Confirmed with Link: Trade: Pierre-Luc Dubois to Washington for Darcy Kuemper… the trade is one for one
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We literally just traded the exact same thing away
ArmadilloThumb
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Roughly $13M plus Oshie LTIR if that happens less CMM and Beck re-ups. So potentially $13M ish...
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I like it.
We will look back on this trade as a winner.
We will look back on this trade as a winner.
I’m fine with it, I can see the upside at least. Might not work, but if it doesn’t then we’ll just suck like we were going to suck anyway so…that’s cool
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So we can still go big fish bidding in FA for a winger. JG would like nice on his wing
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Trading Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, and a 1st meant that Dubois would have to REALLY exceed expectations in LA for the trade to not be looked on negatively. Trading a backup goalie for the same player means that even if he's already peaked, you didn't sell the farm for him. I hope he's better for you guys than he was for us in LA, but I can't say I'm sad to see him go.
BMac is a clown and this team is doomed to mediocrity for a decade at least.
Under no circumstances do I want to see Leonsis get the Nats.
Under no circumstances do I want to see Leonsis get the Nats.
Ovechkins Wodka
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Who else was going to take Dracy and not take our propsects or picks? Atleast we got a young center who will play everynight for our backup goalie who has a awful contract.
Take his contract out of it and its a nice trade.
ugh.. lots of initial thoughts...
- Dont hate getting rid of keumper.. didnt like the deal when they signed it and it never worked out.
- Nervous about giving Chucks more of a role. Really like the guy and think hes a serviceable dude. Not sure he's a full on starter.
- that PLD contract is tough to swallow..
- what does it mean for CMC or Lappy? one to wing? or one on way out?
initial reaction is I don't like this.
- Dont hate getting rid of keumper.. didnt like the deal when they signed it and it never worked out.
- Nervous about giving Chucks more of a role. Really like the guy and think hes a serviceable dude. Not sure he's a full on starter.
- that PLD contract is tough to swallow..
- what does it mean for CMC or Lappy? one to wing? or one on way out?
initial reaction is I don't like this.
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You’re being “attacked” because you’ve done nothing but make blanket statements and become an echo chamber of the same complaints, including the GM doing nothing. Now that the GM indeed makes a move, you still are in the thread responding to everyone saying how bad this move is. We get it, you don’t like the GM and don’t like the move. It’s ridiculous to be doing a victory lap over a move made on June 19th, before the new league year has even started. There’s A LOT of time left before the season starts for more moves to be made.Crazy you have to defend GMBM by attacking me
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I would think we could have gotten rid of Keumper relatively cheap if you retained 50%.
Buy him out. At least you can use some cap space for upgrades. Not taking on even more cap for a younger/worse version of Kuznetsov for another SEVEN YEARS.
For over 8 million he needs to be a 75+ point guy who plays some D. Otherwise he's just another bad contract.
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I don’t really love the trade but Kuemper was really bad last year and would be a tough sell to get rid of.
I also anticipate one of Lappy/CMC being used in a deal to add another solid piece on the wing. Hopefully not Laine
I also anticipate one of Lappy/CMC being used in a deal to add another solid piece on the wing. Hopefully not Laine
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ArmadilloThumb
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Or a D. May depend on what they expect Leonard to do.
I suspect they bought CapFriendly and their STAFF so they can run Machine Learning and Predictive Analysis on the data to help them make future signing decisions and particularly in helping target other teams as trade partners. Should give them real insight to how desperate the Cap situation is for other teams in negotiations and help maximize deal making.
Dude is .06 ppg better than Mantha while being not as good defensively and paid 3 million a year more for 7 years longer with a NMC. This is a disaster trade.
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I would not want to trade either of them at this point.
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We need to stop lumping Jimi and CMM together.
I would be all for trading CMM for a goal scorer, and agree, not Laine. Konecny would be my top choice.
Can we go live?
I have NEVER advocated for such a god awful move. There isn’t a single reason you can call this trade a better move VS signing the lines of Reinhart or Guentzel. Or a move for Necas or Ehlers etc etc etc.
Ill step in and go on record saying i actually really like the dynamics on this trade.
Getting rid of Darcys contract weighs in a lot for me. He was washed up here (hope he gets back to form with a change) and just waste of cap space.
We added 3,5 mills of cap space while acquiring a 25 year old player who should be good enough for top6, 20+40. Upgrades the roster immediately. There was no free agent or trade target who would have been avaivable without giving significant assets and more cap space in short term.
And that comes with the risk we all recognize. It also comes with potential upside noone likes to mention. Dubois is very talented, and most of 25 year olds havent got it all figured out yet. Ill give him a chance before ill start throwing stones.
And what goes down if Dubois fails like everyone expects him to? Its a long contract for sure, but i have no clear vision what Caps
were going to look like after Ovie hangs em up. The vision isnt much of clearer now, but i think we atleast can see this move as some sort of line in the sands. We are putting a lot of our chips in the middle here. If Dubois succees here we dont need to go down the hard way, but can rebuild on the fly. If he fails, who cares about his contract years 4-7, as we are going to suck hard those years anyways.
Meanwhile he is an upgrade for our top6 for next year and ill just take that for now. Short term we get better. Long term its high risk high reward. Keep evaluating this trade year by year, i guess. And it costed us nothing atleast
Getting rid of Darcys contract weighs in a lot for me. He was washed up here (hope he gets back to form with a change) and just waste of cap space.
We added 3,5 mills of cap space while acquiring a 25 year old player who should be good enough for top6, 20+40. Upgrades the roster immediately. There was no free agent or trade target who would have been avaivable without giving significant assets and more cap space in short term.
And that comes with the risk we all recognize. It also comes with potential upside noone likes to mention. Dubois is very talented, and most of 25 year olds havent got it all figured out yet. Ill give him a chance before ill start throwing stones.
And what goes down if Dubois fails like everyone expects him to? Its a long contract for sure, but i have no clear vision what Caps
were going to look like after Ovie hangs em up. The vision isnt much of clearer now, but i think we atleast can see this move as some sort of line in the sands. We are putting a lot of our chips in the middle here. If Dubois succees here we dont need to go down the hard way, but can rebuild on the fly. If he fails, who cares about his contract years 4-7, as we are going to suck hard those years anyways.
Meanwhile he is an upgrade for our top6 for next year and ill just take that for now. Short term we get better. Long term its high risk high reward. Keep evaluating this trade year by year, i guess. And it costed us nothing atleast
