Hughes even admitted, Habs aren't competing this year. So then what about next year? At that point, why even give up good assets to acquire a player you'll probably get for free in a year. You can even use your assets like Dvorak, or Anderson to get pieces from other teams instead of giving them up for essentially nothing

 

[Takeru]

The odds can be estimated approximately as follows.

Assume that Florida's first will be somewhere between 6th and 24th place, which I think is generous. That's 19 spots.

For the drafts 2012-2017, that's six drafts or 114 draft picks, how many of those would be more desirable than Dubois?

That gives the approximate odds of getting a better player than Dubois.

Thing is, FLA 1st pick has value not only in the odds of a better or closely equivalent player to Dubois.
It's also a cost-controlled asset for a whole ELC + initial RFA deal.
In today's league, that's not negligible value and has to be factored in, especially considering our cap situation.

Not a dealbreaker personnally but I'd try to avoid including it in the package.

 

[Guy Larose]

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[Habs Halifax]

I do too but Jets Fans don't, and it's going to be hard to sell them on the fact that they turned Patrick Laine into Christian Dvorak.

I think if that was the trade, it would have happened by now

That's a bold, unsupported statement.

That's on Chevy for offering Laine and Rost thinking they can convince Dubois to stay.

Fans can say what they want and get into trade wars but Hughes and Gorton need to stay calm. Don't get into wars and hold the line... the line being we are interested but at a price we can afford based on the Habs rebuilding and salary in needs to match salary out.

Panthers 1st, and Kidney. Contracts like Dvorak and pick one from Dadonov, Hoffman, Armia, Byron, Drouin.

I might possibly have Eddy in play but the package changes.

 

[salbutera]

I’m finding solace in knowing that Gorton has already sparred with Chevaldayoff over a similar matter, so Hughes is not likely to get suckered. Here’s hoping.

Chevaldayoff’s so f*cked, even during l’affaire Trouba neither player or agent ever stated publicly his only location would be NYC, it was all press / web leaks..